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# Session Start: Fri Apr 20 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:00] <uf0_work> and why
# [00:00] <paul_irish> chee: fontspring
# [00:00] <paul_irish> uf0_work: px because you got shit to do
# [00:00] <uf0_work> uf0_work: lol agree
# [00:00] <tw2113> what? no rem uf0_work ?
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# [00:00] <uf0_work> hi tw2113!
# [00:00] <uf0_work> rem?
# [00:00] <uf0_work> what's that?
# [00:00] <uf0_work> and paul_irish just said px
# [00:01] <uf0_work> i'm wondering what's the argument for ems these days
# [00:01] <uf0_work> that browsers actually zoom
# [00:01] <tw2113> ?g rem
# [00:01] <uf0_work> does mobible benefit using EMs?
# [00:01] <bot-t> tw2113, R.E.M.HQ: HOME - http://remhq.com/
# [00:01] <tw2113> damn
# [00:01] <uf0_work> lol
# [00:02] <tw2113> ?g rem css
# [00:02] <bot-t> tw2113, Font sizing with rem - Snook.ca - http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/font-size-with-rem
# [00:03] <tw2113> i think RWD uses mostly percents, and ems aren't as needed
# [00:03] <uf0_work> RWD what's that?
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# [00:03] <tw2113> responsive web design
# [00:04] <uf0_work> ok for RWD can I use rem?
# [00:04] <uf0_work> and actually
# [00:04] <tw2113> you can use it for anything
# [00:04] <uf0_work> paul_irish: new question REM or PX
# [00:04] <tw2113> most people don't know about it yet still though
# [00:04] <uf0_work> tw2113: i assume you're on board for rem
# [00:04] <tw2113> as always, make sure you have fallbacks
# [00:04] <tw2113> i just know about them and pointed it out
# [00:05] <uf0_work> gotcha
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# [00:06] <uf0_work> the catch it's alot of work
# [00:06] <uf0_work> :)
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# [00:06] <uf0_work> the part using fallbacks
# [00:06] <tw2113> welcome to web development
# [00:06] <uf0_work> tw2113: is there anything wrong with using Pixels though
# [00:06] <uf0_work> ?
# [00:06] <tw2113> no
# [00:06] <uf0_work> in mobile
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# [00:06] <tw2113> why would there be?
# [00:06] <uf0_work> what's the argument against it?
# [00:07] <tw2113> dunno
# [00:07] <uf0_work> i'd love to stick to my pixels
# [00:07] <tw2113> then do
# [00:07] <uf0_work> yeah.. so here's the thing
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# [00:07] <uf0_work> starting a new job.. and mofo's are telling EMs are what experts recommend
# [00:07] <uf0_work> i'm like fuck.
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# [00:08] <uf0_work> so I figured.. ok let me ask the 'experts' here then
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# [00:09] <tw2113> yet you got me
# [00:09] <uf0_work> reading here
# [00:09] <uf0_work> http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/font-size-with-rem
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# [00:09] <uf0_work> he writes
# [00:09] <uf0_work> I, personally, have been of the camp that px-based layouts provide the consistency I prefer
# [00:09] <tw2113> http://adactio.com/journal/1700/
# [00:09] <uf0_work> :) !
# [00:10] <tw2113> note "preference"
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# [00:10] <tw2113> not "best practice"
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# [00:10] <uf0_work> umm.. are you telling me EMs is best practice?
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# [00:10] <tw2113> no
# [00:10] <uf0_work> so what's "best practice" then
# [00:10] <tw2113> i don't know which is widely regarded best practice
# [00:10] <uf0_work> oh
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# [00:11] <tw2113> it's mostly up to preference and how people solve the issues they run into
# [00:11] <tw2113> your new company has preference towards ems
# [00:11] <tw2113> somewhat claim it best practice
# [00:11] <uf0_work> well i'm gonna be the main "css" guy
# [00:11] <tw2113> but the sky is green too
# [00:11] <tw2113> ask them to convince you :)
# [00:11] <uf0_work> so i'm gonna fuckin change that lo;
# [00:11] <uf0_work> lol
# [00:11] <uf0_work> nah man
# [00:11] <tw2113> make them back up their words
# [00:11] <tw2113> put your foot down
# [00:12] <uf0_work> check this out.. i actually used ems before
# [00:12] <uf0_work> but it was a bitch to maintain
# [00:12] <tw2113> zomg
# [00:12] <uf0_work> um then i went back to px
# [00:12] <tw2113> so make them back up their em preference
# [00:12] <uf0_work> and now dudes are telling ems is what's in
# [00:12] <uf0_work> the best they can do is say..
# [00:12] <tw2113> have them point to articles and whatnot posted after 2009, just to be sure it's mostly modern
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# [00:13] <uf0_work> and if I want to back up my px argument
# [00:13] <uf0_work> I can just point them here http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/font-size-with-rem
# [00:13] <uf0_work> ?
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# [00:13] <uf0_work> it's prefers PX
# [00:13] <uf0_work> but gives options
# [00:14] <uf0_work> leaves the door open
# [00:14] <uf0_work> unlike.. it's either EMs or the highway
# [00:14] <tw2113> i'll say it again, make them back up their claims
# [00:14] <uf0_work> cool
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# [00:15] <tw2113> not that hard
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# [00:15] <tw2113> and if you're going to be dealing with mobile
# [00:15] <tw2113> look into the responsive web design stuff
# [00:15] <tw2113> it's already 2012's hot topic
# [00:16] <uf0_work> gotcha
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# [03:32] <mindpwned> sry if i was a total ass the last two times i was in here guys
# [03:32] <mindpwned> i have a question - somewhat interesting
# [03:33] <mindpwned> if you upload a picture to canvas can you get the colors of that picture by pixel? in rgn, hex, alpha?
# [03:33] <mindpwned> *rgb
# [03:35] <mindpwned> dont really need brilliant advice because we can all figure it out - just looking to talk about it
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# [03:59] <uf0_work> there was a proposal in html5 for a responsive image tag
# [03:59] <uf0_work> anyone have a link
# [03:59] <uf0_work> ?
# [04:00] <mindpwned> what is responsive?
# [04:00] <mindpwned> onhover?
# [04:00] <mindpwned> CMON
# [04:03] <uf0_work> what?
# [04:03] <uf0_work> responsive as in mobile
# [04:03] <uf0_work> it's called Responsive Images
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# [04:07] <boogyman> mindpwned: you're probably thinking about serving up different ones images based upon media queries
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# [04:11] <mindpwned> cant you slam a jpeg into canvas?
# [04:11] <mindpwned> yes you can
# [04:11] <mindpwned> server side, client side - everyone wants to see it
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# [05:24] <mindpwned> jyuttyr
# [05:24] <mindpwned> whoa im still here after saying that!?
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# [05:24] <mindpwned> lol sry
# [05:25] <mindpwned> was booted from js
# [05:25] <mindpwned> jesus christ its easy to get booted in
# [05:25] <mindpwned> ircv
# [05:25] <mindpwned> c
# [05:25] <mindpwned> no wonder this place is shit
# [05:25] <mindpwned> SHITTTTT
# [05:25] <mindpwned> SHIT SHIT HIST
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# [05:26] <mindpwned> it is shit though
# [05:26] <mindpwned> you all realize that?
# [05:26] <mindpwned> or if not prove me wrong? but prepare to win an argument without hysteria from you friends
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# [13:11] <veganista> i have some files that are stored above webroot, ideally i'd like to be able to play them using the audio element. I'm guessing this isn't possible, but i thought i'd ask, does anyone know any way of doing this?
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# [13:13] <manuchill> veganista, you need an extra layer i guess.... e.g. a php file that does a readfile on the file which isnt in the webroot
# [13:14] <veganista> ahhh, i think i know what you mean, so i'd access myfile.php and this would just return the file contents?
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# [13:16] <manuchill> you understand correct :) indeed
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# [13:17] <veganista> thanks manuchill, always good to get another devs view
# [13:18] <manuchill> veganista, no problemo
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# [14:36] <Defusal> hi everyone, does anyone know how i can force a websocket to close if it is stuck in readyState CLOSING?
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# [15:19] <lduros> hi, you can't add control to a <video> element without involving some javascript, can you?
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# [15:28] <Velmont> lduros: You can. <video controls>
# [15:29] <lduros> Velmont: ah, ok, all examples I found involved some sort of js, even with <video controls> it seems
# [15:30] <lduros> ok cool, looks like it's going to work :-)
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# [15:40] <lduros> controls would work with JS disabled?
# [15:40] <lduros> for some reason I get it working and then disable js and it's not
# [15:40] <lduros> hmm
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# [15:55] <Velmont> data:text/html,<!doctype%20html><video%20controls%20src=http://t/resources/media/webm/big_buck_bunny_480p.webm></video>
# [15:55] <Velmont> lduros: works beautifully in Opera without JS turned on.
# [15:55] <Velmont> lduros: If it doesn't in your browser it's a bug.
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# [15:55] <Velmont> lduros: Hmm, -- that videourl is of no help to you :P
# [15:56] <lduros> Velmont: it works on Firefox, but without controls
# [15:56] <lduros> you can right click
# [15:56] <lduros> and press play
# [15:56] <lduros> which is fair enough
# [15:56] <lduros> I guess
# [15:56] <Velmont> lduros: Yep, but controls should be there.
# [15:56] <Velmont> That's a bad fault.
# [15:56] <lduros> you could have an add-on that takes care of it
# [15:56] <lduros> Velmont: for Firefox, you mean?
# [15:56] <Velmont> lduros: Yep.
# [15:57] <Velmont> data:text/html,<!doctype%20html><video%20controls%20src=http://clips.vorwaerts-gmbh.de/big_buck_bunny.webm</video>
# [15:58] <lduros> still no luck with that dataURI
# [15:58] <lduros> for me
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# [15:58] <lduros> It needs a closing >
# [15:58] <lduros> that works
# [15:58] <Velmont> Ah, yeah, -- I just remade it in irssi :P
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# [15:59] <lduros> it's just the closing > is missing in <video no biggy :-()
# [15:59] <lduros> :-)
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# [16:39] <lduros> I need to put a <style> with a noscript
# [16:39] <lduros> when JS is disabled
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# [18:01] <dr0id> Dorris Knows HTML5
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# [18:02] <Jon47> i think it's allowed if it's a scoped style
# [18:02] <Jon47> althoguh that would only actually work correctly scoped in chrome
# [18:03] <Jon47> canary..
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# [18:11] <divya> hahahha
# [18:11] <divya> dr0id ++
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# [18:56] <thomasvs> I'm trying to figure out what the range or scale is for volume on the audio element
# [18:56] <thomasvs> the spec says: interpreted relative to the range 0.0 to 1.0, with 0.0 being silent, and 1.0 being the loudest setting, values in between increasing in loudness. The range need not be linear.
# [18:56] <thomasvs> but that's really vague
# [18:56] <thomasvs> any ideas?
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# [19:13] <Guest14030> Check it out. Star War on Twitter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptf9fd_6Eh0
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# [20:05] <Pomax> what's the easiest way to get a JS object rendered on a page as an expandible/collapsible bit of html, similar to the webkit inspector way of showing objects
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# [20:05] <Pomax> FF has uneval, which can then be regexped really easily into the desired HTML fragment, but that's just FF
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# [20:32] <Pomax> hmm
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# [21:26] <jvdev> if i have a cache manifest set on different subdomains pointing to www.domain.com/app.manifest, will they each need to download the manifest?
# [21:28] <jvdev> meaning, can i use cache manifest on several subdomain and not require the user to refresh again to obtain the latest version of the cached files
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# [21:41] <tw2113> but i may want to make sure i'm actually using it more too.
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