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  226. # [05:00] <uf0_work> are there any live examples of sites using
  227. # [05:00] <uf0_work> http://html5boilerplate.com/mobile
  228. # [05:00] <uf0_work> ?
  229. # [05:00] <uf0_work> paul_irish
  230. # [05:00] <uf0_work> I've been developing from desktop and down..
  231. # [05:01] <uf0_work> but not backward (ie. mobile first)
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  384. # [08:49] <sirmxe_> alright, i've hit a point that's absolutely killing me and whoever here responds first automatically wins 1,000 internets by virtue of responding
  385. # [08:49] <sirmxe_> specific problem being with the web audio api
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  405. # [09:09] <heEEeheheeh> MP4 plays on HTML\FLA (9.???+) right?
  406. # [09:09] <heEEeheheeh> *html5
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  420. # [09:46] <luncht1me> •heEEeheheeh• I believe you're looking for this: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web_Development/Web_Languages-Standards/HTML/Q_26906093.html
  421. # [09:46] <Moo^> heEEeheheeh: no
  422. # [09:46] <luncht1me> DUN DUN DUNNN
  423. # [09:46] <Moo^> mp4 plays on certain browsers
  424. # [09:49] <sirmxe> hm
  425. # [09:49] <sirmxe> confusing
  426. # [09:49] <sirmxe> curse@u, webkitAudioContext::decodeAudioData
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  444. # [10:07] <Do``> hey
  445. # [10:07] <Do``> i'm playing around with media queries and i noticed an issue with the screen width in webkit vs everyone else
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  447. # [10:08] <Do``> according to spec, the scrollbar is included in the width calculation, but not in webkit
  448. # [10:08] <Do``> am i doing something wrong or is this part of css also fucked up?
  449. # [10:09] <Do``> if so, has anybody found a workaround to this?
  450. # [10:10] <Moo^> don't do layouts where those pixels matter :)
  451. # [10:10] <Moo^> and yes, it is "#€ up
  452. # [10:10] <Do``> 15-20 pixel difference is a lot when i'm trying to optimize for 480 width
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  454. # [10:11] <Moo^> mobile? 480 px wide screens don't have scrollbars :(
  455. # [10:11] <Do``> hm.
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  457. # [10:11] <Do``> so far i was playing with the browser window size
  458. # [10:12] <Do``> i guess i forgot about that
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  460. # [10:13] <Do``> so basically below ~980 pixels which would be only mobiles at this point, i can let that slide, as the scrollbar is only an overlay
  461. # [10:13] <Do``> a temporary one at that
  462. # [10:14] <Do``> that's a relief though it would be nice if desktop browsers had a way of replicating that
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  466. # [10:18] <sirmxe> okay, i'm starting to get a bit bothered by decodeAudioData not actually doing anything other than calling its error handler with no errors
  467. # [10:18] <sirmxe> woo
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  509. # [10:30] <Moo^> Do``: The latest OSX and Ubuntu have soft scrollbars?
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  513. # [10:34] <Do``> ubuntu does, but it doesn't show up in browsers, i think the application needs to be changed to use those ayatana overlay thingies
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  668. # [15:36] <rgb247> anyone can help me to understand web sockets?
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  671. # [15:38] <rgb247> anybody?
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  701. # [16:18] <obryan> Does anybody know of any good examples (maybe even a library?) of a 2d grid/map that allows me to zoom in/out or drag around the data. like a star map
  702. # [16:18] <obryan> i'm not wanting to re invent the wheel if i don't need to
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  745. # [17:04] <Pomax> hmmmmmmmmmm
  746. # [17:05] <Pomax> without resorting to manual replacement code, is there a way to use JS+some html element to turn "a <string 'with" stuff>" into "a &lt;string &apos;with&quot; stuff&gt;"?
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  759. # [17:16] <Jon47> Pomax: i'm aware of native functions for encoding strings for a URL but not for html.. i remember that dude from css tricks posted about this once..
  760. # [17:16] <Jon47> http://css-tricks.com/snippets/javascript/htmlentities-for-javascript/
  761. # [17:17] <Jon47> i guess manual is hte best you can do
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  768. # [17:21] <Pomax> hmm, if I'm willing to not get quot and apos, I can use var encoder = document.createElement("div"); encoder.appendChild(document.createTextNode(string)); var encoded = encoder.innerHTML;
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  771. # [17:21] <evasivx> Sooo I finally found out how to achieve a perfect 100/100 on Google Pagespeed using simple optomizations and a custom .htaccess file :D http://projectomni.com/sada/
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  773. # [17:25] <Jon47> nice job evasivx
  774. # [17:25] <Jon47> for me the thing that pushed me over the edge was using require.js
  775. # [17:25] <evasivx> Jon47, thanks man.
  776. # [17:26] <evasivx> Jon47, whats that?
  777. # [17:26] <Jon47> it's a library for dependency management that asynchronously loads modules
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  780. # [17:26] <evasivx> Jon47, async more than javascript? Cause i'm already defering jquery and jquery plugins
  781. # [17:27] <Jon47> lets you keep all of your page source javascript in the head but defers most of it so you don't block rendering while you wait for the files tod ownload
  782. # [17:27] <evasivx> Jon47, oh, yeah, thats one thing i already do. Using googles defer script that i just minified. Look at the bottom of my source for that site
  783. # [17:28] <Jon47> evasivx: nah, just js at the moment, though i think some browsers are starting to handle load events for stylesheets now too so hopefully at some point we can defer those as well
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  785. # [17:28] <evasivx> Jon47, Do you have a site right now i can look at, than, get you replace your .htaccess file with my custom one and see how much faster it loads and if the pagespeed score improves greatly?
  786. # [17:28] <Jon47> evasivx: I use the boilerplate .htaccess, it's pretty optimzed
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  789. # [17:31] <evasivx> Jon47, fair enough. I stripped most of boilerplate and took out unneeded stuff and combined it with my previous knowledge. It's alsot a 3rd of the file size than theres
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  791. # [17:32] <evasivx> Jon47, I could always get 99/100 on every site until i enabled keepalive to 5seconds on my httpd
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  807. # [18:00] <Mikato> hello my friends :)
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  815. # [18:06] <Mikato> is there a way to creating video chat in html5?
  816. # [18:06] <shwetank> with gUM + Websockets ... i havent tried it yet, but was thinking of doing it soon
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  822. # [18:12] <mike5w3c> boaz: I'm in Boston this week
  823. # [18:12] <mike5w3c> Cambridge
  824. # [18:12] <mike5w3c> through Sunday
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  893. # [19:21] <Mikato> guys
  894. # [19:21] <Mikato> come n
  895. # [19:21] <Mikato> why here no one write?
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  910. # [19:32] <Jon47> Mikato we're all here, you can check the channel user list, if you've got a question just ask it and anybody who feels qualified to answer and wants to help out will do so
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  912. # [19:33] <Mikato> ok, i got one
  913. # [19:33] <Mikato> is there a way to make a site for video chating?
  914. # [19:33] <Mikato> in html5?
  915. # [19:35] <Jon47> Mikato: read shwetank's response above
  916. # [19:37] <Mikato> sorry about that
  917. # [19:38] <Mikato> so for now there is no way to do that?
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  1014. # [21:39] <someprimetime> extremely odd behavior I'm getting: when I write a form tag into my page, it doesn't get rendered into the HTML.. it just disappears for some reason. anyone else experienced something like this before? it's not specific to one browser either
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  1048. # [21:56] <brrutzo> Could use some advice, I need to make a webapp work 100% offline. The kicker is that I need to read/write from about 10,000 records, with about 30 columns of data. My background is more PHP, MySQL. Can indexedDB handle this large of a dataset? Or, is there a different approach that would be more suitable?
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  1053. # [22:03] <Moo^> nice slides http://westcoastlogic.com/slides/debug-mobile/#/22
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  1072. # [22:27] <Jon47> ooh yeah that's pretty
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  1074. # [22:28] <Jon47> slide text is funny too
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  1078. # [22:39] <Moo^> I somehow understand all those fucking words when the poor bastard has developed mobile HTML
  1079. # [22:39] <Moo^> even for IE
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  1103. # [23:12] <TermNL> does anyone know, why a string can be of max length 16385, when sending it from chrome (not sure about other browsers), through a websocket ?
  1104. # [23:13] <TermNL> is there possibly some way to increase this, or will i have to implement some sort of overlaying protocol with succesive data fragments
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  1133. # [23:38] <Moo^> TermNL: sounds like protocol limitation
  1134. # [23:39] <TermNL> yes indeed, however sending a few megabytes from server to client does work
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  1140. # [23:41] <TermNL> was hoping this is some browser based security setting, or possibly even a flag which van de set on the websocket api
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  1142. # [23:42] <TermNL> but i guess i'il just create a protocol on top of the websockets to fragment data which is too large
  1143. # [23:42] <TermNL> too bad there is so little documentation available yet:p
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