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  41. # [01:21] <sausage2> HAJ!
  42. # [01:22] <sausage2> AJ NIID HELLP VITT AN HTML DOKUMENT KAN ANYBODI HELP MI?
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  132. # [05:36] <machiolate> which websites are we generally able to link to without having to worry about any kind of infringement if any at all? (from a personal webpage)
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  195. # [07:33] <natrixnatrix89> Hi guys. I have the following problem.. If I have html5 video player.. where I have specified 3 sources.. mp4, webm and ogg/vorbis (in the order I've described). If I open the page in firefox, it wouldn't play and I'd get an error. that the mp4 format is not supported, although I've supported an alternate source.. Now I change the order of the sources, and put ogg in first place(because I know firefox should play it) it plays ok on all browsers.. but no
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  239. # [08:58] <vhsjon> hi guys, does anybody know of a good tool for timing web service requests and responses for mac?
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  244. # [09:05] <natrixnatrix89> like websocket.io?
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  296. # [10:43] <terryleigh> in HTML5 can links now surround block level tags?
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  302. # [10:51] <mike5w3c> terryleigh: yes
  303. # [10:53] <terryleigh> Thanks.
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  334. # [11:51] <Moo^> vhsjon: chrome inspector, firebug
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  360. # [12:47] <terryleigh> Is it possible to make outline rounded with border-radius ?
  361. # [12:48] <vhsjon> Moo^: yeah, I ended up using the chrome inspector!
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  380. # [13:22] <qawsedrf> whats the best element to use to markup widgets ?
  381. # [13:22] <qawsedrf> like a webpage having multiple widgets, like the google analytics dashboard
  382. # [13:22] <qawsedrf> plain div? or article ? or section ?
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  729. # [21:17] <hudo> hello, how can i change foreground and background color from words in content?
  730. # [21:18] <greggies> sounds like a job for javascript
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  732. # [21:19] <greggies> oh, or maybe server side scripting i suppose, if you know what the content will be and if you're already using server side scripting
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  735. # [21:20] <hudo> hm, construction is like this, apache as proxy, apache calls external filter progs, which search the dedicated words, and should change color, and put this new stream to STDOUT , well to the browser
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  737. # [21:20] <hudo> i used with perl the following
  738. # [21:20] <hudo> $text =~ s{($elem)}{<font color="white" style="background-color:red">$1<\/font>}ig ;
  739. # [21:21] <greggies> ahh perl, cool
  740. # [21:21] <greggies> so are you looking for a better solution or...
  741. # [21:22] <hudo> so myword from stream will be replaced by <font color="white" style="background-color:red">myword<\/font>
  742. # [21:22] <hudo> well i dont know if its possible whitout the font color tag
  743. # [21:23] <greggies> ahh ok, yeah it's probably better not to use the font tag
  744. # [21:23] <hudo> and how do it ?
  745. # [21:23] <greggies> if it's a div or something you could do <div style="color:white; background-color:red"
  746. # [21:23] <greggies> or maybe better to do <div class="whatever"
  747. # [21:24] <hudo> hm, no the word can be "in the middle" of nowhere
  748. # [21:24] <hudo> eg all words like CPAN or modul in the html content
  749. # [21:24] <hudo> perl is cool, but slow
  750. # [21:24] <Moo^> hudo: <font> is deprecated and should not be used
  751. # [21:24] <vikash>
  752. # [21:25] <hudo> Moo^
  753. # [21:25] <greggies> ahh ok sorry. i thought you meant change the whole color based on words, not change the words
  754. # [21:25] <hudo> thatgs why i ask
  755. # [21:25] <Moo^> hudo: it would be probably faster to do it on the client-side using javascript, because server-side transformation would increase HTML payload size quite a lot
  756. # [21:25] <Moo^> also you can use DOM targetting on the client-side which is difficult from perl
  757. # [21:26] <hudo> Moo^ apache is on the client side, it is used as proxy and to filter/change the words,
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  759. # [21:26] <Moo^> hudo: no
  760. # [21:26] <Moo^> client = browser
  761. # [21:26] <Moo^> run javascript in browser
  762. # [21:26] <Moo^> that's how it is done nowadays :)
  763. # [21:27] <hudo> Moo^ no , apache gets the side, calls filter progs and ALL installed browsers can connect only through apache, so the processing has to be in apache
  764. # [21:28] <Moo^> hudo: no
  765. # [21:28] <Moo^> 1) you install a javascript in outgoing HTML
  766. # [21:28] <Moo^> 2) this javascript is run when user opens the page
  767. # [21:28] <Moo^> 3) javascript colors the word
  768. # [21:28] <Moo^> ah
  769. # [21:28] <Moo^> but you don't have word list?
  770. # [21:29] <Moo^> it is external?
  771. # [21:29] <hudo> yes sure
  772. # [21:29] <hudo> and the word list is not fix
  773. # [21:29] <Moo^> hudo: can you send the list to the browser?
  774. # [21:29] <Moo^> how long is it?
  775. # [21:29] <hudo> very long
  776. # [21:30] <hudo> but how do you color it with javascript ?
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  779. # [21:30] <hudo> at the end i wont use perl cause its to slow, i told so, i will take c++ with the boost libraries, they are very fast
  780. # [21:31] <hudo> but , the "main question" remains
  781. # [21:31] <Moo^> 1) choose page parts using DOM selectors (jQuery helps) 2) run through each elements innerText for matches 3) if there is match split that node to words and set CSS class for each word
  782. # [21:31] <Moo^> hudo: you do it like this on the server-side
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  784. # [21:31] <Moo^> 1) create a fcgi app 2) app loads wordlist to memory on init 3) app reloads wordlist when needed 4) app is used in the transformation chain
  785. # [21:31] <Moo^> don't recreate your perl process for each requset
  786. # [21:31] <hudo> if i find myword i will replace it with <font color="white" style="background-color:red">myword<\/font> using string -operations i think
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  788. # [21:32] <Moo^> also string replacement has huge possibilities for optimizations
  789. # [21:32] <hudo> uhh what is fcgi app ?
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  794. # [21:33] <Moo^> hudo: it is an app whose process lifecycle is not managed by apache and it communicates with apache using FCGI protocol
  795. # [21:34] <Moo^> hudo: but in any case, there questions fall outside HTML5 domain and I suggest you go to Apache specific forums to ask for further information
  796. # [21:35] <hudo> hm, not really apache but normal html , but i didnt found any here except the html5 group
  797. # [21:35] <hudo> ok, thx anyway for the ideas
  798. # [21:36] <hudo> but again you said hudo: <font> is deprecated and should not be used , what is state of the art ?
  799. # [21:37] <greggies> you could use a <span> i suppose, that would be better at least, but there may be something better
  800. # [21:38] <greggies> yeah looks like span is good http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10463741/coloring-a-single-word-with-css
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  803. # [21:42] <Moo^> hudo: span is correct
  804. # [21:42] <hudo> can you give my pls an example according to <font color="white" style="background-color:red">myword<\/font>
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  807. # [21:43] <greggies> like "yes i got it right"
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  809. # [21:43] <greggies> <span style="color:white; background-color:red">
  810. # [21:43] <hudo> thx
  811. # [21:43] <greggies> but you'd probably want to use a class
  812. # [21:43] <hudo> i will try it
  813. # [21:44] <greggies> for one, it'd end up being less html to send rather than having 20 of those style declarations
  814. # [21:45] <Moo^> greggies: let's do it like it was 1995 all again ;)
  815. # [21:46] <Velmont> hudo: Why not just use <mark>? And do mark { color:white; background:red; } in the stylesheet?
  816. # [21:46] <greggies> Moo^: haha, you mean like back to basics?
  817. # [21:46] <Velmont> <mark> is made to hilight stuff.
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  820. # [21:47] <greggies> ooh <mark>? cool. i had a feeling there might be something better
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  905. # [23:51] <johnwpayneerz> hello?
  906. # [23:51] <johnwpayneerz> anyone there?
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  908. # [23:51] <johnwpayneerz> #jquery
  909. # [23:52] <austincheney> i am here
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  911. # [23:57] <johnwpayneerz> may i link you so you can see the problem i am having with a jquery infinite scroll issue
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  913. # [23:59] <Moo^> johnwpayneerz: this is not jquery support channel, please try forums at http://jquery.com
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