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  370. # [08:40] <neekfenwick> hi guys. is it normal for a <video> tag set to preload="auto" or "metadata" to always fetch the video file? I want sensible preload behaviour the first time our site is visited, but find that even after the video has been fully buffered, hitting refresh reloads the entire video from our server again. shouldn't it support 304 Not Modified behaviour?
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  378. # [08:49] <neekfenwick> seems it's to do with the Range header in the initial GET request, I just can't see why a server like httpd wouldn't be able to respond with a sensible "you already have that range in your cache" response .. except the GET doesn't seem to send a If-Modified-Since header that it could use to figure that out
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  385. # [08:58] <tw2113> http://fixiejs.com/
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  518. # [10:44] <acron^> hi, is there a specific channel for html5 game dev?
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  531. # [10:50] <Moo^> acron^: there is
  532. # [10:50] <Moo^> but I cannot remember its name out of my head
  533. # [10:50] <Moo^> was not simple to guess
  534. # [10:50] <acron^> hmmm
  535. # [10:50] <Moo^> acron^: there are framework specific channels like #impactjs
  536. # [10:50] <Moo^> also
  537. # [10:51] <acron^> oh nice, that'll do :)
  538. # [10:51] <acron^> thanks
  539. # [10:51] <acron^> are you an impactjs user?
  540. # [10:51] <Moo^> not unfortunately
  541. # [10:51] <Moo^> I code boring websites
  542. # [10:51] <acron^> :)
  543. # [10:51] <Moo^> but one day, maybe
  544. # [10:51] <acron^> heh
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  546. # [10:51] <_shorinji_> :)
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  730. # [16:21] <vikash> I was looking for some nice HTML5 cheatsheet wallpaper but couldn't find one. Any suggestions on these?
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  735. # [16:28] <Jon47> vikash: it's changing constantly ;)
  736. # [16:29] <vikash> ha ha, still I was looking for one *if possible*:)
  737. # [16:29] <shwetank> do you mean the html5 spec? or all new and shiny specs?
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  739. # [16:30] <vikash> shwetank, hey :)
  740. # [16:30] <shwetank> sup
  741. # [16:30] <vikash> may be both, Well that depends
  742. # [16:30] <vikash> Great how are you :)
  743. # [16:30] <shwetank> good :)
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  745. # [16:31] <vikash> shwetank, so any suggestions?
  746. # [16:35] <shwetank> most would be a bit outdated .... but you could try http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/07/06/html-5-cheat-sheet-pdf/ or http://www.pakzilla.com/2011/02/27/an-ultimate-html5-cheatsheet-you-must-have/ (the browser readiness stuff in the second link is deiniftly outdated )
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  748. # [16:37] <vikash> shwetank, thanks
  749. # [16:38] <vikash> May be we guys could have ever updated cheat sheets for HTML5 :)
  750. # [16:38] <shwetank> i personally would rather read (or write!) some nice articles about it ;)
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  752. # [16:39] <vikash> hmm, but sometime I think these come handy
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  754. # [16:40] <shwetank> sure, some guys find cheat sheets like these very handy, and find it a valuable resource
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  757. # [16:42] <vikash> Its valuable for quick reference :-) but its surly very handy
  758. # [16:43] <Jon47> vikash: another complication is that "html5" is the umbrella term for a lot of technologies
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  760. # [16:44] <vikash> Jon47, hmm
  761. # [16:44] <shwetank> Jon47 which is what i hate. I try to say html5 and related technologies, or html5 and friends, etc .... otherwise it becomes really confusing as everyone has a different idea of what its supposed to mean
  762. # [16:44] <Jon47> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ is the best resource I know of for the latest stuff, but good luck distilling it into a cheatsheet ;)
  763. # [16:45] <vikash> :)
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  796. # [17:31] <dpy> hi guys
  797. # [17:31] <dpy> does anyone see why clicking on this embedded SVG doesn't show the popup/alert? http://jsbin.com/acuwof
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  799. # [17:32] <dpy> okay, it's not literally embedded btw, it's included using the embed tag
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  814. # [17:48] <dpy> nm, the embed-tag doesn't seem to support events in chrome and FF (while it should according to the standards), fixed by using a plain div with the SVG as bg img.
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  889. # [19:12] <David_Bradbury> I'm sad - I have to program using XHTML 1.1 / HTML4 because iPads don't allow inline SVG in HTML5
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  905. # [19:28] <StoneCyqher> [13:04] <David_Bradbury> I'm sad - I have to program using XHTML 1.1 / HTML4 because iPads don't allow inline SVG in HTML5
  906. # [19:28] <StoneCyqher> er. they don't?
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  908. # [19:28] * shepazu doesn't have an iPad… I hope that's not true
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  910. # [19:29] <David_Bradbury> Nope, you have to either call it as an image as "blah.svg", open the SVG file, or use XHTML.
  911. # [19:29] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: do you have a url?
  912. # [19:29] <devmikey> Should I use plesk?
  913. # [19:29] <David_Bradbury> <svg> or drawing it using JS just ends up empty
  914. # [19:29] <David_Bradbury> I'll throw an example together
  915. # [19:30] <shepazu> thanks, David_Bradbury
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  917. # [19:32] <David_Bradbury> shepazu: http://fiddle.jshell.net/BMH8N/show/
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  919. # [19:36] <shepazu> StoneCyqher: do you have an iPad handy?
  920. # [19:36] <shepazu> http://jsfiddle.net/n4fAm/
  921. # [19:38] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: my example doesn't work either?
  922. # [19:38] <shepazu> http://jsfiddle.net/n4fAm/show/
  923. # [19:38] <David_Bradbury> I can get it to work, I just have to write it in XHTML
  924. # [19:38] <David_Bradbury> Which is lame
  925. # [19:38] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: totally lame
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  927. # [19:39] <shepazu> I mean, does the one I just pasted work?
  928. # [19:39] <shepazu> there were some errors in the one you showed, so I corrected them
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  930. # [19:39] <shepazu> (probably introduced by jsfiddle)
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  934. # [19:40] <shepazu> ugh, jsfiddle's "show" is terrible output!
  935. # [19:40] <shepazu> wtf?
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  937. # [19:41] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: I have to go to a meeting (where some people may have ipads), but I'll keep looking into this… if we confirm it, we should file a bug
  938. # [19:41] <David_Bradbury> Yeah, and it doesn't work
  939. # [19:41] <shepazu> iPad is the IE8 of SVG browsers
  940. # [19:41] <shepazu> let's run a smear campaign
  941. # [19:41] <shepazu> :P
  942. # [19:42] <David_Bradbury> Heh
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  944. # [19:42] <devmikey> Should I use plesk?
  945. # [19:42] <shepazu> bbl
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  950. # [19:44] <jair> hello guys I am sure many of you have gone through the video codec format nightmare. I have a simple html5 page where I want to show a video .mp4 (HD) but I know FF does not support that format
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  954. # [19:44] <jair> I use linux for everything and would like to convert the .mp4 file to either .ogg or ogv Theora so people can watch the video in FF?
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  956. # [19:45] <Velmont> jair: If you use WEBM, you can have it work in all browsers (after installing extra codecs)
  957. # [19:45] <jair> any recommendations? I want to keep if possible the HD quality of the video after conversion from mp4 to ogg/ogv
  958. # [19:45] <Velmont> jair: You also need WEBM/Theora for Opera.
  959. # [19:45] <jair> I see
  960. # [19:45] <Velmont> jair: ffmpeg2theora is very easy to use
  961. # [19:45] <jair> alright can we do one at the time?
  962. # [19:46] <jair> let me check that program to convert the mp4 to ogv or ogg or webm?
  963. # [19:47] <Velmont> jair: ffmpeg2theora is for ogv/ogg
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  965. # [19:51] <jair> Velmont: ok perfect will try that right now
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  969. # [19:57] <jair> Velmont: alright it is converting, once I have the file .ogg or .ogv (will either one work)?
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  973. # [19:58] <jair> is this the tag I need to use on the html5 code: <source src="/videos/my-new-converted-video.ogg" type="video/ogg" />
  974. # [19:59] <jair> Velmont: is this the tag I need to use on the html5 code: <source src="/videos/my-new-converted-video.ogg" type="video/ogg" />
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  981. # [20:04] <jair> Velmont: conversion is done and I test I can play the video, quality is pretty good I think identical
  982. # [20:04] <jair> Velmont: now I need to put the syntax on the page and test
  983. # [20:06] <jair> I wonder why the mp4 is 133MB and the ogv is only 33MB, there has to be some degradation because of that compression
  984. # [20:10] <jair> I wonder why my videos are not playing :( I have the two formats mp4 and ogv there with the right source and syntax video html5 :(
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  991. # [20:19] <jair> do I need to add something AddType to my apache configuration??
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  999. # [20:28] <Velmont> jair: Yep. Ser$ach for it.
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  1002. # [20:31] <jair> Velmont: I fond this file on my server: /etc/mime.types and has all of those files
  1003. # [20:32] <Velmont> Both .ogg and .ogv
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  1006. # [20:34] <Velmont> then <video><source src=a.ogv type="video/ogg"></source><source src=a.mp4 type="video/mp4"></video>
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  1008. # [20:38] <jair> Velmont: OK let me try, please check the video here: http://vopencloud.com/cloud1.html
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  1012. # [20:44] <Velmont> jair: This video doesn't exist: http://vopencloud.com/var/www/videos/elizabeth-pedro.ogv
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  1014. # [20:45] <Velmont> jair: You should do /videos and take away the /var/www
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  1027. # [21:00] <jair> Velmont: will get back to you in a second i am in call
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  1033. # [21:07] <jair> Velmont: alright I am back. do you use apache in linux or a different web server for your servers?
  1034. # [21:07] <Velmont> jair: ... Uh, it's your problem you know :P
  1035. # [21:08] <jair> Velmont: LOL, I am fixing it now :)
  1036. # [21:08] <Velmont> Just your src that is wrong.
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  1038. # [21:09] <jair> Velmont: ok can you try again?
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  1040. # [21:11] <jair> Velmont: still I get this message in FF "no video with supported format and MIME type found"
  1041. # [21:12] <jair> together with a grey box
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  1044. # [21:14] <jair> hmmm. I am using debian linux and in the apache server there is a configuration file "/etc/mime.types" ---> http://paste.debian.net/167196/
  1045. # [21:14] <jair> Velmont: check the paste I put in the top
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  1049. # [21:17] <jair> Velmont: got it!!!
  1050. # [21:17] <jair> Velmont: the error was in the path to the video :)
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  1061. # [21:24] <jair> Velmont: thank you very much for the help I really use your help alot! I have just one concern about the size difference between the .mp4 and the .ogv one...
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