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  53. # [01:32] <JonathanNeal> Perhaps it's better to ask here.
  54. # [01:32] <JonathanNeal> Do the html5 doctor folks maintain their own updated branch of diveintohtml5 or do they just host the last copy mark touched?
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  65. # [02:00] <uf0_work> snippet will do..
  66. # [02:00] <uf0_work> snippet here and there
  67. # [02:00] <uf0_work> done deal.
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  99. # [03:20] <uf0_work> is there like a good number (in terms of kilobytes) a page should be at?
  100. # [03:20] <uf0_work> whether is 100k or 200k
  101. # [03:20] <uf0_work> just looking for some info on that
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  103. # [03:22] <grantg> Google Chrome: Dragon Warrior
  104. # [03:22] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/pzltG.jpg
  105. # [03:22] <grantg> :P
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  107. # [03:22] <grantg> not just google maps. :P
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  110. # [03:24] <grantg> (reference to that april fools joke)
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  146. # [04:33] <obert-> hgroup is always required even if i get only a h1 into my <header>?
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  148. # [04:35] <tw2113> i don't even bother with hgroup
  149. # [04:36] <obert-> <header id="header"><h1><a href="index" title="home">site name and logo</a></h1></header> looks good then?
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  151. # [04:37] <obert-> followed by <section id="content"></section><aside></aside><footer id="footer"></footer> ?:P
  152. # [04:38] <tw2113> i'd use article before section
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  154. # [04:38] <tw2113> unless that's going to hold your articles
  155. # [04:38] <tw2113> o dpm
  156. # [04:38] <tw2113> oops
  157. # [04:38] <tw2113> i don't use section much either
  158. # [04:38] <obert-> i got only a logo/sitename, contents and a footer
  159. # [04:39] <tw2113> <article class="contents">
  160. # [04:39] <obert-> how?
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  162. # [04:39] <tw2113> how what?
  163. # [04:40] <obert-> heh where do you use article and why
  164. # [04:40] <tw2113> pages/posts
  165. # [04:40] <tw2113> for my WordPress work at least
  166. # [04:41] <obert-> i see
  167. # [04:42] <obert-> much more similar to blog, yes
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  375. # [12:10] <sunbeam> <!--[if lt IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8 lt-ie7" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  376. # [12:10] <sunbeam> etc
  377. # [12:10] <sunbeam> I don't see a lot reasons why anyone would use this
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  448. # [15:09] <digitalfiz> Jax: id assume they probably are as I can't see any rules that would prevent such a thing but it is wrong because nested tables probably means your using tables for layout which is just bad form
  449. # [15:10] <Jax> now i'm not using it for layout
  450. # [15:10] <Jax> s/now/no
  451. # [15:10] <Jax> it's simply a big table of orders, and below each order are the bundles, and inside the bundles are the individual items
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  453. # [15:10] <Jax> it's so the admin can manipulate stuff quickly without having to switch views
  454. # [15:10] <Jax> so i think the application is legitimate, what do you think?
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  509. # [16:30] <devmikey> What's best practices if you want a button that submits a get request without changing the page you're on?
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  515. # [16:36] <Jon47> devmikey: use asynchronous http request?
  516. # [16:37] <devmikey> yep, thx
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  751. # [21:08] <cryptopsy> paul_irish: in what browsers are <html> </html> optional?
  752. # [21:08] <boogyman> none
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  755. # [21:09] <boogyman> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/semantics.html#the-html-element
  756. # [21:09] <cryptopsy> don't browsers do whatever fuck they want nowadays?
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  758. # [21:10] <Killswitch> paul_irish:
  759. # [21:10] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: all of them
  760. # [21:11] <Killswitch> Optional?
  761. # [21:11] <paul_irish> it was added to the spec because its a backwards compatible situation
  762. # [21:11] <cryptopsy> paul_irish: the w3 doc says you omit it when it doesn't specify attributes
  763. # [21:11] <Killswitch> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/#the-html-element
  764. # [21:11] <paul_irish> browsers will make the <html> element in the DOM if its not in the markup
  765. # [21:11] <Killswitch> That page is very undecisive
  766. # [21:11] <cryptopsy> we took the paul-irish mobile to get here
  767. # [21:11] <cryptopsy> but i remembered it from a talk you gave
  768. # [21:12] <cryptopsy> [or semi-sorta remembered]
  769. # [21:12] <cryptopsy> Killswitch: maybe that guy's interpretation in #web is wrong?
  770. # [21:12] <paul_irish> let me give you a better link
  771. # [21:13] <paul_irish> fwiw i typpically include <html> anyway... and hey appcache is cool too
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  773. # [21:13] <cryptopsy> 19:03:58 <+Killswitch> I am speaking for #web as a whole that it's a required element and is just as important as <!DOCTYPE HTML>
  774. # [21:13] <Killswitch> Like I just said <html> as best practice should be part of your document.
  775. # [21:13] <cryptopsy> paul_irish: DOCTYPE isn't that important is it
  776. # [21:13] <paul_irish> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-tag-omission
  777. # [21:14] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: doctype is critical.
  778. # [21:14] <cryptopsy> how do they come up with these rules?
  779. # [21:14] <paul_irish> reverse engineering all browser behavior
  780. # [21:15] <cryptopsy> so by popularity
  781. # [21:15] <cryptopsy> tnx for clearing that up
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  783. # [21:16] <paul_irish> np
  784. # [21:16] <paul_irish> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/internals/howbrowserswork/
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  786. # [21:18] <cryptopsy> why is your name no longer on the h5bp webpage?
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  789. # [21:21] <cryptops1> crashed sorry
  790. # [21:22] <cryptops1> did i ask, why is your name no longer on the h5bp webpage
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  795. # [21:24] <ismaris> Hello, I'm having an issue where my website will not load into an inline frame in internet explorer, but it will in mozilla and chrome. It gives an "Internet Explorer cannot Display the Webpage" error, and if I right-click the frame and go to properties, the address is: res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff.htm#siteAddressHere (where siteAddressHere is my website address) . The CMS as well as the
  796. # [21:24] <ismaris> external site are both using signed SSL certs. Additionally, if I tell the iframe to go 'back', the webpage loads just fine. Any ideas why ie would be doing this but not chrome/mozilla?
  797. # [21:27] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: i'm less involved in the project now and want to clarify that necolas is the projects lead and has been for a while :)
  798. # [21:27] <cryptopsy> cool
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  818. # [22:03] <grantg> hey moo-_-
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  821. # [22:04] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/JS-Image-Resizer now can webworker the scaling of images in js away from the UI thread
  822. # [22:04] <grantg> I need to update the API doc
  823. # [22:04] <grantg> So you can scale stuff and not lock up the UI like what canvas does
  824. # [22:05] <grantg> http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/ was updated, so running a game and checking "Scale in JS" will webworker the scaling algos
  825. # [22:05] <grantg> :D
  826. # [22:06] <grantg> so I can fullscreen stuff, and even it's it's taking forever, the gbc emulator will still run fullspeed
  827. # [22:06] <grantg> and the audio won't drop
  828. # [22:06] <grantg> which happens with canvas a lot
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  831. # [22:08] <grantg> .resize(buffer) no longer returns the result, rather it'll call a callback you specified in the beginning.
  832. # [22:08] <grantg> and pass the return buffer there
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  835. # [22:15] <grantg> too bad js doesn't have proper threading support
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  837. # [22:16] <grantg> otherwise it wouldn't need to do copy on transfer between webworkers
  838. # [22:16] <grantg> transferrable object is broken anyhow
  839. # [22:16] <grantg> as the js event queue can mess up instant control transfers back
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  842. # [22:22] <Jax> does <button> support a target when you click?
  843. # [22:22] <Jax> say i have a cancel button in my form and want that to go to a certain page
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  852. # [22:31] <paul_irish> grantg: you _did_ get my email last week, ya?
  853. # [22:31] <paul_irish> no reply needed just wanted to make sure.
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  855. # [22:33] <grantg> yeah
  856. # [22:33] <grantg> this is unrelated to rAF though
  857. # [22:34] <grantg> this is for when the browser is not GPU accelerated and instead we're scaling with a js lib I wrote that scales without canvas
  858. # [22:36] <grantg> gtg
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  861. # [22:37] <grantg> anyhow, google chrome can still take hundreds of milliseconds to scale, blocking the audio, so rAF is no help, as it doesn't make canvas magically faster
  862. # [22:37] <grantg> it is a frameskip algo, really
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  864. # [22:37] <grantg> or for people who aren't using setInterval, it basically has you draw at the frame rate
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  866. # [22:37] <grantg> with throttling of course
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  895. # [23:17] <Schr3da> hey everybody
  896. # [23:17] <Schr3da> general question
  897. # [23:17] <Schr3da> what do you think about html5 + webgl
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  899. # [23:18] <Schr3da> is it future proof now or not I read a lot of stuff and Im already a web dev for several years I even developed already few apps natively but I want to create a new project and Im not totally sure how to do it… Doing it the html5 way or native
  900. # [23:19] <Schr3da> I want to have it at least platform independing
  901. # [23:19] <Schr3da> someone advice?
  902. # [23:19] <Schr3da> what do you guys think about html5 and game dev?
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  924. # [23:48] <David_Bradbury> Well, webgl feels pretty future proof. That said, even if worst case that didn't happen, it should be fairly simple to switch it to a native opengl (etc...) project
  925. # [23:48] <David_Bradbury> And game development is looking better than ever
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