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# [02:03] <grantg> miketaylr: If you're testing opera for performance on JS GBC, you'll notice performance just dropped by a lot
# [02:04] <grantg> That's due to the branch merge of LLE-APU into master
# [02:04] <grantg> generates audio at system clock (0x400000 hertz)
# [02:04] <grantg> rather than a much lower rate
# [02:04] <grantg> relies on JITs making use of type inference
# [02:05] <miketaylr> hey grantg
# [02:05] <grantg> It uses some more cpu in firefox and google chrome
# [02:05] <miketaylr> i haven't played in a week or so ^_^
# [02:05] <grantg> but sample for sample, the PAPU code is more efficient
# [02:05] <grantg> heh
# [02:06] <miketaylr> just got wind waker, so i'm on my wii for now ;)
# [02:06] <grantg> TL;DR I emulate the hardware better
# [02:06] <grantg> lol
# [02:06] <grantg> Browsers will need to handle array writes at 4 MHZ
# [02:06] <grantg> over 4 million array writes per sec in the audio jit cor
# [02:06] <grantg> *core
# [02:06] <miketaylr> wowzers
# [02:07] <grantg> yeah
# [02:07] <grantg> but it's very tight code
# [02:07] <grantg> VERY tight
# [02:07] <grantg> It emulates on die logic
# [02:07] <grantg> and hardware gate logic much better
# [02:08] <grantg> The GB/GBC has lots of parallel counters running at system clock for the PAPU
# [02:08] <grantg> Each one is responsible for some audio component
# [02:09] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ was just updated for the new code
# [02:09] <grantg> You'll need to clear your cache/history, as opera and google chrome like to hold on to stale copies of that page forever
# [02:10] <grantg> JS GBC is now way more accurate than desktop gameboy emulators.... LOL
# [02:10] <grantg> I don't cheat the sample rate
# [02:11] <miketaylr> :)~
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# [02:11] <grantg> I know for instance VBA and KiGB cheat by sampling at 44.1 khz
# [02:12] <grantg> I sample at 4194304 hertz
# [02:12] <grantg> and use the custom resampler in xaudiojs which is way better than linear, as it doesn't skip samples to interpolate
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# [02:16] <grantg> Funny seeing google chrome's V8's crankshaft pop in the optimized code for the tight loops
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# [02:16] <grantg> b/c CPU usage drops by 20% when crankshaft pops in the optimized machine code 30 seconds after loading
# [02:17] <grantg> You can totally see that when monitoring the cpu usage
# [02:18] <grantg> I know these changes fixed "3D Pocket Pool"
# [02:18] <grantg> It now runs it better than KiGB
# [02:18] <grantg> and KiGB brags about it. LOL
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# [04:46] <Smaczny> hello guys
# [04:46] <Smaczny> anyone up still?
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# [04:46] <ndimatteo> yes
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# [04:47] <Smaczny> how are you ndimatteo
# [04:47] <ndimatteo> frustrated haha. you?
# [04:47] <Smaczny> kinda sleepy
# [04:47] <Smaczny> 4:40 am
# [04:47] <Smaczny> here
# [04:48] <ndimatteo> damn.
# [04:48] <ndimatteo> 10:40 here
# [04:49] * tw2113 is in san francisco area for the weekend
# [04:49] <Smaczny> ndimatteo: am?
# [04:49] <Smaczny> or pm
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# [04:50] <ndimatteo> pm
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# [04:51] <Smaczny> ndimatteo: lucky one
# [04:51] <Smaczny> i'm going to sleep probably
# [04:51] <Smaczny> i'm to drunk
# [04:51] <Smaczny> to work on project
# [04:51] <Smaczny> just will sleep for 12am or 2pm
# [04:51] <Smaczny> sth like that
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# [05:02] <Smaczny> i'm going to sleep
# [05:02] <Smaczny> night
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# [09:55] <dman777_alter> how can i make a bullet round symbol horizontal in one line? for ie: john doe <round bullet> address <round bullet> city, state
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# [11:18] <mage_> I just started to dig a bit into html5 and I wondered how I could mix HTML5 with XML, for example RDF, Dublin Core, etc ?
# [11:18] <mage_> since html5 is not an XML language..
# [11:18] <Demp> what do you mean by mix?
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# [11:19] <mage_> embed rdf tags, a separate xmlns
# [11:20] <Demp> why would you want to do that?
# [11:20] <mage_> I used to do that in xhtml
# [11:21] <mage_> that's why xml namespace are done, no ?
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# [13:19] <s0u][ight> hello, how can i stream live content using html5?
# [13:20] <obert-> <video>?
# [13:20] <obert-> <svg>?
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# [13:30] <s0u][ight> obert-: on the server side, this live stream should be (if audio for example) mp3 encoded
# [13:30] <s0u][ight> and simply that would work?
# [13:30] <s0u][ight> in the source tag, how should i reference to that stream?
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# [13:33] <obert-> no idea
# [13:33] <obert-> youtube player is in flash and video in .flv?
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# [13:35] <s0u][ight> yes
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# [13:35] <obert-> there are js solution for a player
# [13:36] <obert-> no idea about html5;)
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# [13:38] <obert-> http://flowplayer.org/ btw
# [13:39] <manuchill> is flowplayer free? obert- are you looking for a free version?
# [13:40] <obert-> just showed up to s0u][ight the first js classic solution
# [13:40] <manuchill> regarding streaming: here's a page to look at http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/12535/video-delivery-rtmp-streaming
# [13:40] <obert-> dunno if it is free
# [13:40] <obert-> he's gone though;)
# [13:40] <manuchill> ah ok
# [13:41] <obert-> is flowplayer free?
# [13:41] <manuchill> iirc it isn't
# [13:41] <obert-> ah
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# [13:42] <obert-> for me could enought to have a gallery structure :)
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# [14:51] <Nasrudin> Is it possible drawImage() doesn't work on certain gif files?
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# [14:51] <Nasrudin> I try to use it but it only works on some gif files...not on others
# [14:51] <Nasrudin> it simply downloads the image every time I try to draw it...
# [14:52] <Nasrudin> the ones where this occurs are ones I edited in paint.net today; on older ones (from ca 1999) there's no problem
# [14:52] <Nasrudin> Anyone any idea what the problem might be?
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# [15:06] <aQustic> hi, could anyone explain to me why chrome/ie adds the contents bottom-margin when using a min-height setting, but when using a fixed heigh? http://jsfiddle.net/sUfrH/1/
# [15:07] <aQustic> should be "but NOT when using"
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# [15:40] <n_np> hello, im having trouble getting the <audio> tag to work, but it works fine in internet explorer, it just shows continually that its load a file; which it shouldbt be since the site is a local testing site. What could be wrong?
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# [15:44] <n_np> hello, im having trouble getting the <audio> tag to work, but it works fine in internet explorer, in firefox it just shows continually that its load a file; which it shouldbt be since the site is a local testing site. What could be wrong?
# [15:46] <vikash> n_np, can you please share that piece of code?
# [15:46] <n_np> ok
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# [15:46] <n_np> it has some php in it
# [15:46] <n_np> <audio preload=\"metadata\" src=\"./mixes/".$entry."\" type=\"audio/mp3\" title=\"a mix\" controls></audio>
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# [15:46] <n_np> $entry is just the filename
# [15:46] <n_np> that works fine
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# [15:47] <n_np> i think there's something wrong with firefox's audio tag processing but yet it seems to support it so i dont know what it could be
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# [15:47] <n_np> here is a line of what it generates: <audio preload="metadata" src="mixes/2011 05 20 09 59.mp3" type="audio/mp3" title="a mix" controls></audio>
# [15:47] <vikash> n_np, which version for firefox, and I think this can be helpful for you https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_HTML5_audio_and_video
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# [15:48] <n_np> firefox 5.0.1 is that too old?
# [15:49] <n_np> is 12.0 out allready or am i mistaken?
# [15:50] <vikash> n_np, I think you have to check if it support HTML5 or not?
# [15:50] <n_np> you see it brings up the little element with the play button and volume control etc. but it just has an X and doesnt load the file
# [15:50] <n_np> is it maybe because my filenames have spaces in them?
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# [15:51] <vikash> I think, that you must try :) and you can surly try http://lmgtfy.com/?q=firefox+
# [15:52] <n_np> i've googled it to pieces, thats why im here
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# [15:54] <vikash> See the thing is, why its not running, if you are having issues of spaces, the please see to it once yourself, Also if possible please download the latest version of firefox and test it out.
# [15:54] <vikash> that you would be beneficial for you
# [15:54] <vikash> or the best would be try this http://html5test.com/ in your browser. It will help you a lot
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# [15:56] <vikash> also, type mp3? please convert it to ogg and then try once
# [15:57] <n_np> i updated firefox and the x went away
# [15:58] <n_np> but it still wont play
# [15:58] <vikash> because its mp3, I suppose
# [15:58] <vikash> please convert to ogg, and then try once http://media.io/
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# [15:59] <vikash> that will help you in converting
# [15:59] <n_np> ok
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# [16:01] <vikash> n_np if that doesn't work then you can find many other free ogg converters online, there are tonnes of them
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# [16:03] <n_np> vikash thanks, it seems ie doesnt score so high on this html5 test but its the only browser that plays the file, from the browsers that i have installed anyway
# [16:03] <n_np> ill look into it
# [16:03] <n_np> thanls
# [16:03] <n_np> thanks
# [16:05] <vikash> n_np, great, ogg is an open format and supported by all browsers. I mp3 has lots of *patent* issues so its not supported by all. I will suggest you to use ogg audio and ogv video as far as possible if you are working on the website
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# [16:08] <n_np> vikash is ogg also supported by ie then?
# [16:08] <shwetank> ogg is not supported by all
# [16:09] <n_np> but with the <source> tag i can put the same file with multiple file formats to work around that, right?
# [16:09] <shwetank> yes
# [16:09] <n_np> ok gotcha
# [16:09] <n_np> gunna be a lot of work recording some new sets for this site, just wanted to make sure i can get the code to work first
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# [16:12] <vikash> shwetank, thanks for that info, I din't know that
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# [16:16] <vikash> shwetank, can you please tell me something about Web Education Community Group
# [16:16] <shwetank> what you wanna know?
# [16:16] <shwetank> anything in particular? or just whats its about?
# [16:16] <vikash> what its about?
# [16:17] <vikash> and what discussion go in that? and do we become a member just by signing up and how active is it??
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# [16:19] <shwetank> It initially started out as the Education Effort Opera was doing (we made the Opera Web Education Curricullum, where a number of people, within and outside opera contributed articles into one curicullum that teachers could use to teach standards based web education to students). We also had a active outreach program. ...... later on we felt that this effort should have more community involvement, and should be therefore be moved to the W3C .... to furthe
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# [16:19] <vikash> ...
# [16:20] <shwetank> so now what we have is a initial curricullum (which needs some updation and additions) which we would ask people in academia to use to in their courses so that everyone can have a good standards based introduction to the web
# [16:21] <shwetank> we have buy in from other browser makers too, as well as academicians and students to help improve the curicullum and ask colleges to use it in their courses ... its still very early days though
# [16:22] <n_np> is it a cirriculum about web standards or about how to use the web?
# [16:22] <shwetank> web standards
# [16:22] <vikash> shwetank, I presume you must have have about MDN? How different is it from that [ I am certainly not considering w3schools for various reasons]
# [16:23] <vikash> shwetank, also http://shwetankdixit.com/words/ is amazing :-)
# [16:23] <shwetank> MDN is more documentation of standards .... the web standards curricullum is more like chapters you could read and teach as part of a course
# [16:23] <n_np> it would be nice if w3c schools had examiners all around the world
# [16:24] <shwetank> vikash thanks
# [16:24] <vikash> shwetank o.O but I think the MDN example base is good :-).
# [16:24] <vikash> shwetank, its developed upon?
# [16:24] <vikash> and its still HTML4 :D
# [16:25] <shwetank> take a look at http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page for the initial set of resources
# [16:26] <vikash> shwetank, o.O thats cool, its more like a web 101 :-)
# [16:27] <shwetank> you could say that .... but the plan is to add more resources too
# [16:27] <vikash> Well, fortunately this is the 2nd year I am selected in GSoC. and this time its for Mozilla. and my project is to add more and more examples to MDN for various tags and elements :D. So for me its summer of fun ;-)
# [16:28] <vikash> *examples and samples
# [16:28] <shwetank> awesome
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# [16:28] <shwetank> thats a great project to have
# [16:28] <vikash> so, I would be working on HTML5, CSS3 a lot
# [16:28] <vikash> Great and fun :D
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# [16:28] <vikash> and my mentors are simply amazing :D
# [16:29] <shwetank> nice, let me know if you need any help or have any questions
# [16:29] <vikash> so, I am enjoying a lot :)
# [16:29] <vikash> sure, on the way I might have some trouble understanding, I will ping you for sure
# [16:29] <shwetank> np
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# [16:30] <vikash> shwetank, thanks a tonne :). I am sure this project will help many others. Also, if there is anything particular in MDN you are looking or please lemme know, I will append it to my TODO's
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# [16:36] <sanguisdex> is there some proper grouping tag for a section of social links
# [16:36] <sanguisdex> aside?
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# [16:39] <shwetank> aside is used if its just tangentially related to the main content .... if you feel like thats the case, then go ahead and use it :)
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# [16:40] <sanguisdex> shwetank: its not the links for the content it's the global facebook, twitter... ect links
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# [16:40] <shwetank> that to me is not the main content, just tangetially related to the main content
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# [16:40] <shwetank> so it fits there I suppose
# [16:41] <shwetank> <aside> that is
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# [16:43] <sanguisdex> I guess so
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# [16:45] <shwetank> <aside> is not just for tangetially related content, as I remember the definition is changed slightly to alllow stuff which is quite directly related in certain cases too ... check out http://html5doctor.com/aside-revisited/
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# [16:49] <shwetank> i think its growing pains ... after a while when it becomes quite common and the kids grow up with these new elements, its not going to be that much an issue
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# [19:37] <cgcardona> High Five Friday! o/\o
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# [19:45] <J_Voracek> login script - http://www.webception.tk
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# [19:50] <supsup> random: anyone using google drive?
# [19:50] <paul_irish> I AM
# [19:50] <supsup> i just set it up, it maked all my stuff to sync b ut now its just sittin there
# [19:50] <supsup> any ideaz
# [19:50] <paul_irish> ummm
# [19:51] <paul_irish> nope
# [19:51] <supsup> word
# [19:51] <paul_irish> shit just worked for me
# [19:51] <supsup> i'm prob using it wrong
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# [19:51] <supsup> i made symbolic link to my dropbox folder
# [19:51] <paul_irish> typiccal supsup
# [19:51] <supsup> but it makred it as syncable.
# [19:51] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [19:51] <supsup> so i don't know why it's n ot syncin
# [19:51] <supsup> it hates me i think
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# [19:53] <paul_irish> sup robhawkes
# [19:53] <robhawkes> paul_irish: hey dude
# [19:54] <paul_irish> hows the internet treating you this friday evening
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# [19:56] <supsup> i'm working on putting html5 boiler plate into softslate ecommerce instead of it's crazy tiles based mobojumbo, it's so fun...
# [19:56] <paul_irish> hot
# [19:57] <Trisox> hey paul
# [19:57] <Trisox> how's life
# [19:57] <paul_irish> sup soxy
# [19:57] <Trisox> yo :)
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# [19:59] <Trisox> paul working on something new fancy
# [20:00] <edwardbc> paul_irish: quick question, whats the correct place to keep track of Chrome Dev tools new stuff ? just discovered the counters feature on the Timeline
# [20:00] <paul_irish> edwardbc: peter.sh is pretty good.
# [20:00] <Trisox> i read the post about the hotpink.. its a shame you take it out heheh
# [20:00] <paul_irish> that and @chromiumdev
# [20:00] <edwardbc> awesome thanks :)
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# [20:05] <supsup> wow yah google drive does not support symbolic links bummer.
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# [20:12] <supsup> well dropbox supports them, so I just moved all my files to google drive, them symbolic'd em over to dropbox bam problem solved. ~
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# [20:15] <robhawkes> paul_irish: It's certainly keeping me busy. I'm at my parents house right now in prep for a games hack weekend in the UK. How's things with you?
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# [20:17] <paul_irish> sweeeet! good. it's a friday and most of my colleagues are out of the office which leaves plenty of silence. i think I might just have to record a screencast
# [20:18] <supsup> of the silence.
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# [20:23] <robhawkes> paul_irish | supsup: Haha. "Just listen to how quiet it is!!"
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# [20:26] <supsup> people used to think at confrences it was annoying when people used dropbox, now they will have chained sync programs to contend with the battle is on, gotta catch em all.
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# [21:27] <paul_irish> I have a poll I'd like your input on! http://gopollgo.com/what-browsers-do-you-test-your-sites-slash-apps-against
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# [21:28] <supsup> why is your poll so mean to me
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# [21:29] <supsup> at least i'm in the current winning category...so far
# [21:29] <paul_irish> :)
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# [22:13] <StoneCypher> paul_irish: answered on site, but so that i can also give a justification, "the only reason I still support IE8 is that some people can't get out of XP at work."
# [22:13] <StoneCypher> then again, i'm not making commercial sites currently
# [22:14] <StoneCypher> if i was, i'd be supporting quite a larger range
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# [22:20] <paul_irish> StoneCypher: FF and Chrome run on XP though. And Chrome Frame
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# [23:23] <supsup> i asked my boss if i could use chrome and he told me i could but some twenty inch blades on my Impalla but to keep it off his machines.
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# [23:36] <David_Bradbury> Any ideas if there is a way to get 'flat' rounded corners? Meaning a diagonal lines at the corners instead of curves
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# [23:50] <noocx> hi
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# [23:57] <David_Bradbury> hi
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