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4. # [00:04] <David_Bradbury> Yup
5. # [00:04] <David_Bradbury> The second
6. # [00:04] <David_Bradbury> Is what I'd use
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53. # [00:46] <uf0_work> guys what's the best way for ie8 to get media queries? or what's a workaround?
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57. # [00:47] <uf0_work> trying to figure to out a good solution
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62. # [00:51] <uf0_work> css3-mediaqueries or respond.js?
63. # [00:51] <uf0_work> which shall I use?
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74. # [01:09] <sevenninety> Hello, trying to figure out how to create an html5 app that can export data on an ipad. possibly as a file attached to an email or via drop box. anyone know a helpful link?
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99. # [01:48] <graft> so... is there any way to style input=file text boxes or buttons in firefox using css?
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105. # [01:52] <grantg> hey paul_irish, so you saw google chrome apparently cannot hw accelerate stuff under 257x257 pixels when scaling with layout
106. # [01:53] <grantg> Found another bug, possibly worse
107. # [01:53] <grantg> If you have a page running and put your comp to sleep then re-open your comp, there's a weird chrome lockup
108. # [01:54] <grantg> I need to see if this is reported
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110. # [01:55] <paul_irish> grantg: yeah. saw that 257 thing. wild.
111. # [01:55] <grantg> seriously
112. # [01:55] <grantg> :P
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114. # [01:56] <grantg> So I guess you'd need to alloc more canvas than you need
115. # [01:56] <grantg> then clip at the end
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117. # [01:56] <grantg> or just scale in context2d fully
118. # [01:56] <grantg> definitely seems like a 256x256 texture bug in chrome anyhow
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129. # [02:05] <Moo^> grantg: my nose tell me that it might be driver specific, especially if it hangs after sleep
130. # [02:05] <grantg> nah
131. # [02:05] <grantg> it's a chrome bug
132. # [02:05] <grantg> it used to not happen
133. # [02:05] <grantg> it also happened to firefox until they fixed an audio bug in moz audio
134. # [02:06] <grantg> God, chrome hates my js gbc emu
135. # [02:06] <grantg> http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/ , run a game, close laptop, re-open, boom, cpu usage 100% and chrome is stuck
136. # [02:06] <Moo^> grantg: I think on the day it works flawlessly on every OS chrome is complete :)
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138. # [02:07] <grantg> Moo^: I love how I put a small ad on that page and now google says it has tallied up $30
139. # [02:07] <grantg> in two days
140. # [02:07] <grantg> wtf
141. # [02:07] <grantg> google adsense apparently likes that page
142. # [02:07] <grantg> I was just testing it
143. # [02:08] <grantg> to see what the hubub is all about with adsense
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157. # [02:35] <uf0_work> guys, what's best approach to ie media query? respond.js or ms conditionals
158. # [02:37] <paul_irish> uf0_work: conditionals
159. # [02:38] <paul_irish> imo, CC's and your MQs assuming desktop at 1024 or 1280.
160. # [02:38] <paul_irish> and then MQ to size up and down from there
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162. # [02:38] <paul_irish> mobile first MQs is a rouse.
163. # [02:41] <uf0_work> paul_irish: should it be a file though
164. # [02:42] <uf0_work> ?
165. # [02:42] <uf0_work> because i'm not sure how to do it in the HTML tag
166. # [02:42] <uf0_work> like then I would be duplicating styles
167. # [02:43] <uf0_work> example: <link href="desktop.css" media="screen and (min-width: 768px)" rel="stylesheet">
168. # [02:43] <uf0_work> <!--[if lt IE 9]>
169. # [02:43] <uf0_work> <link href="desktop.css" media="screen" rel="stylesheet">
170. # [02:43] <uf0_work> <![endif]-->
171. # [02:43] <tw2113> add IE classes to your html tag
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173. # [02:44] <uf0_work> the problem with that is
174. # [02:44] <uf0_work> I would be duplicating all the styles for a certain MQ for IE
175. # [02:44] <uf0_work> am I wrong? here
176. # [02:44] <uf0_work> i certainly understand using html tags to target IE for fixes
177. # [02:44] <tw2113> hasn't that always been an issue with IE only stuff?
178. # [02:44] <Moo^> uf0_work: the best approach for [any IE problem] is Google Chrome Frame :)
179. # [02:44] <tw2113> i said ie classes to the <html> tag
180. # [02:45] <uf0_work> yea exactly ie classes in the html tag
181. # [02:45] <uf0_work> I would pretty duplicate the whole MQ styles for IE
182. # [02:45] <uf0_work> rather than just doing a link href
183. # [02:45] <tw2113> what mobile devices use IE?
184. # [02:45] <uf0_work> which would avoid any duplication
185. # [02:45] <tw2113> then what's the issue?
186. # [02:46] <tw2113> just take on an extra http request
187. # [02:46] <uf0_work> the issue is
188. # [02:46] <uf0_work> whether I use seperate css files
189. # [02:46] <tw2113> yes, IE is an issue
190. # [02:46] <uf0_work> which will equal extra http requests
191. # [02:47] <uf0_work> but I'll avoid any code duplication
192. # [02:47] <tw2113> take whichever has the most tolerable issues
193. # [02:47] <uf0_work> because I'll be using link href
194. # [02:47] <uf0_work> if I use one single css file
195. # [02:47] <uf0_work> that has ALL mq queries
196. # [02:47] <uf0_work> and use conditionals on the <html> tag
197. # [02:47] <uf0_work> then I would be duplicating styles for IE.. literally all desktop styles
198. # [02:47] <uf0_work> in the same CSS file
199. # [02:48] <uf0_work> my question is
200. # [02:48] <uf0_work> which one do you guys prefer
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202. # [02:48] <uf0_work> in my opinion.. i think link href with ie conditionals is better
203. # [02:49] <tw2113> then go with that
204. # [02:49] <uf0_work> Moo^: :) google chrome frame not an option
205. # [02:49] <tw2113> all the options suck in some way
206. # [02:49] <Moo^> uf0_work: no, it is an opportunity ;)
207. # [02:50] <Moo^> I have Chinese government would mandate Google Chrome Frame on all computers
208. # [02:50] <Moo^> have/hope
209. # [02:50] <uf0_work> haha LMAO
210. # [02:50] <Moo^> what I am typing... sleepy time
211. # [02:50] <uf0_work> shit that would be great
212. # [02:50] <uf0_work> problem solved
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214. # [02:51] <Moo^> maybe there could be some kind of customs sanction that no IE is allowed to be imported to EU
215. # [02:52] <uf0_work> tw2113: the other question I had was if there's a way to do it with ie classes in html tag
216. # [02:52] <uf0_work> but avoiding duplication
217. # [02:52] <uf0_work> that would seal it.
218. # [02:53] <tw2113> well, wouldn't the idea be using the IE classes to just override the parts that are breaking in IE?
219. # [02:53] <uf0_work> but I don't think it's possible.. at least that I know of
220. # [02:53] <tw2113> not repeat EVERYTHING
221. # [02:53] <tw2113> just the parts that break
222. # [02:53] <uf0_work> tw2113: if we're doing mobile first approach
223. # [02:53] <uf0_work> IE would simply load like a mobile site
224. # [02:54] <uf0_work> you get that part right?
225. # [02:54] <tw2113> i'm still not sure what mobile uses IE
226. # [02:54] <uf0_work> no no
227. # [02:54] <uf0_work> I'm talking about regular old IE8 on a desktop :)
228. # [02:54] <tw2113> fuck it
229. # [02:54] <uf0_work> not mobile IE
230. # [02:54] <tw2113> :D
231. # [02:54] <uf0_work> haha
232. # [02:54] <uf0_work> if it were my yes.. I'd say fuck you IE
233. # [02:54] <uf0_work> take care
234. # [02:55] <uf0_work> so hence the reason i'd have to repeat everything
235. # [02:55] <uf0_work> you get what i mean there?
236. # [02:55] <tw2113> aren't you going to have a 1024px+ stylesheet anyway?
237. # [02:55] <greggies> internet explorer, seems like we hardly knew ye
238. # [02:55] <tw2113> wouldn't that take over after the queries?
239. # [02:56] <greggies> Internet Explorer 1995-2012 (god, how awesome would that be)
240. # [02:56] <Moo^> internet explorer, I wasted my teenage years and half of my adulthood with you. no regrets.
241. # [02:56] <uf0_work> well.. that's the thing.. the "right" way.. is have all mq in a single file
242. # [02:56] <uf0_work> doing it the right way.. would equal IE not loading MQ because
243. # [02:56] <uf0_work> MQ is obviously not supported in IE8 and below
244. # [02:56] <uf0_work> so..
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246. # [02:57] <uf0_work> but this will all be easier like i said before
247. # [02:57] <uf0_work> if I seperate the files
248. # [02:57] <uf0_work> and have multiple css files
249. # [02:57] <tw2113> so do that?
250. # [02:57] <uf0_work> yeah lol :).. i think i'ma do that
251. # [02:57] <tw2113> glad you could solve your own questions
252. # [02:57] <uf0_work> i'm just wondering if there any tricks by the masters here
253. # [02:57] <paul_irish> multiple for all MQs?
254. # [02:57] <uf0_work> on avoiding that
255. # [02:57] <paul_irish> sounds terrible.
256. # [02:58] <uf0_work> see :)
257. # [02:58] <uf0_work> paul_irish: it sounds terrible..
258. # [02:58] <uf0_work> so what then?
259. # [02:58] <paul_irish> brb
260. # [02:58] <tw2113> yes, IE catering does sound terrible
261. # [02:59] <uf0_work> tw2113: if this were my site.. man I'd just support browsers that support MQ period
262. # [02:59] <uf0_work> but it's not the case..
263. # [02:59] <uf0_work> then this issue wouldn't be an issue
264. # [02:59] <tw2113> last i checked...you had a stylesheet for yur non-MQ based visitors
265. # [02:59] <tw2113> and then MQ styles for those on mobile
266. # [03:00] <tw2113> and my guess is that IE would ignore everything inside the MQ's
267. # [03:02] <uf0_work> yea that make sense if you're building from desktop down no?
268. # [03:02] <uf0_work> if i'm building a site responsively
269. # [03:02] <uf0_work> something like this
270. # [03:02] <uf0_work> <link href="master.css" rel="stylesheet">
271. # [03:03] <uf0_work> the master.css file would have the MQs in it I assume
272. # [03:03] <tw2113> i realize what you're doing
273. # [03:03] <tw2113> but you're still going to have 1024+ styles
274. # [03:03] <uf0_work> vs
275. # [03:03] <uf0_work> <link href="desktop.css" media="screen and (min-width: 768px)" rel="stylesheet">
276. # [03:03] <uf0_work> right..
277. # [03:03] <tw2113> so what's the issue?
278. # [03:04] <uf0_work> err.. well the issue is Paul Irish just said it's sounds terrible
279. # [03:04] <uf0_work> :)
280. # [03:04] <tw2113> i think he also said that mobile first isn't that great
281. # [03:04] <uf0_work> really?
282. # [03:04] <uf0_work> I missed that part
283. # [03:05] <tw2113> [07:31pm] <paul_irish> mobile first MQs is a rouse.
284. # [03:05] <uf0_work> hmmm that's interesting
285. # [03:05] <tw2113> i think the real issue is figuring out the cascade aspect of CSS and what parts need to be overridden
286. # [03:06] <tw2113> and in my mind, most of the mobile stuff is actually related to the content aspect anyway
287. # [03:07] <tw2113> i can't help but agree with planning content for a mobile size and working around that
288. # [03:07] <tw2113> what parts are most important
289. # [03:08] <paul_irish> zomigi has a good post on this
290. # [03:08] <paul_irish> and
291. # [03:08] <paul_irish> somewhere in the epic thread was my preferred solution
292. # [03:08] <uf0_work> link?
293. # [03:09] <paul_irish> getting
294. # [03:09] <paul_irish> http://zomigi.com/blog/essential-considerations-for-crafting-quality-media-queries/
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296. # [03:09] <paul_irish> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/issues/816#issuecomment-2512805
297. # [03:09] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #816 on html5-boilerplate (paulirish; 6m, 3w ago): Revert mobile-first media queries and remove respond.js
298. # [03:09] <paul_irish> check nicolas's post in there.
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300. # [03:10] <tw2113> i get the feeling i should subscribe to zomigi's rss
301. # [03:10] <uf0_work> paul_irish: is a solution to IE in the post as well?
302. # [03:10] <paul_irish> ya
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304. # [03:10] * tw2113 wagers there is no great IE solution in a MQ world
305. # [03:11] <tw2113> other than getting everyone upgraded
306. # [03:11] <paul_irish> but you see "Separate files with CC approaches " in my commnet?
307. # [03:11] <uf0_work> paul_irish: to confirm you also don't like the idea of mobile first approach?
308. # [03:11] <uf0_work> checking..
309. # [03:11] <paul_irish> i dont see the point.
310. # [03:11] * tw2113 files that next to "semantic tags" :D
311. # [03:12] <tw2113> actually that's cruel
312. # [03:12] <tw2113> you see the point, just don't bother
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314. # [03:12] <tw2113> much
315. # [03:12] <tw2113> i'll just shut up
316. # [03:12] <uf0_work> i think the point is, simply styles first
317. # [03:12] <paul_irish> i suppose its similar..
318. # [03:12] <uf0_work> but let me keep reading..
319. # [03:12] <paul_irish> it's a "do it this way for idealistic and potentially real reasons."
320. # [03:12] <paul_irish> vs "lets look at data and decide."
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324. # [03:13] <boogyman> so would you be a proponent for having separate templates and all for mobile?
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326. # [03:13] <paul_irish> for an app, yes
327. # [03:13] <paul_irish> for a site, no
328. # [03:14] <paul_irish> the blurry line in between those, depends.
329. # [03:16] <uf0_work> scratches head..
330. # [03:16] <uf0_work> man oh man.. all this time is like yay alot of top guys advocating for mobile first
331. # [03:16] <uf0_work> then paul_irish says errr wait a sec..
332. # [03:16] <uf0_work> that's interesting
333. # [03:17] <uf0_work> it's making me rethink lol
334. # [03:17] <paul_irish> lots of smarts in that thread
335. # [03:17] <paul_irish> but, our community has a tendency to hop on a train before it's proven its legitimacy
336. # [03:18] <boogyman> uf0_work: sometimes going against the status quo is a good thing. if you're going to defy convention (or logic) then have a purpose
337. # [03:18] <uf0_work> I see
338. # [03:18] <tw2113> uf0_work, i'll let you in on a secret
339. # [03:19] <tw2113> paul_irish is not a guaranteed top dog final say person
340. # [03:19] <tw2113> he's a smart guy, but he's still just a guy with an opinion and his own way of doing things
341. # [03:19] <paul_irish> the last time i called a technique i made "bulletproof" it underwent three revisions.
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343. # [03:20] <uf0_work> tw2113: yeah I learned that today
344. # [03:20] <uf0_work> btw the post is awesome!
345. # [03:20] <boogyman> now you're talking like cederholm
346. # [03:21] <uf0_work> simplebits
347. # [03:21] <tw2113> paul_irish for my own curiosity, did you apply at google or did they approach you?
348. # [03:21] <paul_irish> latter
349. # [03:21] <tw2113> the better one, awesome
350. # [03:23] * tw2113 dreams of Mozilla approaching me
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356. # [03:35] <uf0_work> article pretty much answered all my questions
357. # [03:36] <uf0_work> tw2113: thanks for the input!
358. # [03:36] <uf0_work> paul_irish: thanks for the article!
359. # [03:36] <paul_irish> dope
360. # [03:36] <paul_irish> what approach you gonna use
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364. # [03:37] <uf0_work> I'm gonna sit-down with the back-end guy.. to see what he thinks
365. # [03:37] <uf0_work> but I'm thinking about it
366. # [03:37] <uf0_work> from the article.. he advocates embedding all your MQs into one
367. # [03:38] <uf0_work> BUT in order for me to use CC it would need to be external
368. # [03:38] <uf0_work> so there's a give and take there
369. # [03:38] <uf0_work> and then of course there's respond.js
370. # [03:38] <uf0_work> and be done with it
371. # [03:38] <uf0_work> I haven't made up my mind.. but there are various options here..
372. # [03:39] <uf0_work> I know you're against having multiple files.. but if in a production site
373. # [03:39] <uf0_work> everything get's minified
374. # [03:39] <uf0_work> what are your thoughts on that?
375. # [03:39] <uf0_work> just curious
376. # [03:39] <boogyman> being minified doesn't solve all of your problems
377. # [03:40] <uf0_work> it doesn't.. but it does make multiple CSS files one file when going to prod
378. # [03:40] <tw2113> minification solves other issues
379. # [03:40] <uf0_work> just mentioning it though.. I still am gonna think about which way to go..
380. # [03:41] <uf0_work> for me personally, like just from a pure css standpoint.. I love having all my shit in one file
381. # [03:41] <uf0_work> but this is a team.. so we'll see..
382. # [03:42] <tw2113> and doesn't minifying do that?
383. # [03:42] <tw2113> in the end?
384. # [03:42] <tw2113> 1 file
385. # [03:42] <uf0_work> yeah it does..
386. # [03:42] <tw2113> at the cost of a few ms of processing power
387. # [03:43] <uf0_work> I was just saying personally
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389. # [03:44] <uf0_work> from the article he writes..
390. # [03:44] <uf0_work> "In either case, you’ll need to have your media queries separated into external sheets, not embedded in a single sheet along with your default styles."
391. # [03:44] <uf0_work> that's if we use CC
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393. # [03:46] <uf0_work> anyways.. various options.. get 'er done
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490. # [07:42] <jaami> hi guys
491. # [07:42] <jaami> can someone help me to setup my new domain with webhosting server?
492. # [07:42] <dr0id> no :D
493. # [07:43] <jaami> please help me, the domain is free and have limited time to setup before it is canceled
494. # [07:43] <jaami> i want to use the site for my html learning
495. # [07:44] <jaami> i dont know how to set domain records, DNS and A, C, etc ..
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500. # [07:52] <mr_lou> jaami, You don't need all that to learn HTML. You don't even need a server. HTML and Javascript can be run locally from your own harddisk. Only if you want to include server-side scripting, such as PHP, will you need a server, and this can be installed on your own machine too.
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509. # [08:09] <jaami> mr_lou: thank you. infact yesterday somebody suggested to get website where they can see my work and help me to improve it.
510. # [08:10] <mr_lou> jaami, You can get lots of free websites online without the need of setting up dns.
511. # [08:10] <divya> jaami use http://jsfiddle.net
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514. # [08:11] <jaami> perhaps i made mistake by getting domain and webhosting from 2 different companies.
515. # [08:13] <jaami> guys, all i need is to make a home page from PSD with your help and rest of pages i can make on my own. that what i requested yesterday and i was suggested to get website
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520. # [08:13] <jaami> i can upload code but images are also important
521. # [08:14] <jaami> so, i thought getting site is bteer idea
522. # [08:15] <jaami> divya: thank you for the link. its good one
523. # [08:16] <jaami> im really excited to have my own website for the first time
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525. # [08:17] <jaami> i think setting up domain DNS and records is not rocket science and you guys can do it in few minutes
526. # [08:18] <greggies> the site you bought the domain from probably has help documents
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528. # [08:18] <greggies> or you could find a tutorial by searching for the company name
529. # [08:18] <greggies> hover, godaddy, etc.
530. # [08:19] <jaami> yes the site has some information but i am always confused with things like A recod, C record MX etc..
531. # [08:19] <greggies> most of that stuff you can usually leave blank
532. # [08:19] <greggies> really what you need probably is the nameserver
533. # [08:19] <jaami> can you help me to setup domain
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535. # [08:20] <jaami> please do it. for you it may be matter of just few minutes
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537. # [08:20] <greggies> sorry, it'd be too weird
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539. # [08:21] <jaami> weird? lol, why ?
540. # [08:21] <jaami> i do not see nothing weired in helping ?
541. # [08:22] <jaami> comeon, now you will have to do it
542. # [08:23] <jaami> already sign in to my both domain and webhosting accounts
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545. # [08:25] <jaami> thanks
546. # [08:26] <jaami> greggies: you never told me why it was weird?
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552. # [08:32] <dr0id> so if one of my input control has the html5 required attribute, and I display: none; the parent, the control is still considered to be required and the form won't submit unless there's some value inside the control ?
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556. # [08:37] <dr0id> wow, indeed :/ probably not the desirable behaviour.
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665. # [11:45] <david_bru> hello hello. i'm right now working on a small game, but i have one problem: on page load the background sound should start automatically. this works fine on desktop (tested in safari and firefox - both mac) and on android, but on iOs (tested on an iPhone and an iPad) it just won't start the background sound automatically
666. # [11:46] <david_bru> http://dl.i-am-alive.at/work/audio/ is the page where you can tried it for yourself
667. # [11:47] <david_bru> any idea why it's not working as it should? is it a html5 problem or a jquery problem?
668. # [11:47] <david_bru> any help is highly appreciated..
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671. # [11:51] <david_bru> original audio play code is taken from here: http://jnjnjn.com/187/playing-audio-on-the-ipad-with-html5-and-javascript/
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745. # [13:45] <mokush> is there any way to prevent the 'select-scroll' behaviour? without position:fixed
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755. # [13:54] <Jon47> can you elaborate on what the 'select-scroll' behavior is?
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767. # [14:26] <_shorinji_> anyone here developing with accessibility first?
768. # [14:28] <_shorinji_> wondering how to make links and buttons on a page that triggers scripts somewhat accessible. current idea is to use anchor tags which title and other attributes set
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770. # [14:28] <_shorinji_> since there is no general semantic "action" element what I know
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773. # [14:30] <moo-_-> _shorinji_: make buttons links
774. # [14:30] <moo-_-> and links act as normal links as fallback
775. # [14:30] <moo-_-> which go to static HTML page
776. # [14:30] <moo-_-> doing the same action as JS pop-ups and stuff
777. # [14:30] <_shorinji_> how will they differ in a screen reader?
778. # [14:31] <moo-_-> e.g. in Plone (http://plone.org, very good accessibility record)... Hitting Add... menu will normally open a pop-up menu where you can choose which content type to add. Howver, if Javascript is disabled you are taken to a page which has a radio button form doing the same task.
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780. # [14:32] <_shorinji_> in simpler interfaces with only "links" and "button" type elements, it's not that hard
781. # [14:32] <_shorinji_> but in the era of widgets, things get more blurry
782. # [14:32] <moo-_-> ah
783. # [14:32] <moo-_-> I see your point
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785. # [14:32] <_shorinji_> we're currently working on a "selector" widget, which moves elements from one list to another
786. # [14:33] <_shorinji_> current plan is to use a-elements for the elements, which adds info on what the action is, when the user clicks it
787. # [14:33] <_shorinji_> "the elements" here referring to list items
788. # [14:35] <_shorinji_> anchor elements seem to recieve tab-focus also, which is nice
789. # [14:35] <_shorinji_> would be nice to see if there is a discussion somewhere about these issues
790. # [14:35] <_shorinji_> a discussion that I could understand even :)
791. # [14:36] <_shorinji_> understanding aria and similar specs is no easy deal
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834. # [15:59] <_shorinji_> anyone know if there's a lint tool for less css?
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871. # [16:33] <Leemp> Question.. with the history api, if you subscribe to a popstate event, how would to stop the browser navigating away from the page? Ie, your goal would be to be notified of a single link being clicked in the browser, and then stop the browser so you can load json in the background for faster page loads.
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873. # [16:33] <Leemp> I've been going through the source of a couple libraries that seem to do this, but i'm thus far unable to decipher how they manage this.
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876. # [16:34] <Leemp> Compare that to http://html5demos.com/history, where they seem to use a hacky method of adding click handlers to all links (which can get complicated)
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926. # [17:32] <Weasel-Soup> Hi, for the video element, i have seen somewhere (maybe the HTML5 specs) that if you provide different source file form the same container (eg: MP4) with different codecs profile (eg: "avc1.4D401F" (H264 MainProfile@L3.1) and avc1.42E01E (H264 BaselineProfile@L3.0)) the browser pick the first it can play. My question is : does it select from the codec directly or try to load and if fail pick the next one ?. (Bonus does Safari and Chrome
927. # [17:32] <Weasel-Soup> work like that ?, especially for Safari on mobile devices like iPad)
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1054. # [19:25] <David_Bradbury> So I have a web app that I'm looking to develop that works offline using the application cache. Is there a way I can see how much of the manifest has been downloaded?
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1059. # [19:29] <edwardbc> David_Bradbury the window.applicationCache `progress` event gives you the current progress now
1060. # [19:29] <edwardbc> afaik
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1062. # [19:30] <edwardbc> .applicationCache.addEventListener('progress', function(progress) { console.log(progress.loaded , progress.total) } );
1063. # [19:30] <edwardbc> that should work
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1065. # [19:31] <David_Bradbury> Awesome :)
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1067. # [19:31] <David_Bradbury> A client wants us to turn an iPad website into an offline version... That has a good 500MB of images
1068. # [19:32] <edwardbc> oh
1069. # [19:32] <edwardbc> sounds like ft.com
1070. # [19:32] <edwardbc> (mobile version), has a download indicator and everything
1071. # [19:32] <edwardbc> the HTMl5 Spec has one too: http://developers.whatwg.org/
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1074. # [19:33] <David_Bradbury> Very similar, just not as fancy. The website is going to be loaded locally and not be online at all, then will be served as an 'app'
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1076. # [19:34] <David_Bradbury> I do love the way the Financial Times pulled off their page though
1077. # [19:34] <edwardbc> Yes, i was amazed when i first tried it offline and worked like a charm, and it's not that new
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1081. # [19:36] <edwardbc> what I'm not sure if about storing 500Mb on the offlineStorage is optimal, last time I considered saving a 250MB db and decided not to, for performance reasons
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1083. # [19:40] <David_Bradbury> Well, the images are only accessed 4 or 5 at a time, and download time isn't an issue
1084. # [19:40] <David_Bradbury> Since it's for their own in-house use
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1092. # [19:47] <toringe> ls
1093. # [19:47] <edwardbc> home/ etc/ user/
1094. # [19:47] <toringe> whoops, I thought I was inside a terminal ..
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1096. # [19:47] <edwardbc> welcome to multiplayer notepad
1097. # [19:48] <David_Bradbury> Heh
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1101. # [19:51] <edwardbc> David_Bradbury I'd be interested to know how mobile safari behaves with such a big database :p
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1106. # [20:00] <divya> fwiw, there is more responsive discussion on #whatwg now.
1107. # [20:01] <divya> (if anyone interested)
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1152. # [20:54] <tw2113> stupid question...how do you toggle between hex and rgb in firebug? :D
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1173. # [21:38] <paul_irish> tw2113: wat
1174. # [21:38] <tw2113> was hoping to have firebug show me rgb values instead of hex
1175. # [21:40] <jarek> tw2113: last time I used Firebug was around 2010 and it was not possible back then
1176. # [21:40] <tw2113> *kicks dirt*
1177. # [21:41] <tw2113> native inspector does at least
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1179. # [21:49] <Jon47> chrome dev tools gives you options: Hex, RGB, HSL, or As Authored
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1181. # [21:52] <philihp> i always see HSL and think ASL.
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1187. # [21:57] <uf0_work> tw2113: yo do you use sublime text?
1188. # [21:57] <uf0_work> i'm hearing a lot about it
1189. # [21:58] <uf0_work> my main thing does it have good auto=completion
1190. # [21:58] <uf0_work> with CSS
1191. # [21:58] <tw2113> yup i use it
1192. # [21:58] <tw2113> i think the css complete is decent
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1195. # [22:01] <jarek> uf0_work: it's the best text editor ever made
1196. # [22:02] <jarek> uf0_work: I was using Gedit and Vim before, but Sublime feels much smoother
1197. # [22:02] <uf0_work> cool
1198. # [22:02] <uf0_work> yea ima give it a shot then
1199. # [22:02] <tw2113> gedit...egh
1200. # [22:02] <tw2113> granted zencoding for gedit is better still imho
1201. # [22:03] <tw2113> i like being able to type ul>li*5 and getting an unordered list with 5 items
1202. # [22:04] <tw2113> but once you get used to ST, it proves worth your money
1203. # [22:05] <jarek> Sublime seems to be much more configurable than Gedit
1204. # [22:05] <tw2113> that's true
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1206. # [22:05] <tw2113> and i would attribute it to being cross platform
1207. # [22:05] <jarek> also, Gedit is not really multiplatform
1208. # [22:05] <tw2113> try to find gedit on win/mac
1209. # [22:06] <jarek> OSX port crashes a lot and uses GTK
1210. # [22:06] <jarek> but at least it does not require X11
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1214. # [22:09] <moo-_-> uf0_work: http://opensourcehacker.com/2012/05/11/sublime-text-2-tips-for-python-and-web-developers/
1215. # [22:09] <moo-_-> fresh from the bakery :)
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1234. # [22:22] <unomi> I'm not having much luck finding examples of HTML5 Drag and Drop that shows dragging a proxy object in Chrome
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1236. # [22:22] <unomi> am I just having bad luck or am I having the horrible luck of only being able to present a "document icon" when dragging?
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1239. # [22:25] <moo-_-> paul_irish: thanks for the link love <3
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1272. # [23:00] <paul_irish> moo-_-: what link
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1275. # [23:03] <moo-_-> paul_irish: sublime
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1285. # [23:16] <uf0_work> moo-_-: thanks for that link
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1291. # [23:23] <uf0_work> :) about to purchase sublime
1292. # [23:23] <uf0_work> I hope it
1293. # [23:23] <uf0_work> it's worth it*
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1299. # [23:29] <moo-_-> uf0_work: I think it's the best your money can buy currently
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1302. # [23:31] <uf0_work> :)
1303. # [23:31] <uf0_work> cool
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1305. # [23:32] <uf0_work> the only bad thing is I have to pay via paypal
1306. # [23:32] <uf0_work> ill
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1309. # [23:33] <uf0_work> am I the only having issues trying to go to css-tricks.com?
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1314. # [23:40] <moo-_-> uf0_work: works from here
1315. # [23:43] <uf0_work> odd it's struggling here..
1316. # [23:43] <uf0_work> tried on another remote computer via vpn
1317. # [23:43] <uf0_work> and works there
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1319. # [23:44] <uf0_work> for whatever reason it's not loading on my actual computer
1320. # [23:44] <uf0_work> weird
1321. # [23:44] <edwardbc_> flushdns?
1322. # [23:45] <uf0_work> haven't tried that.. let me see
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1325. # [23:46] <uf0_work> nada
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1328. # [23:49] <moo-_-> uf0_work: what does ping css-tricks.com tell?
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1331. # [23:52] <uf0_work> sec
1332. # [23:52] <zapa> 64 bytes from css-tricks.com (64.13.251.230): icmp_req=10 ttl=50 time=87.2 ms
1333. # [23:52] <uf0_work> 64 bytes from 64.13.251.230: icmp_seq=0 ttl=48 time=77.725 ms
1334. # [23:53] <uf0_work> normal or not?
1335. # [23:53] <zapa> normal
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1337. # [23:53] <zapa> ping google and compare
1338. # [23:53] <zapa> or ba-k.com
1339. # [23:53] <uf0_work> 15ms
1340. # [23:54] <uf0_work> average
1341. # [23:54] <uf0_work> that's from google
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1343. # [23:54] <uf0_work> gonna try something on my internet router.. could be just me
1344. # [23:55] <uf0_work> router*
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