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- # [02:36] <meowsus> I'm having an issue with a demo I'm trying to finish up. I have a UL with 8 LI children. The widths are set to 12.5%, so I'm obviously trying to get each of these LIs to equal 100% total. This works well in MOZ but WebKit browsers seem to hate this. I'm trying to keep the JS light, and wondering if anyone knew any CSS tricks that might be able to do a better job of this. Here's the site. Check it out in Firefox and a WebKit b
- # [02:36] <meowsus> rowser like Chrome (the area is the black "steps" boxes at the bottom): http://www.meows.us/work-dropbox/paleo/
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- # [02:56] <meowsus> Anyone have problems like this?
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- # [03:50] <nuba> /y
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- # [04:23] <tw2113> JonathanNeal how much of the music for YayQuery are you responsible for? from beginning to now
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- # [07:10] <jarek> let's say I have transform matrix like this: matrix(a,b,c,d,e,f)
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- # [07:10] <jarek> how can I detect whether this matrix represents rotation?
- # [07:10] <jarek> 'b' must be equal to '-c', right?
- # [07:10] <jarek> is that enough?
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- # [07:30] <JonathanNeal> tw2113: 100%
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- # [07:31] <tw2113> like i figured
- # [07:31] <tw2113> i've been listening to old eps tonight
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- # [07:32] <JonathanNeal> old EPs of what?
- # [07:32] <tw2113> YayQuery
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- # [08:33] <dman777> i placed a favicon in my html document which shows up successfully in the browser address bar. i noticed google has a html icon along with text showing google. how do you place text next to the icon in the browser address bar?
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- # [08:35] <chousho> are you using Firefox, and connecting via SSL?
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- # [08:57] <dman777> chousho: firefox. this is local on my system...loading the page from my filesystem
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- # [09:03] <chousho> ah, dman777 I mean when you go to Google, are you going to https://google.com ?
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- # [09:30] <chousho> dman777: there you go :) If you use SSL for your own site, it should do the same thing
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- # [09:40] <chousho> you would have to go about getting a certificate. I'm not completely sure on the details in doing that, though
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- # [16:36] <sqwk> Is there a way to prevent firefox hiding an input's placeholder on focus? Webkit keeps it until some text is entered.
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- # [16:41] <Jon47> sqwk: don't think so (short of using a placeholder polyfill), but webkit has been praised by UI folks for keeping the text on focus until actual user input is entered, so maybe other browsers will follow suit
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- # [16:42] <sqwk> jon47: let's hope so! In the meantime, what's a placeholder polyfill?
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- # [16:43] <Jon47> sqwk: some reading : https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-browser-Polyfills
- # [16:43] <sqwk> thanks…
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- # [16:44] <Jon47> looks like there are at least 11 existing polyfills for placeholder, i haven't used any though
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- # [17:23] <JonathanNeal> How is everyone?
- # [17:23] <shwetank> good!
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- # [17:23] <shwetank> hope you're well too :)
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- # [17:24] <JonathanNeal> thanks
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- # [17:38] <Pomax> not bad, not bad.
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- # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> Good to hear, Pomax.
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- # [18:22] <Pomax> at mozilla now, already stuck on a project for getting kids and parents to remix websites =)
- # [18:24] <Pomax> oh man, I'm loving this http://firefox.com.cn/ spinner
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- # [18:33] * [[GP-KNS]] Jdee Richardson 4867960340456515 1114 049 P O Box 2305 CLARKSVILLE IN 47131 USA 8122188707 N/A N/A Visa DEBIT/PLATINUM JPMorgan Chase Bank N.A. - Debit
- # [18:35] <Pomax> hello
- # [18:35] <Pomax> [[GP-KNS]], infected with a mirc worm much?
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- # [18:39] <StoneCypher> wow :(
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- # [18:51] <mnemoc> accidental copy&paste probably
- # [18:51] <StoneCypher> no
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- # [18:51] <StoneCypher> the formatting doesn't make sense for it, and he's idle
- # [18:52] <StoneCypher> i tried to /notice and /msg him so he could call the bank, and got no response
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- # [18:55] <Pomax> he could actually just be a bot
- # [18:56] <Pomax> IP's routed through the UK, someone in the UK doesn't really have a JPMorgan Chase account
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- # [18:59] <StoneCypher> why not?
- # [18:59] <StoneCypher> jp morgan chase is one of the largest investment banks on earth
- # [18:59] <StoneCypher> tons of british people hold assets there
- # [18:59] <StoneCypher> also the address is in clarksville, indiana
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- # [19:22] <jaequery> is it possible to create an entire iphone app, in html5? and im not talking about mobile-optimized websites
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- # [19:43] <WebDragon> http://devel.w-m-t.com/Products/UV/ <-- just curious whether I'm using both Mark and Cite tags the way they are meant to be used, here, if anyone could let me know if I've misunderstood their application
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- # [19:45] <edwardbc> jaequery: yes, check out stuff like Sencha Touch, PhoneGap, backbone js...
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- # [19:46] <jaequery> why you need backbone
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- # [19:47] <tw2113> it was a suggestion, not a list of requirements
- # [19:47] <edwardbc> why you need html5?
- # [19:48] <edwardbc> indeed a suggestion, there's a lot of stuff that could help you build html5 apps
- # [19:50] <jaequery> i already have a html5 app, now i need to create an iphone app for it, can phonegap just let me seamlessly integrate it for an iphone app?
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- # [20:52] <Moo^> jaequery: try also #phonegap channel
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- # [21:01] <WebDragon> anyone?
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- # [21:07] <StoneCypher> cite, yes, though it's beneficial to give a url if possible
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> mark, no
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> mark is for when you're trying to point something out in someone else's text
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> think of it like a yellow highlighter
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> if you quote someone and you want to emphasize the part of their quote that you think is wrong, maybe
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> or wahtever
- # [21:08] <StoneCypher> there is a tag for what you're doing, lemme go find it
- # [21:09] <StoneCypher> i think it's def or something
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- # [21:09] <StoneCypher> yeah, <dfn> is a definition
- # [21:09] <StoneCypher> WebDragon: sorry i didn't notice you sooner, hth
- # [21:11] <WebDragon> StoneCypher: yeah but the description of <dfn> didn't match what I was trying to do as well
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- # [21:11] <WebDragon> StoneCypher: it seemed to be the exact opposite of what I wanted, in fact
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- # [21:21] <WebDragon> (which was to attach a hidden definition to an in-paragraph term)
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- # [21:24] <Pomax> WebDragon, to be honest I'd say you probably want <b> (mark the text bold without adding importance, such as for keywords in a text, which this literally is)
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- # [21:31] <WebDragon> hmm
- # [21:31] <WebDragon> I'm really annoyed about the description of <dfn>
- # [21:32] <WebDragon> <dfn title="full definition">word-to-be-defined</dfn> seems to me to be the perfect way to use it within a text
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- # [21:32] <WebDragon> only the explanation is the exact opposite
- # [21:34] <Pomax> dfn does not act alone
- # [21:34] <Pomax> what you have on your page, from what I can see, is a word that does not act as a definition placeholder, it's just a word in your text, and people are assumed to know what it means but you can find out what it means if you don't.
- # [21:35] <Pomax> that's pretty much a job for <b>
- # [21:36] <Pomax> which, under semantic html5 rules, means "we have marked this word as something you might put in a glossary" without implying more importance than any other word around it
- # [21:36] <Pomax> it doesn't even need to be rendered bold thanks to css. it's a bit unfortunate that the tag was kept <b>, but that's what you use it for these days
- # [21:36] <Pomax> <keyword> or something would have been more intuitive.
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- # [21:49] <Pomax> is flexbox still something serious?
- # [21:49] * StoneCypher isn't certain
- # [21:49] * StoneCypher has been wondering that for a while
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- # [21:53] <Pomax> paul_irish_: any idea?
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- # [22:08] <penthief> Does anyone know if it possible to stream navigator.getUserMedia('video') to a websocket?
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- # [22:12] <Pomax> hm, without flexbox, how do I do split a 100% height html/body page into one region of height X, and another region of height "the rest
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- # [22:14] <penthief> Pomax: All body's are 100%. Do you mean where the height is identical to the clientHeight? You would need javascript as vertical flow is not possible like horizontal flow is.
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- # [22:18] <Pomax> I think you mean "vertical float is not possible except using <table>"
- # [22:18] <Pomax> so <table> it is.
- # [22:18] <Pomax> (anyone who wants to hate gets to force flexbox into every browser, and as stable spec, first)
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- # [22:19] <penthief> Interesting point, must admit I haven't heard of flexbox too....
- # [22:20] <Pomax> flexbos is html's version of dev hell
- # [22:20] <Pomax> *felxbox
- # [22:20] <Pomax> .. fuckit T_T
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- # [22:37] <David_Bradbury> Flexbox looks interesting, but I admit I haven't experimented with it enough
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- # [22:45] <paul_irish> Pomax: there's the new flexbox
- # [22:45] <paul_irish> that's real.
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- # [22:53] <Pomax> paul_irish: got a good link for it?
- # [22:53] <paul_irish> ?g html5rocks flexbox
- # [22:53] <bot-t> paul_irish, Quick hits with the Flexible Box Model - HTML5 Rocks - http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/flexbox/quick/
- # [22:53] <paul_irish> read the top block
- # [22:59] <Pomax> cheers
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- # [23:15] <sedovsek> flex-order: <number>; will rock
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- # [23:17] <sedovsek> With the combination of media queries to arbitrary position the elements ...
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- # [23:19] <penthief> Does anyone yet know if it possible to stream navigator.getUserMedia('video') to a websocket?
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- # [23:32] <edse__> Hello everybody
- # [23:33] <edse__> I've got a few questions regarding some of the new html5 APIs.
- # [23:33] <edse__> Can you guys help me?
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- # [23:35] <edse__> Anybody?
- # [23:35] <StoneCypher> just ask your question
- # [23:36] <edse__> Cheers StoneCypher
- # [23:36] <edse__> Here go...
- # [23:36] <edse__> 1) Offline browsing / Cache API
- # [23:36] <edse__> In my webapp I'm using a few sound FXs and also a BG music...
- # [23:36] <edse__> I want theses audio files cached, in case the user goes offline...
- # [23:37] <edse__> The problem is that I have, for each audio file, two formats (MP3 and OGG)
- # [23:37] <StoneCypher> that'll get space expensive.
- # [23:37] <edse__> YES!!!
- # [23:38] <StoneCypher> there were some javascript and flash implementations of .s3m and .it
- # [23:38] <StoneCypher> those might get you out of it.
- # [23:38] <edse__> on my cache manifest I'm declaring both MP3 and OGG ... it just doesn't seems right
- # [23:38] <StoneCypher> but that's exotic music
- # [23:38] <StoneCypher> you can't just convert to it
- # [23:38] <edse__> what?
- # [23:39] <StoneCypher> .s3m and .it are not conversion targets. they're sampled patch sets. you start in that or it doesn't ever hit that format.
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- # [23:40] <edse__> mate, i dont think flash a good solution
- # [23:40] <edse__> it is html5, isn't it?
- # [23:41] <hober> support the formation of a whatwg community group at the w3c! http://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#whatwg
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- # [23:42] <edse__> Any other suggestion would be appreciated
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- # [23:47] <hober> heh, that was fast.
- # [23:47] <hober> https://www.w3.org/community/whatwg/
- # [23:48] <divya> wat
- # [23:48] <divya> hober: what does this mean :/
- # [23:48] <hober> divya: you should catch up on public-html
- # [23:50] <hober> and whatwg@ of course
- # [23:51] <divya> oh >_>
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- # [23:52] <tw2113> hola divya
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