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- # [00:01] * tw2113 needs to figure out how to utilize build systems better as well as create unit tests
- # [00:05] <grantg> tw2113: Now write unit tests in machine code
- # [00:05] <grantg> :P
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- # [00:18] <uf0_work> tw2113: snippet worked out perfectly
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- # [03:06] <|Kellan|> Hi Everyone, I am redesigning my companies home page. We are a movie company. I am having a hard time deciding what is semantic for our photo gallery on our front page. Our page has 4 major sections. The first contains an image slider with our featured movies. The next section is a photo gallery of our 12 latest releases. 3rd section is photos of the stars we represent then finally DVD movie covers. Article doesn't seem right. I chose
- # [03:06] <|Kellan|> section but I am not sure it is right either.
- # [03:09] <uf0_work> what's your question then?
- # [03:11] <|Kellan|> What tag should I put a section of images in.
- # [03:12] <|Kellan|> If I use section is it semantically incorrect?
- # [03:14] <uf0_work> yea sure, if to you it is a section.. go for it!
- # [03:14] <uf0_work> and if you're stuck
- # [03:14] <uf0_work> then easy
- # [03:14] <uf0_work> use a <div> !
- # [03:15] <|Kellan|> ok thank you
- # [03:16] <uf0_work> no prob
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- # [07:19] <drgeb> how does one create a complex prompt window ?
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- # [07:26] <jair> guys I am pulling my hair here, I am trying to test the video tag in a simple web page I am trying to export: http://www.vopencloud.com
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- # [07:26] <jair> what am I doing wrong that the video is not working
- # [07:26] <jair> the video is converted into three different formats .mp4 .ogg and webm
- # [07:27] <jair> my understanding is that google chrome can open mp4
- # [07:27] <tw2113> i see no OGG
- # [07:27] <jair> tw2113: it is on his way :P
- # [07:27] <jair> tw2113: but I thought that webm was supported by firefox 12
- # [07:28] <jair> that's what I am using and I also test with chrome and still nothing...
- # [07:28] <tw2113> my guess is server issue to be honest
- # [07:28] <tw2113> specifically the MIME type support
- # [07:29] <drgeb> I have form where I want the user to enter multiple data inputs but one of the entries is for a geolocation so for this I want the user to click on a button and have a window pop up with a map and here they can set the location and click done and the value is entered back on main page
- # [07:29] <drgeb> is there an example i can look at for something like this ?
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- # [07:30] <tw2113> jair http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/video/basics/
- # [07:30] <jair> tw2113: I do have the mime types all available in the apache server
- # [07:31] <tw2113> added stuff like AddType video/ogg .ogv to your htaccess?
- # [07:31] <jair> tw2113: is this because of a path in the web server?
- # [07:31] <jair> hmm I don't think I need to mess with htaccess I think /etc/mime.types is all I need
- # [07:32] <tw2113> http://www.vopencloud.com/videos/rie.wbem gives me 404
- # [07:32] <tw2113> helps to not typo your file format
- # [07:33] <tw2113> jair
- # [07:34] <jair> tw2113: I will check where do I have typos?
- # [07:34] <tw2113> wbem vs webm
- # [07:34] <jair> hahaha I am so sorry!
- # [07:35] <jair> let me fix that
- # [07:36] <jair> tw2113: that works :P
- # [07:36] <tw2113> i still have to question your MIME type stuff from the server
- # [07:37] <tw2113> not working yet for Firefox Aurora
- # [07:37] <jair> tw2113: right, I don't have the ogv file there yet I will add it now
- # [07:37] <tw2113> guess it doesn't support webm yet
- # [07:37] <jair> ohhh ok you mean it should work with webm
- # [07:37] <jair> I heard it does but I need to add some extra stuff
- # [07:40] <jair> tw2113: I am sending the ogv file now
- # [07:41] <tw2113> hmm, MDN is saying Firefox 4.0 for WebM but yeah
- # [07:42] <jair> tw2113: not works in firefox (using version 12)
- # [07:43] <jair> tw2113: sorry I mean it works
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- # [07:43] <jair> now I am wondering if I can get rid of those extra spaces in the video and put it with a nice border and center it
- # [07:43] <jair> I guess I will check the page you gave me
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- # [07:47] <jair> will also need to make the rounded corners, should I use css3?
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- # [07:47] <jair> I know some of this things can be done with pure html5
- # [07:48] <tw2113> not sure I've ever seen Firefox work with WebM yet, to be honest
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- # [07:49] <tw2113> html for markup, css for styling
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- # [07:49] <tw2113> and of course use css3 rounded corners
- # [07:49] <tw2113> would you rather make images for the corners? of course not
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- # [07:51] <jair> :) I will go with css3 now then :)
- # [07:51] <jair> tw2113: thank you man that typo was driving me crazy...
- # [07:51] <tw2113> there are many more worthy things to go crazy to
- # [07:52] <tw2113> like women and forced IE6-7 support
- # [07:52] <jair> I really appreciate your help, I will try to get this video a little nicer ;)
- # [07:52] <jair> hahahaha
- # [07:53] <jair> tw2113: the girl dancing in the video is driving me crazy :P
- # [07:53] <tw2113> can't help you there
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- # [07:54] <jair> np I met her in Japan and I am trying to make something fun out of the first time we met. so let's see how it looks after some css3 and more video editing
- # [07:54] <jair> tw2113: I will be working on css3 ttyl
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- # [08:23] <jair> tw2113: I wonder how can I make the Japanese characters to show correctly in the title :(
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- # [08:23] <jair> I am adding a tittle to the page in english and Japanese
- # [08:23] <tw2113> no idea
- # [08:24] <jair> my computer has the japanese characters and I can read and type in Japanese also other sites
- # [08:24] <jair> will google it
- # [08:24] <dr0id> your document is not utf-8 probably
- # [08:24] <dr0id> <meta charset="utf-8"> or set proper headers
- # [08:25] <dr0id> if it is a dynamic website where you are fetching the data from a DB, then make sure your DB connection is also utf8
- # [08:25] <dr0id> and if you are processing the title before display then you need to make sure there too.
- # [08:25] <dr0id> basically you need to have an idea of what you are doing :P
- # [08:28] <jair> dr0id: :) alright sounds good, I will check for that line you mentioned <meta charset="utf-8">
- # [08:28] <jair> dr0id: I also need to add the line for the css3 file
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- # [08:28] <dr0id> well, not really
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- # [08:29] <jair> dr0id: not really but I like to keep the css3 style sheet in a separate directory/file
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- # [08:34] <jair> dr0id: all set the meta line fixed the Japanese characters :P
- # [08:34] <jair> tw2113: this is getting interesting :)
- # [08:34] <dr0id> good, now go and learn the rest of html5 semantics from Dorris.
- # [08:34] <jair> huh?
- # [08:34] <jair> dr0id: from Dorris?
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- # [08:41] <jair> dr0id: seriously who is Dorris?
- # [08:41] <jair> I am checking if there is an author or book or something like that?
- # [08:41] <dr0id> I want someone else to take that question :D
- # [08:41] <dr0id> ok, google "Dorris knows html5"
- # [08:41] <jair> ok
- # [08:42] <jair> I think you mean "Doris Chen"?
- # [08:43] <jair> is this correct? Doris Chen?
- # [08:44] <dr0id> ye
- # [08:44] <jair> dr0id: dude you were killing me I could not find any "Dorris"
- # [08:44] <dr0id> oh I am sorry
- # [08:45] <jair> np I got it and will take a look at her since she is chinese she will have good stuff for asian languages
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- # [11:43] <jaami> hi guys
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- # [11:43] <jaami> i got my website please check jaami.co.cc
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- # [11:45] <jaami> im trying to make a home page in html5 wich you can see when you click on HTML5 logo
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- # [11:45] <TheOnlyMerlin> Howdy
- # [11:45] <jaami> goody
- # [11:46] <TheOnlyMerlin> Just started on your website?
- # [11:46] <jaami> oh yes, hardly got one page up :)
- # [11:46] <TheOnlyMerlin> So, it's a personal, messing-around website?
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- # [11:47] <jaami> i have uploaded few PSDs which i want to use as sample
- # [11:47] <TheOnlyMerlin> Ahh, I see.
- # [11:47] <jaami> hmm, not messing-around website:) infact need to fix it to make it look better
- # [11:48] <jaami> here is link for PSD http://jaami.co.cc/tshirt/PSD/
- # [11:48] <jaami> i want to complete home page with help of you guys
- # [11:49] <TheOnlyMerlin> I actually haven't messed around with HTML 5 so much so far. I am working on a school department website and need to keep it semi-functional for older browsers.
- # [11:49] <jaami> i did try but without right direction i waste more time
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- # [11:50] <jaami> ahan, you are right HTML5 and CSS3 mixup is great for corss-browser and platforms
- # [11:50] <TheOnlyMerlin> Well, I actually have avoided due to limitations on older browsers. (I think there was a misunderstanding)
- # [11:51] <TheOnlyMerlin> However, for my own projects, I think I will be wanting to use HTML 5 because I feel I have more freedom.
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- # [11:51] <jaami> yeh, there are ways , even IE6 can be supported
- # [11:52] <TheOnlyMerlin> I am largely of the opinion that my site doesn't have to be great in IE6, it just has to be functional
- # [11:52] <TheOnlyMerlin> If they don't want it ugly, then they can update, lol
- # [11:52] <jaami> the best part i like with HTML5 is replace ment of flash
- # [11:52] <TheOnlyMerlin> I think there are several non-adobe groups that like that
- # [11:53] <gildean> lots of companies have dropped support for ie6
- # [11:53] <gildean> like google
- # [11:54] <jaami> yeh, every time i have to update my flash player to keep using it. i hate that updates. all i use it for is viedos on youtube, what the fuk i need update for? lol
- # [11:54] <gildean> jaami: security
- # [11:54] <gildean> you don't want your computer hijacked to a botnet just beacuse you didn't update flash
- # [11:55] <jaami> hmm , sucurity? does it mean flash is threat or vulnerable to threats, or more and more hackers like flash for attacks?
- # [11:55] <TheOnlyMerlin> Yeah, I am now aiming for (on my large viewer support sites) IE6-7 be functional (it can be ugly, whatever) and have it work solidly in IE 8+
- # [11:55] <jaami> so, flash itself is not secure because of its name, or may be company
- # [11:56] <gildean> flash-player has provided lots of different attack-vectors throughout it's versions
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- # [11:56] <jaami> why flash eat up my cpu usage upto 65% sometime 90%?
- # [11:57] <TheOnlyMerlin> Inefficiencies somewhere.
- # [11:57] <TheOnlyMerlin> Either in the flash player itself, or in the file that is being ran
- # [11:57] <gildean> perhaps no hw-acceleration on videos?
- # [11:57] <gildean> hd-video is very cpu-intensive
- # [11:58] <jaami> TheOnlyMerlin: Good luck with your learning html5 and i am sure you will find many ways to support IE6 but i dont like IE6
- # [11:59] <TheOnlyMerlin> When I say "support IE 5" I might mean that it is literally just a very basic CSS stylesheet with a list of page links, and the copy. IE6 is likely to not even get pictures.
- # [11:59] <jaami> Adobe does not support Flex
- # [12:00] <jaami> yeh, IE6 and even more IE9 does not support HTML5 (if i am not wrong)
- # [12:00] <TheOnlyMerlin> I think I read somewhere about a "universal IE stylsheet" or something. Might jack that and just have older IE versions use that. They will be able to get the meat and potatoes they need.
- # [12:00] <gildean> ie9 does support html5
- # [12:01] <TheOnlyMerlin> Well, HTML5 (as far as I can tell) isn't fully supported by any browser. However, the newest ones support alot of core HTML 5 stuff
- # [12:01] <gildean> ie9 does not support all the new css3-properties tho'
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- # [12:02] <gildean> and that sucks
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- # [12:02] <TheOnlyMerlin> Yeah. IE hatred is standard pasttime in web dev
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- # [12:03] <jaami> i use Opera, what is your rating of mostly used browsers?
- # [12:04] <TheOnlyMerlin> Well, IE is still top but losing steam to chrome. Followed by firefox, then opera and safari.
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- # [12:04] <TheOnlyMerlin> Although mobile is becoming more and more of a concern for me. n
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- # [12:05] <jaami> yeh, mobile is important. Opera provide emulator with browser extensions or plugins
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- # [12:06] <TheOnlyMerlin> Right now I am trying to figure out the details of making a "website ecosystem" which would be a group of websites that share alot of resources and technologies.
- # [12:07] <TheOnlyMerlin> I am hoping, though, that alot of the stuff has already been made.
- # [12:07] <jaami> +the only problem to solve is something like Phonegap
- # [12:08] <TheOnlyMerlin> I have heard of phonegap, but know nothing about it.
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- # [12:09] <jaami> me too know little about phonegap. if you want to run your aapp on native mobile OS then you have to install phonegap on mobile . phonegap will make your app run on iphone or android
- # [12:09] <TheOnlyMerlin> I see. Seems interesting
- # [12:10] <jaami> yeh, intersting and the only option available so far. i am really looking forward to see alternate
- # [12:10] <jaami> the developer of phonegap is now with adobe.
- # [12:11] <TheOnlyMerlin> I have some broad concepts in that direction, but I am short several million in devlopment capital.
- # [12:11] <TheOnlyMerlin> I think I was hearing about that on a Sitepoint podcast.
- # [12:11] <jaami> i was looking into ways how Sencha Touch support mobile apps and finally Sencha depends upon phonegap
- # [12:12] <TheOnlyMerlin> I think Google is more looking in the direction of HTML 5 apps in the long run
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- # [12:13] <jaami> hmm, i not sure what to say. but there is big difference in browser based and nativly runing on OS
- # [12:14] <TheOnlyMerlin> I get the suspicion that the thinking is that they can: 1. Bridge that gap. 2. Once the gap is bridged, it is more than good enough for the vast majority of needs.
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- # [12:18] <jaami> personally i dont like browserbased apps. but you are right , anything is possible. any app with html5 with css3 and JQuery, if can be converted to native OS app then no doubt all other languages and tools wont be able to follow speed of development
- # [12:20] <jaami> basically, i want one platform or framework for all the browsers and all the OS and all the hardware
- # [12:21] <TheOnlyMerlin> Well, all this comes down to a central CS concept: abstraction.
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- # [12:22] <jaami> yeh, phonegap or VM like something can solve this problem
- # [12:23] <jaami> after every 2 years i am learning something new.
- # [12:23] <gildean> there are a lot of new things in development, like boot 2 gecko and google's dart
- # [12:24] <jaami> hmm, i see
- # [12:24] <gildean> so developing software will become even easier cross-platform
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- # [12:25] <jaami> jack of all trade is master of none. why i have to follow trends. the only language i still see alive is C/C++. i want to master one thing for all my needs.
- # [12:26] <gildean> well html5 will be around for quite a while
- # [12:26] <gildean> i'd suspect
- # [12:27] <gildean> and after learning a bit of dart, i'm really hoping it'll become what google has envisioned
- # [12:27] <TheOnlyMerlin> I would agree, but it is still in somewhat of a state of flx
- # [12:27] <gildean> true
- # [12:28] <gildean> a quote from wikipedia on dart: The goal of Dart is "ultimately to replace JavaScript as the lingua franca of web development on the open web platform."
- # [12:29] <jaami> hmm, stange. why replacement of JS? whats the big idea?
- # [12:29] <gildean> js is considered inherently broken by many
- # [12:29] <jaami> google want everything in control even my habbits :)
- # [12:31] <jaami> ahan, i see anothr thing breaking up over time
- # [12:31] <TheOnlyMerlin> I would like a serious overhall where you take the entire infrastructure and really break it down and consolidate it all together.
- # [12:33] <gildean> jaami: the thing about dart is that it's easier than js but it's compiled to js
- # [12:33] <jaami> depends upon who do it first. i dont know how java was sold to Oracle and 9 lines out of 15million line could be reson to get help from court
- # [12:34] <jaami> adobe gave flex to apache and sybase is long gone
- # [12:35] <jaami> and html5 was developed by microsoft, isnt it funny?
- # [12:37] <TheOnlyMerlin> For example, it ind of drives me nuts that I have HTML for alot of the markup, but CSS for visuals, but PHP for server side stuff, and javascript for client side. It seems like this could very muchbe sonsolidated into a single coherent technology / technology group.
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- # [12:38] <jaami> exacly, i think its war of companies otherwise solution is always in progress
- # [12:39] <jaami> simple rocket science is that Who makes more money
- # [12:41] <TheOnlyMerlin> People will perform the action that they percieve will most fulfill their motivations
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- # [12:44] <jaami> people like phonegap inventor are always there. they help in meltdown.
- # [12:45] <jaami> hmm, i forgot that i came to ask for help to make my homepage for tshirts
- # [12:46] <jaami> can someone help me to shapeup one page in html5 ?
- # [12:49] <TheOnlyMerlin> I may be able to do something, but I can;t promise much considering I have been working in pre-html5 and am sleepy, and about to go to bed.
- # [12:50] <jaami> oh, i think its too late now. i will be here tomorrow, if you find spare time then please do it tomorrow
- # [12:51] <jaami> Tc, GN
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- # [14:48] <jaami> i want to design my webpage like this http://jaami.co.cc/tshirt/PSD/01_home.png and here is what i have done so far http://jaami.co.cc/tshirt/ . please let me know how i can align the textmenue in the upper right corner of the page?
- # [14:49] <drgeb> how do you have one page return values to another ?
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- # [14:51] <jaami> im not expert, but i think its done via url. you embed values in url or you use cookies.
- # [14:51] <drgeb> ok guess I need to use cookies
- # [14:51] <drgeb> I am using TinyURL
- # [14:52] <drgeb> to pop up an iframe where I have the user input data
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- # [14:52] <drgeb> but then need to grab these back
- # [14:52] <drgeb> let me go research this Cookies thing Thanks jaami!
- # [14:52] <jaami> yeh, sure
- # [14:58] <jaami> i think its wrong time for questions, i will have to wait for morning :) lol
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- # [15:07] <drgeb> are you leaving ?
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- # [15:09] <jaami> drgeb: i am still here.
- # [15:10] <drgeb> brb updating site to create a sample
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- # [15:12] <drgeb> jaami I created a sample of what I am trying to do
- # [15:12] <drgeb> http://www.drgeb.com/mysite/bobario/tinybox2/
- # [15:13] <jaami> ok, let me check
- # [15:13] <drgeb> when you go there what I am trying to do is user clicks on "Get Location"
- # [15:13] <drgeb> then a window pops up with a map and user can move the pin to set the location
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- # [15:14] <jaami> i see
- # [15:14] <drgeb> but then the Latitude and Longitude need to be past back to the calling page and update the location in the yellow area
- # [15:14] <drgeb> where I have to variables lng and lat
- # [15:14] <drgeb> but I don't understand html and javascript to well
- # [15:14] <drgeb> so I am not sure how this is actually accomplished
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- # [15:15] <drgeb> my guess in this case is that one would use a cookie like you said since pages are disconnected
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- # [15:18] <jaami> quite interesing work. i think pages are always disconnected. and you be carefull to use sensitive info in either cookies or url. prbably you might encrypt values if not parameter names. anyway, i am no good for anyhelp because i know very little. i am also learning html5, JQuery and CSS3. i like to see your work and ope i will grab some ideas
- # [15:20] <drgeb> ahahahaha
- # [15:21] <drgeb> I just learned about TinyBox
- # [15:21] <drgeb> and using that for the pop up
- # [15:22] <jaami> let me google TinyBox anyway
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- # [15:52] <jaami> drgeb: thats interesting but little documentation. no GUI to manage and i think you want to use it on mobile.
- # [15:53] <jaami> but its really small webserver
- # [15:54] <jaami> probably you can get most out of it if you know CGI
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- # [15:56] <jaami> i want to design my webpage like this http://jaami.co.cc/tshirt/PSD/01_home.png and here is what i have done so far http://jaami.co.cc/tshirt/ . please let me know how i can align the textmenue in the upper right corner of the page?
- # [15:58] <gildean> give the div position and set it to right
- # [15:58] <gildean> depending on how you want to do it, you can use either position:relative or position:absolute
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- # [16:10] <jaami> yes, i think this is the way move forward. i am working on it and will fix this minor thing anyway
- # [16:10] <jaami> brb
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- # [19:32] <fatAgnus> hi
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- # [19:32] <fatAgnus> quick q
- # [19:32] <fatAgnus> what is "nerfing"
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- # [19:34] <StoneCypher> in gaming?
- # [19:34] <StoneCypher> reducing the power of some feature found to be unbalancing
- # [19:34] <StoneCypher> like when they "nerfed" napoleon in civ5 because his culture bonus was way too high
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- # [19:39] <fatAgnus> Stone, please stop stalking me in PM
- # [19:40] <fatAgnus> I will notify freenode admins
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- # [20:32] <jaami> John does not know about who is Roger Sundman
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- # [20:33] <jaami> California
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- # [20:46] <fatAgnus> Hi, where does the HTML element reside, isnt that the first child in the document object?
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- # [21:23] <uf0_work> fatAgnus: yes
- # [21:23] <uf0_work> don't forget the doctype though! always first
- # [21:25] <fatAgnus> ???
- # [21:26] <fatAgnus> you mean html is second?
- # [21:26] <fatAgnus> document.html.className
- # [21:26] <fatAgnus> works for me
- # [21:27] <fatAgnus> no , undefined
- # [21:27] <fatAgnus> no its not an elementNode (doctype)
- # [21:27] <fatAgnus> maybe its another nodtype but not "elementNode"
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- # [21:31] <fatAgnus> hi
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- # [21:31] <fatAgnus> boilerplate I see this: <html class="no-js" lang="en">
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- # [21:31] <fatAgnus> but the class "no-js" dissapear and become "js" somewhere
- # [21:33] <tw2113> fatAgnus i assume you have modernizr installed
- # [21:33] <fatAgnus> ok
- # [21:34] <fatAgnus> thats the culprit
- # [21:34] <fatAgnus> yes
- # [21:34] <fatAgnus> ok
- # [21:35] <fatAgnus> So i see boilerplate doing "no-js" and modernizer makes it into "js"?
- # [21:35] <fatAgnus> and other goodies aswell i see (svg, bladibla"
- # [21:35] <fatAgnus> ...etc etc
- # [21:35] <tw2113> it's a feature
- # [21:37] <fatAgnus> nifty
- # [21:38] <fatAgnus> just making my feet wet after ploughing through some fat books
- # [21:38] <fatAgnus> and stealing ideas)))
- # [21:38] <fatAgnus> I use Aptana Studio 3
- # [21:38] <fatAgnus> is this a good idea?
- # [21:39] <fatAgnus> does it have a js debugger,.., that would be nice
- # [21:39] <tw2113> dunno
- # [21:39] <tw2113> i use sublime text and my browser
- # [21:39] <fatAgnus> ok
- # [21:39] <fatAgnus> i like firebug myself, ok
- # [21:39] <fatAgnus> gotta get back to coding))
- # [21:39] <fatAgnus> thx
- # [21:40] <tw2113> that'd be part of the browser part of my answer
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- # [22:20] <fatAgnus> boilerplate doesnt give you anything right, it just normalizes your browser behavior
- # [22:21] <fatAgnus> its not like a framework or something right?
- # [22:21] <moo-_-> fatAgnus: yes, you are correct
- # [22:21] <fatAgnus> check moo
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- # [23:46] <fatAgnus> guys
- # [23:47] <fatAgnus> I want a text color of white
- # [23:47] <fatAgnus> .test123 { text-color: white; }
- # [23:47] <fatAgnus> ?
- # [23:47] <fatAgnus> like so?
- # [23:48] <bil> the css property is color:
- # [23:49] <bil> and generally use hex for colors. white is #ffffff
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