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  72. # [02:00] <grantg> who ever started texting me, that was annoying
  73. # [02:00] <grantg> like 40 text messages from skype
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  109. # [03:07] <uf0_work> so yeah.. i'm lovin sublime text.. lovin it lovin it
  110. # [03:07] <uf0_work> then boom
  111. # [03:08] <uf0_work> I need to put in a image in this html here
  112. # [03:08] <uf0_work> and nada.. no feature for that
  113. # [03:08] <uf0_work> man that's a pretty big one
  114. # [03:08] <uf0_work> they need that like effin ASAP!
  115. # [03:09] <uf0_work> like man now i have to literally type in the source..
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  117. # [03:09] <uf0_work> so yeah.. hoping they add that soon
  118. # [03:10] <tw2113> zomg typing in an image url
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  120. # [03:11] <uf0_work> crucial feature.. i'm sorry
  121. # [03:11] <uf0_work> and I ain't lazy lol
  122. # [03:12] <uf0_work> but this is a no brainer
  123. # [03:13] <tw2113> it's not dreamweaver
  124. # [03:13] <uf0_work> textmate has it
  125. # [03:13] <uf0_work> any editor i've used (that's not dreamweaver) has it
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  127. # [03:13] <tw2113> *shrug*
  128. # [03:15] <uf0_work> and so now.. I have to figure out the dimensions as well
  129. # [03:15] <uf0_work> errr
  130. # [03:15] <uf0_work> yea yea.. how hard is that.. not hard
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  158. # [04:31] <bjv> is there some trick to get firefox to http GET request my.manifest other than placing <html manifest="my.manifest"> ?
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  160. # [04:31] <bjv> when i serve a simple <html manifest="test.manifest"><h1>Hello World!</h1></html>
  161. # [04:31] <bjv> and a 3 line manifest:
  162. # [04:31] <bjv> CACHE MANIFEST
  163. # [04:31] <bjv> # v1
  164. # [04:31] <bjv> test.html
  165. # [04:32] <bjv> there are no GET requests for test.manifest in my log
  166. # [04:32] <bjv> this is firefox 3.5
  167. # [04:32] <bjv> requesting the same document from Opera mobile 10 *does* request the manifest
  168. # [04:33] <bjv> if i visit http://starkravingfinkle.org/projects/offline/todo.html in firefox 3.5, it apparently does request the manifest
  169. # [04:33] <bjv> because i can go offline, and still access the js demo
  170. # [04:34] <bjv> downloading mr. finkles .zip and hosting the same demo files myself... firefox does not request the manifest.
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  183. # [04:53] <nezZario> is <sup> and <sub> valid?
  184. # [04:53] <nezZario> i mean.. is that actually /presentation/ ?
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  197. # [05:30] <ryanseddon> nezZario: you can do vertical-align: super | sub but the tags are still fine to use
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  398. # [11:57] <mokush> did anybody experience issues with yql not getting results on mobile? the exact same query/code/url works on desktop, but not on android or ios. on mobile it just returns results: null
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  402. # [12:03] <rumpl> jetienne, Nicholas Zakas talks about that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fUGWFGUrUw (at arount 30min).
  403. # [12:03] <jetienne> rumpl: you got it from far :)
  404. # [12:04] <jetienne> rumpl: thanks i wioll look
  405. # [12:05] <rumpl> No problem.
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  409. # [12:07] <Peetz0r> I have a, you guessed it right, IE problem, and I wouldn't know what could be wrong this time. I have a page full of videos, and all of them work in firefox, chrome and opera, but only the first 2 work in IE9. As far as I know they are all identical, created with the same camera and conversion software. Here's the list of video's: http://terminal-logic.nl/scoutingvideo/scoutingvideo.php
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  422. # [12:33] <rumpl> Peetz0r, did you look at the timeline on Chrome, there are errors, maybe it's not juste IE.
  423. # [12:33] <moo-_-> jetienne: if you need not to block use web workers
  424. # [12:34] <Peetz0r> rumpl: oh. Errors in chrome? Lemme check...
  425. # [12:34] <jetienne> moo-_-: this is for a bench. webworker would change the result
  426. # [12:34] <jetienne> moo-_-: benching graphic perf is much harder than one could expect :)
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  428. # [12:36] <moo-_-> jetienne: I assume you are familiar with jsper.com? :)
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  430. # [12:36] <Peetz0r> rumpl: I see no errors in chrome?
  431. # [12:37] <jetienne> moo-_-: yeah :) i use benchmark.js (their backend lib) in various stuff
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  462. # [13:31] <mokush> is it possible so somehow prevent a jsonp call from sending the user-agent? or send a different user-agent?
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  471. # [13:50] <mokush> anybody who does server-side user-agent sniffing should be shot on sight
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  476. # [13:55] <Peetz0r> mokush: and anyone who spoofs his user agent should be shot as well. I use them for statistics, and expect them to be real
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  478. # [13:56] <Peetz0r> But if you have a problem with one specific service, you could create a proxy for it which rewrites the user agent on your server side, so their sever side can't sniff the clinets user agent anymore
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  480. # [13:57] <mokush> Peetz0r: that's exactly what I had to do. I feel so dirty
  481. # [13:59] <Peetz0r> Don't worry. Such is life...
  482. # [13:59] <Peetz0r> Full of ugly code and ugly workarounds for even uglier problems
  483. # [13:59] <Peetz0r> Read http://thedailywtf.com/
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  505. # [14:34] <rumpl> Peetz0r, I get this. http://i.imgur.com/XqYtq.png
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  512. # [14:42] <Peetz0r> rumpl: that's very interesting...
  513. # [14:42] <Peetz0r> also those filesizes are quite remarkable :p
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  516. # [14:43] <rumpl> I'm sorry I can't help you more.
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  519. # [14:46] <DeltaHeavy> Somebody's trying to convince me right now that HTML5 is trash and <video> tags are garbage and probably infirior to <object> tags because most video codecs aren't GPL. Is there any truth to what this guy is saying?
  520. # [14:47] <Armen138> no.
  521. # [14:47] <Peetz0r> nope because you'd probably use the same codecs anyway in any other html tag
  522. # [14:47] <Peetz0r> html is just a spec, not a video codec
  523. # [14:48] <DeltaHeavy> But that codec will be standardized right?
  524. # [14:48] <Peetz0r> nope
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  527. # [14:48] <Peetz0r> you could use any codec you like, and if you offer both mp4 and webm you can server most users just fine
  528. # [14:48] <Peetz0r> and as a fallback, you could use the very same mp4 file with flash player
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  532. # [14:51] <DeltaHeavy> Somebody is trying to convince me object tags are supirior to video tags (when HTML5 is in full force). Is it just me or does this guy not have a clue what the hell he's doing?
  533. # [14:51] <Peetz0r> ask him why. Let him give you an example
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  535. # [14:52] <DeltaHeavy> He's saying the codecs won't be free and you'll have to pay for Firefox
  536. # [14:52] <DeltaHeavy> I think this guy is just flat out dumb as a box of rocks
  537. # [14:52] <Peetz0r> but why is oblect better in that case?
  538. # [14:52] <Peetz0r> object*
  539. # [14:54] <DeltaHeavy> idk, it's just "IT WONT BE FREE" but it obiously will. I think he's just hating HTML5 because it's new and he doesn't know it yet.
  540. # [14:55] <Peetz0r> Sounds very much like it
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  542. # [14:56] <Peetz0r> Remember: lack of clue can be very dangerous
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  610. # [16:02] <sigwhite> Is it ever acceptable to have LINK elements in the BODY? I've seen this in the wild and came across a video discussing a component framework that claimed this was legitimate, but the spec seems to disagree.
  611. # [16:03] <Peetz0r> if the specs disagree, then I'd say it's unacceptable unless you have a very, very good reason.
  612. # [16:04] <Armen138> sigwhite: just wondering the same thing. Just realized that the code I wrote this morning generates a page that puts link tags in the body
  613. # [16:04] <Armen138> Luckily its my code, so I can change it ;)
  614. # [16:05] <Kolombiken> So out of curiosity: is there a good reason to want to have a LINK inside BODY?
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  617. # [16:06] <Armen138> I can't think of any, unless you need to inject styles into an existing page in a way that prohibits accessing head
  618. # [16:06] <Armen138> if such situation is even possible
  619. # [16:07] <Peetz0r> Armen138: sure, that is possible, but that means your situation is mostly broken
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  621. # [16:07] <Armen138> indeed. The mistake I made earlier was to load the contents of a html file into a div element, without checking its contents
  622. # [16:08] <Armen138> it caused some oddities :)
  623. # [16:08] <sigwhite> Armen138: I think the idea was to have components of a page as a collection of scripts, HTML fragments and stylesheets and include them dynamically on the server-side by referencing the stylesheet and script from the HTML fragment.
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  626. # [16:10] <sigwhite> Armen138: I think in practice you usually want to make sure your scripts and styles are minified etc anyway, so you could just collect all the referenced ones and merge them before putting the appropriate element in the head and end of the body respectively.
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  628. # [16:11] <sigwhite> Or simply do it as it's going to be with the shadow DOM.
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  630. # [16:13] <sigwhite> Funny aside: When googling this issue I came across this link: http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutorials/browser_specific/article.php/3478711/So-You-Want-A-Style-Sheet-Huh.htm -- I guess this goes to show that publishing dates ARE an important bit of information.
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  633. # [16:14] <sigwhite> "To see a couple in action, head to USA Today or ESPN. Both use style sheets on their pages. I'm using that type of style sheet on this page."
  634. # [16:14] <Armen138> a miracle of modern science
  635. # [16:14] <Armen138> I should upgrade to netscape 4 asap
  636. # [16:15] <sigwhite> Indeed. I want to style my H3 commands, too.
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  638. # [16:17] <Armen138> a style sheet that is being referenced by multiple pages, called a "span"
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  640. # [16:17] <Armen138> its like black magic.
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  643. # [16:19] <sigwhite> I like how the only indication of the article's age are comments from 2010 onward and the copyright note dated 2012.
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  699. # [17:11] <Armen138> Is there a way to "isolate" a div from the CSS styles in the rest of the page?
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  702. # [17:12] <Jax> i'm overwhelmed by all this boilerplate, css3, less, minimizer stuff.. what can i do to just get a decent template started
  703. # [17:12] <Armen138> Jax: twitter bootstrap?
  704. # [17:13] <Jax> checking
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  713. # [17:20] <Jax> awesome thanks
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  740. # [17:45] <grantg> oh operaa
  741. # [17:45] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/jQDZB.png
  742. # [17:45] <grantg> opera cannot do js math correctly still
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  744. # [17:45] <Peetz0r> Filed a bug report?
  745. # [17:45] <grantg> yeah
  746. # [17:45] <grantg> long time ago
  747. # [17:46] <Peetz0r> Did they respond?
  748. # [17:46] <shwetank> which bug number? I can maybe chase up some people
  749. # [17:46] <grantg> thing is, should have been fixed in 11.64 awhile ago
  750. # [17:46] <grantg> It's fixed in opera 12 beta, but not the stable still
  751. # [17:46] <shwetank> ah, ok
  752. # [17:46] <grantg> and they supposedly should have fixed this in stable
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  754. # [17:46] <grantg> months ago
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  756. # [17:47] <Peetz0r> 12 should be released soon enough, and opera users generally do have the latest stable version
  757. # [17:47] <grantg> involves opera messing up on some jsops
  758. # [17:47] <grantg> bitwise
  759. # [17:47] <grantg> causing opera to work on typed arrays incorrectly
  760. # [17:47] <grantg> yeah, opera 11.6X has critical math bugs with typed arrays
  761. # [17:48] <grantg> at least from what I'm seeing still
  762. # [17:48] <grantg> opera messes up with signed shifts and stuff for instance
  763. # [17:48] <grantg> so a uint8 for instance will return a signed value in opera! LOLWTF
  764. # [17:49] <shwetank> grantg could you PM me issues like this? I can maybe take a greater look and push for fixes internally if they already are not done for the upcoming versions
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  766. # [17:50] <grantg> see https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/GameBoyCore.js#L9464
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  769. # [17:50] <Peetz0r> shwetank: you work for Opera?
  770. # [17:50] <shwetank> ya
  771. # [17:51] <grantg> opera fails that test
  772. # [17:51] <grantg> been that way for months here
  773. # [17:51] <Peetz0r> Ah. Thanks for (co-)creating an awesome browser (which indeed isn't perfect, like any other browser)
  774. # [17:51] <shwetank> thanks Peetz0r :)
  775. # [17:51] <shwetank> thanks grantg I'll take a look and see what all i can do :)
  776. # [17:51] <grantg> also performance is horrible for opera 12 running my stuff
  777. # [17:52] <grantg> like 4x worse than firefox atm
  778. # [17:52] <grantg> and the setIntervals are inaccurate
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  782. # [17:53] <grantg> also the flash fallback for audio for opera crashes
  783. # [17:53] <grantg> and opera locks up when it does
  784. # [17:53] <grantg> :(
  785. # [17:53] <Jax> Armen138: thanks for that. you saved my day
  786. # [17:53] <shwetank> woh man, one issue at a time! ;)
  787. # [17:53] <shwetank> kiddiing
  788. # [17:53] <grantg> lol right?
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  792. # [17:55] <grantg> my guess is opera can't keep up with flash making callback requests to js, so they all lock up
  793. # [17:55] <grantg> for the flash crash that is
  794. # [17:55] <grantg> as opera is too busy on running the emu
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  796. # [17:56] <grantg> you'll hear the audio stutter, then stop, the they all lock up
  797. # [17:56] <grantg> *then
  798. # [17:56] <Peetz0r> Ah, yeah, opera and flash have never played together very well. But flash on linux sucks anyway, so I mostly disabled i
  799. # [17:56] <Peetz0r> it*
  800. # [17:56] <grantg> lol
  801. # [17:56] <grantg> so no sound for you when running this
  802. # [17:57] <Peetz0r> No <audio>?
  803. # [17:57] <grantg> as opera doesn't have a raw pcm output api for js
  804. # [17:57] <grantg> this uses the web audio api
  805. # [17:57] <grantg> and the mozilla audio data api
  806. # [17:57] <Peetz0r> hmm
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  808. # [17:57] <grantg> which allow js the generate samples and play them in real time
  809. # [17:57] <Peetz0r> shwetank: feature request for 12.5: ^
  810. # [17:58] <grantg> these aren't .mp3's, these are real time synthesized samples constantly being created and played
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  812. # [17:58] <grantg> as it is a console emu
  813. # [17:58] <grantg> like the ones you find on your desktop
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  815. # [17:58] <grantg> like visualboyadvance or kigb or bgb, etc.
  816. # [17:58] <shwetank> yeah, got it ....
  817. # [17:58] <Peetz0r> I see, <audio> won't help indeed
  818. # [17:58] <grantg> yeah
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  820. # [17:59] <grantg> because it doesn't have an api for this
  821. # [17:59] <grantg> [missing api for realtime sound]
  822. # [18:00] <grantg> I'd say opera should adopt the web audio api
  823. # [18:00] <grantg> moz audio is too vendor specific
  824. # [18:00] <grantg> and has bugs on some OSes
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  826. # [18:00] <grantg> due to firefox having buffering issues with it
  827. # [18:00] <shwetank> right now its an early stage for that spec, but we're looking into it
  828. # [18:01] <grantg> well, atm, opera falls back to a flash swf I created, as opera can't do this natively
  829. # [18:01] <grantg> :P
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  833. # [18:02] <shwetank> thanks grantg will keep those things in mind ... :)
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  835. # [18:02] <grantg> :P
  836. # [18:02] <shwetank> no, seriously
  837. # [18:03] <grantg> anyhow, this week has been like a real spin for JIT engines
  838. # [18:03] <grantg> as 200,000 visitors have been to the site this week alone
  839. # [18:03] <shwetank> nice
  840. # [18:03] <grantg> of course, google chrome wins the JIT performance
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  842. # [18:03] <grantg> firefox still runs it fullspeed though
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  844. # [18:05] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/GhARR.png
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  847. # [18:06] <grantg> anyhow, synth'ing audio in realtime can help games load faster
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  849. # [18:06] <grantg> as they can generate programmed audio
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  852. # [18:06] <grantg> rather than download and play pre-generated files
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  854. # [18:07] <grantg> it keeps file size low
  855. # [18:07] <grantg> really low
  856. # [18:08] <grantg> so you can have html5 games load in a second with whole scores of music
  857. # [18:08] <David_Bradbury> grantg: is an <audio> hero :p
  858. # [18:09] <David_Bradbury> s/:/""
  859. # [18:09] <grantg> generating audio with special routines in js really should save load time
  860. # [18:09] <grantg> like drive your audio loop with a setInterval
  861. # [18:09] <grantg> then simulate clock dividers for the slower beats
  862. # [18:10] <grantg> implement some waveform controls and FM modulation stuff
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  864. # [18:11] <David_Bradbury> grantg: I'm sure you've been asked this before, but what was the first emulator you wrote and how did you go about it? NES with trudging through the YOSHi doc's?
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  866. # [18:12] <grantg> David_Bradbury: You read YOSHi's docs?
  867. # [18:12] <grantg> :P
  868. # [18:12] <grantg> This was my first actually
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  870. # [18:12] <grantg> I still have the next coming up
  871. # [18:12] <grantg> gba that is
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  873. # [18:12] <grantg> as google chrome can run js gbc very well with low cpu load
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  877. # [18:13] <grantg> so it's time to kick it up a notch
  878. # [18:13] <David_Bradbury> Ah, yeah. First time I started writing an emulator I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything so I read through them. Didn't remember much :p
  879. # [18:13] <grantg> David_Bradbury: Did you implement the undefined opcodes?
  880. # [18:13] <grantg> :P
  881. # [18:13] <grantg> 6502 illegal opcodes
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  883. # [18:14] <grantg> Anyhow, gbc is a custom cpu that was based on the z80
  884. # [18:14] <grantg> runs at TWO speeds
  885. # [18:14] <David_Bradbury> Hah, naw, I only got the absolute basic engine going. Though I still have my trusty 6502 handbook so I may give it another try once I have a little more time
  886. # [18:14] <grantg> 4194304 hertz and double that
  887. # [18:15] <grantg> 0x400000 hertz lol
  888. # [18:15] <grantg> It's specific for the papu clocking
  889. # [18:15] <grantg> as that's used to drive the audio, as it's sampled at system clock
  890. # [18:16] <grantg> frequency is 11 bit
  891. # [18:16] <grantg> output of sound is 4 bit per channel
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  893. # [18:16] <grantg> so you get 9 bit output, after the mixer
  894. # [18:16] <grantg> white noise is a xor based algorithm
  895. # [18:17] <grantg> two modes, for the different effects
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  897. # [18:17] <grantg> one that repeats in shorter time, the other is longer and actually sounds like white noise
  898. # [18:17] <grantg> and the frame sequencer here is 8 step at 512 hz
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  900. # [18:19] <grantg> but yeah, the thing browser JITs are slow on is the audio
  901. # [18:19] <grantg> as it synthesizes at 4194304 hertz
  902. # [18:19] <grantg> stereo
  903. # [18:19] <grantg> and resampling down in js
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  907. # [18:20] <grantg> in the past few months, the audio core was rewritten
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  909. # [18:20] <grantg> so it's very accurate to the sample
  910. # [18:20] <grantg> as sys clock IS the sample rate
  911. # [18:20] <grantg> and it's all integer
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  913. # [18:21] <grantg> best part, it's being reused for js gba
  914. # [18:21] <grantg> as gba has the cgb/dmg audio along with two 8 bit pcm channels that are loaded via a buffered dma
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  919. # [18:22] <grantg> too bad gba only buffers up to 32 bytes, with the dma trigger at 16
  920. # [18:23] <grantg> that's pretty small for a buffer
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  924. # [18:25] <grantg> anyhow, gba has four dma channels, 6 channels of audio (two pcm + 4 gameboy classic channels), and various 2d gfx modes
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  926. # [18:26] <grantg> and an arm7tdmi cpu
  927. # [18:26] <grantg> which is the ARMv4 architecture
  928. # [18:27] <grantg> so its cpu is the predecessor to what mobile phones use today
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  932. # [18:27] <grantg> some android phones even use the ARMv5 arch based cpus
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  934. # [18:28] <grantg> anyhow, I still am working on js gba, just taking it nice and slow
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  936. # [18:29] <grantg> the dma interruption needed to be done right
  937. # [18:29] <grantg> lots of corner cases for priority stacking of stuff needs to be done right
  938. # [18:29] <grantg> as well as clocking
  939. # [18:29] <grantg> and that prefetch buffer
  940. # [18:29] <grantg> ugh
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  942. # [18:30] <grantg> no cpu cache, but there was a general cache that prefetched from rom
  943. # [18:30] <grantg> to reduce the 16 bit rom cart bottleneck
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  945. # [18:31] <grantg> also if you read into how its BIOS was dumped, gotta love the buggy BIOS functions
  946. # [18:32] <grantg> MIDI function was bugged and would read itself and return the converted value
  947. # [18:32] <grantg> you could use it to read the bios rom
  948. # [18:32] <grantg> as the bios was supposed to be protected from reading
  949. # [18:33] <grantg> when executing outside of it
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  951. # [18:33] <grantg> but the bug exploited a glitch in the bios itself to get it to read itself
  952. # [18:34] <grantg> gameboy color bios though was dumped through hardware hacks by costs like 2 years ago
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  954. # [18:34] <grantg> gameboy classic was dumped by electron microscope with die staining I believe
  955. # [18:34] <grantg> *by costis
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  959. # [18:36] <grantg> games on gameboy/gameboy color could tell which device they were on by checking the first cpu register's value stored
  960. # [18:37] <grantg> though this value different between gameboy/gameboy pocket/super gameboy, it was the same on all gameboy color models
  961. # [18:37] <grantg> the accumulator register was this register
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  973. # [18:46] <Jax> a list of orders with items under each order is a table, or?
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  1025. # [19:23] <David_Bradbury> A list of orders?
  1026. # [19:23] <David_Bradbury> @ Jax
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  1028. # [19:24] <Jax> well it is for a backend of a shop.. there is a list of orders with different statuses i would like to be able to click an order, and the items load via AJAX/jQuery below the order
  1029. # [19:25] <Jax> since the items have different statuses as well they could be edited directly in one list
  1030. # [19:25] <Jax> instead of having to hop around in x different views
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  1035. # [19:28] <David_Bradbury> That's an unordered list. You can display it like a table if you like via CSS, but I would suggest possibly inline-block
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  1091. # [20:21] <bbeattie> I'm looking to do an interactive application and figured I'd look at html5 and websockets. I have about 5 years of experience with php (I'm mainly a C guy with over 20 years of experience) Is php a good choice for websockets? I haven't touched java much at all but if that's the way to go I can learn java, or is there a better language choice?
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  1095. # [20:25] <cgcardona> i've seen lots of cool node.js/websockets projects
  1096. # [20:26] <cgcardona> http://socket.io/#home
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  1108. # [20:30] <tw2113> sup cg
  1109. # [20:30] <tw2113> cgcardona even
  1110. # [20:30] <tw2113> forgot to hit tab
  1111. # [20:30] <cgcardona> hey hey - how ya doin?
  1112. # [20:31] <paul_irish> cgcardonaaaaaaaa
  1113. # [20:34] <tw2113> reasons and potential motivators for me to leave SD: no nerd gatherings occur here. My brother keeps asking me for ways to get out and socialize, and there just isn't anything here
  1114. # [20:35] <tw2113> we're both coders in a sense. He's more software, i'm obv frontend webdev
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  1116. # [20:36] <tw2113> just thinking out loud to people who could relate :D
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  1132. # [20:50] <cgcardona> paul_iiiiirrrriiiissshhhh :-]
  1133. # [20:50] <paul_irish> yeaaaa
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  1135. # [20:56] <tw2113> oh you san fransisco peoples
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  1145. # [21:05] <tw2113> JonathanNeal what's that link to your yayquery song set?
  1146. # [21:05] <JonathanNeal> http://jonneal.bandcamp.com/
  1147. # [21:06] <tw2113> that explains a lot, i wasn't on the right site
  1148. # [21:06] <tw2113> i went to soundcloud
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  1155. # [21:11] <tw2113> JonathanNeal $5 heading your way
  1156. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> :)
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  1158. # [21:14] <tw2113> 320kbps mp3 copy
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  1210. # [22:24] <addos> hi, can anyone tell me what the originator metadata tag is used for or where there is any documentation on what uses it?
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  1217. # [22:32] <tw2113> man...someone beat me to this type of idea http://wherethefuckshouldigotoeat.com/ with better explatives
  1218. # [22:33] <tw2113> ha, i like how they use both modernizr 2.0 AND html5shiv
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  1222. # [22:39] <Jon47> responsive boilerstrap!
  1223. # [22:39] <Jon47> v9
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  1234. # [22:50] <soluml> Hey Guys, I'm working on a HTML5 input pattern polyfill in my spare time and I'm trying to validate an input type=url in JavaScript exactly as the browser (Chrome) does but can't find any documentation on a JavaScript or PERL compatible regular expression. As it's a polyfill, I don't particularly mind if it matches all URL's exactly (which is impossible) but rather that it imitates how the browser works.
  1235. # [22:50] <soluml> Would you have any idea where to begin looking for one?
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  1239. # [22:51] <soluml> The HTML5 Spec provided an expression for Email: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/states-of-the-type-attribute.html#valid-e-mail-address but not so for URL unfortunately.
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