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  1. # Session Start: Thu Apr 19 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:04] <mszola> thanks, Pomax, I just had to move it somewhere it could be publically accessed.
  4. # [00:04] <mszola> http://zolaweb.com/canvas_test.html
  5. # [00:04] <mszola> firefox works. Chrome and Safari quit halfway through.
  6. # [00:05] <mszola> This is just a straight-up animation with slices from a single pic
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  8. # [00:06] <Pomax> tried to jsfiddle reproduce it?
  9. # [00:06] <mszola> what's jsfiddle? I just started working with canvas, so...
  10. # [00:07] <Pomax> jsfiddle.net
  11. # [00:07] <theCole> jsfiddle is a code sharing tool
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  13. # [00:07] <mszola> I'm reading the docs.
  14. # [00:07] <Pomax> there's not much to explain really
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  16. # [00:08] <Pomax> type html in html box, css in css box, js in js box
  17. # [00:08] <Pomax> and if you need specific libraries, there's a pulldown with some of the more popular ones, and you can also add your own by uploading it (or linking it)
  18. # [00:09] <Pomax> it's great for full page demonstrators and questions, because rather than "A pastebin" it actually runs, and is very clean in its separation
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  20. # [00:09] <Pomax> I can tell you that http://zolaweb.com/jquery.easing.1.3.js does not resolve. If you rely on that, might want to fix that
  21. # [00:09] <mszola> Will it flag errors even if there aren't any showing in firebug/web developer?
  22. # [00:10] <Pomax> not necessarily, but reducing your code to a minimal failing example is an almost foolproof way of finding out what's wrong because usually you discover the problem in the process of reducing, and if you don't your code is usually lean enough for others to just look at and go "aha! here's your problem"
  23. # [00:10] <Pomax> foolproof and failproof, and I actually should have typed the latter >_>
  24. # [00:11] <mszola> Well, the code is stripped already due to it just being a test page, it's one function with minimal html. Still, I'll try it, it certainly won't hurt.
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  27. # [00:13] <Pomax> and it makes it easier for others to read
  28. # [00:13] <mszola> runs in jfiddle
  29. # [00:13] <mszola> http://jsfiddle.net/XBZhv/
  30. # [00:13] <mszola> no errors
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  32. # [00:15] <Pomax> is it supposed to stop after about 7 seconds?
  33. # [00:15] <Pomax> 7000ms.. looks right
  34. # [00:15] <mszola> yes
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  36. # [00:17] <Pomax> I'd recommend adding the doctype
  37. # [00:17] <mszola> jsfiddle said not to
  38. # [00:17] <mszola> the original doctype is strict
  39. # [00:17] <Pomax> oh, no you shouldn't need it on jsfiddle.
  40. # [00:17] <Pomax> strict 4.01?
  41. # [00:17] <mszola> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
  42. # [00:18] <Pomax> right. except html4.01 doesn't have canvas
  43. # [00:18] <Pomax> so you want <!doctype html>
  44. # [00:18] <mszola> LOL I am an utter noob with Canvas.
  45. # [00:19] <mszola> okay.
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  49. # [00:20] <tw2113> everyone is at first
  50. # [00:20] <mszola> This is promising--the animation I put on my own page is now working right...
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  53. # [00:23] <mszola> it's still quitting in chrome. Is it possible it's using too much memory?
  54. # [00:23] <Pomax> unlikely. if it works fine in jsfiddle, start from there
  55. # [00:24] <Pomax> start with some http://hastebin.com/yuqamopige.xml ?
  56. # [00:25] <Pomax> then slowly build it back out for as long as it works
  57. # [00:25] <mszola> I wonder if it has something to do with that vierwport command...
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  60. # [00:27] <mszola> it's still crapping out.
  61. # [00:28] <mszola> stops after about 3 seconds
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  166. # [02:34] <Rndnick> hi
  167. # [02:34] <Rndnick> how to center a section mid screen
  168. # [02:35] <Rndnick> im not sure the difference section and div :S
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  212. # [04:15] <mindpwned> hi guys sorry if i was an obnoxious ass last time i was in here
  213. # [04:15] <mindpwned> but i have a question
  214. # [04:16] <mindpwned> can html5 do anything for me to keep iframes from affecting the browsers back button - something like sandbox only for history
  215. # [04:16] <mindpwned> location.replace not an option - i can't control the iframe's content
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  234. # [05:05] <mshepanski> Anyone here know of a good *scrolling* linechart I can use?
  235. # [05:06] <mshepanski> I remember seeing one in a loggly demo last year (the line would fluidly scroll left as more data was added)
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  238. # [05:06] <PKKid> woops got logged off there
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  297. # [06:35] <Cat4D> caniuse -- can you make the table time based please
  298. # [06:35] <caniuse> Cat4D: You can use CSS Table display with Internet Explorer 8, Firefox 2, Chrome 4, Safari 3.1, Opera 9, iOS Safari 3.2, Opera Mini 5.0-6.0, and Opera Mobile 10. http://caniuse.com/#search=css-table
  299. # [06:35] <dr0id> did you make caniuse.com ?
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  472. # [11:11] <mokush> why isn't knockoutjs.com more popular?
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  475. # [11:18] <tw2113> because it hasn't knocked sense into everyone yet?
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  480. # [11:22] <mnemoc> hi, do you know a framework like twitter's bootstrap but not relying in js for the css? (client-side .less compiling)
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  509. # [12:26] <Trisox> where looking for a junior / senior web developer in the netherlands any one intrested? pm me
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  530. # [13:00] <sunbeam> i just created a quick temporary under construction site with form. in all browsers view is equal except for ipad
  531. # [13:00] <sunbeam> the width is 530px so that should be the issue
  532. # [13:00] <sunbeam> does anyone know where i could best look at debugging this?
  533. # [13:00] <sunbeam> the font should (conditionally) be 12px for tablets and smartphones, and then everything will display ok
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  584. # [14:17] <grantg> hey, I need people to review the code at https://github.com/grantgalitz/JS-Image-Resizer/blob/master/resize.js
  585. # [14:17] <grantg> Just added another algo to it
  586. # [14:17] <grantg> so that downscaling and upscaling use two completely different algos
  587. # [14:18] <grantg> the downscaling is not the run of the mill interpolation, but a custom one that doesn't artifact like bi-linear
  588. # [14:18] <grantg> the upscaling one is new, and is an optimized bi-linear two pass
  589. # [14:20] <grantg> People might actually want to use them, as this script can obtain better quality than the canvas2d scaling in some cases
  590. # [14:20] <grantg> and when software scaling can only be done, it's the same speed
  591. # [14:20] * Parts: mcnesium (~mcnesium@unaffiliated/mcnesium)
  592. # [14:20] <grantg> Just tested this with js gbc, it beats google chrome's software scaler when disabling hw acceleration
  593. # [14:21] <grantg> seriously. :O
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  621. # [14:51] <Moo^> :o
  622. # [14:52] <grantg> yeah
  623. # [14:52] <grantg> I can do 60 fps at 600x600
  624. # [14:52] <grantg> :O
  625. # [14:52] <grantg> scaling from 200x200
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  627. # [14:53] <grantg> with this software scaler done in js which can do bi-linear and a custom
  628. # [14:53] <grantg> bi-linear is actually slightly faster
  629. # [14:53] <grantg> But bi-linear is used only on upscaling, as bi-linear inherently is bad in downscaling
  630. # [14:53] <grantg> the custom is used there instead
  631. # [14:54] <grantg> bad as in bi-linear requires multiple passes to work around the algo's flaws
  632. # [14:54] <grantg> you can do the same as bi-linear (when downscaling) with a rolling accum which is what the custom is.
  633. # [14:55] <grantg> but without the re-passes
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  635. # [14:56] <grantg> Moo^: http://i.imgur.com/CrR1Z.png
  636. # [14:56] <grantg> Notice "Resize canvas directly in JavaScript:" is checked
  637. # [14:58] <Moo^> grantg: you don't use webGL at all in the emulator?
  638. # [14:58] <grantg> canvas2d
  639. # [14:58] <Moo^> I was thinking reimplementing the scaler in webGL fragment shader, but I am not sure wheter that would serve any purpose
  640. # [14:59] <grantg> most browsers will hw accelerate canvas 2d
  641. # [14:59] <grantg> the rolling accum will knock out your gpu
  642. # [14:59] <grantg> as it's CPU oriented
  643. # [14:59] <grantg> requires lockstep
  644. # [14:59] <Moo^> ah
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  646. # [15:00] <grantg> I get HW acceleration now in google chrome and firefox, plus IE still doesn't natively support webgl
  647. # [15:00] <grantg> I really should add webgl support though
  648. # [15:00] <grantg> I tried awhile ago
  649. # [15:00] <grantg> but google chrome was a fit of instability
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  651. # [15:01] <grantg> I find it funny though you can't putImageData the image and let CSS scale the canvas in google chrome
  652. # [15:01] <grantg> you have to putImageData to an offscreen canvas, then drawImage it as scaled to the target canvas
  653. # [15:02] <grantg> for hardware acceleration in google chrome
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  655. # [15:02] <grantg> firefox is the **complete opposite**
  656. # [15:02] <grantg> firefox will only hw accelerate it if scaled via css
  657. # [15:02] <grantg> drawImage is slow in FF
  658. # [15:03] <grantg> Moo^: If you look at the source, you'll see I sniff for mozRequestAnimationFrame, but I don't use it
  659. # [15:03] <grantg> It's a UA detect
  660. # [15:03] <grantg> for this bulls**t
  661. # [15:04] <Moo^> madness
  662. # [15:04] <Moo^> grantg: is there bug against drawImage() in FF?
  663. # [15:04] <grantg> firefox accelerates layout, google chrome most of the time does not
  664. # [15:04] <grantg> yes
  665. # [15:04] <Moo^> IE also does accelerated drawImage() AFAIK
  666. # [15:04] <grantg> and one for google chrome being retarded with css scaling
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  668. # [15:04] <grantg> Moo^: Which is why I sniff out for FIREFOX. :P
  669. # [15:05] <Moo^> >_<
  670. # [15:05] <grantg> Funny, because I don't use rAF anymore
  671. # [15:05] <grantg> Too buggy in all browsers
  672. # [15:06] <grantg> they all implement stupid throttle algos that fuck shit up
  673. # [15:06] <jetienne> grantg: do you have a writeup explaining the bug in requestanimframe ?
  674. # [15:06] <grantg> and doing certain call patterns screws with rAF logic implemented by browsers
  675. # [15:07] <grantg> jetienne: I didn't do a writeup, though I explained it on IRC a few days ago in raeg
  676. # [15:07] <grantg> probably in someone's IRC scrollback
  677. # [15:07] <jetienne> probably lost :)
  678. # [15:07] <grantg> TL;DR frame rates all fucked up in this shit
  679. # [15:07] <grantg> rAF lacks a proper frame rate cap access for the js dev
  680. # [15:08] <jetienne> maybe raeg will do a writeup
  681. # [15:08] <grantg> browsers try to imply the actual frame rate and fuck shit up
  682. # [15:08] <grantg> or lock out devs from the frame rate logic
  683. # [15:09] <Moo^> grantg: you need more low level control
  684. # [15:09] <grantg> yeah
  685. # [15:09] <grantg> rAF is retarded currently
  686. # [15:10] <grantg> frame scheduling is too locked away with it
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  689. # [15:14] <grantg> funny, I can totally confirm google chrome uses bi-linear though, because it matches what I implemented for upscaling. lol
  690. # [15:14] <grantg> I thought someone said google chrome used a different one
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  974. # [19:41] <Cat4D> How do you plan on inlining the result library after ripping all of those tools? (modernizr)
  975. # [19:41] <Cat4D> wrong box, webchat
  976. # [19:41] <Cat4D> is alex sexton around?
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  983. # [19:45] <Cat4D_> Has anyone done a comprehensive browser profile map, including function implementation, verification and operation profiling, and speed/performance for the browser binaries?
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  1026. # [20:43] <David_Bradbury> That sounds like a lot of generic web jargon that actually doesn't seem to mean anything.
  1027. # [20:45] <David_Bradbury> And there are a lot of parts to the 'browser' - Are you talking about each browsers layout engine? Their JavaScript engine?
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  1046. # [21:04] <_shorinji_> anyone here worked with raphael js?
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  1052. # [21:10] <tw2113> i've tinkered on novice level, but never actually made anything useful
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  1054. # [21:11] <_shorinji_> im a novice too
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  1056. # [21:12] <_shorinji_> struggling to understand how to use sets
  1057. # [21:12] <_shorinji_> whether to mix elements in them
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  1059. # [21:12] <_shorinji_> event handling gets very messy
  1060. # [21:12] <tw2113> i felt accomplished making something render
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  1063. # [21:14] <_shorinji_> I have made a sort of sector menu … gonna try impress the colleagues tomorrow :P
  1064. # [21:14] <_shorinji_> for our hackathon
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  1135. # [22:27] <WebDragon> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sponsors-of-tomorrow/ultrabook.html <-- check this out in Opera -- brand new intel ultrabook project, and they're using browser-sniffing instead of feature detection and their supposed list of browsers that's compatible with their site never even shows up
  1136. # [22:27] <WebDragon> shame on you, Intel. slackers.
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  1141. # [22:32] <David_Bradbury> Lameeee :p
  1142. # [22:33] <David_Bradbury> I love pretty laptops, but I can never see myself getting one because they're just so impossible to upgarde
  1143. # [22:33] <David_Bradbury> upgrade*
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  1224. # [23:59] <chee> paul_irish: this is a better forum for q
  1225. # [23:59] <chee> is the smileyface method still the preferred @fontface pattern
  1226. # [23:59] <uf0_work> guys.. pixels or ems? for font-sizes..
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