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# [01:01] <Velmont> niftylettuce: What do you want to use it for? - We've got a ton of dnd tests in Opera, they are all sadly manual because of that, but I know we have someone automating them now. I think because Opera now got dnd support added to scope (automation/inspection/debugging API).
# [01:02] <Velmont> niftylettuce: If you actually need it in an actual website, that will be very unhelpful, but you didn't really said what it was for :P
# [01:02] <JiKeidan> any of us familiar with websockets in here?
# [01:03] <Velmont> Unmatched UTF-16 surrogate pairs will become FFFD, -- I know that extremely specialized detail :]
# [01:04] <Velmont> Actually don't remember the correct term, -- but invalid utf-16 at least.
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# [01:38] <six-sick-trix> hello how are you supposed to get rid of all the blank space at the bottom of a page when you create a bunch of tables using div elements?
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# [01:39] <JiKeidan> O.o.... depends onwhat the blank space is
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# [01:40] <six-sick-trix> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21018504/start.html
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# [02:37] <sirtophat> canvas' .scale doesn't do anything when I try it here http://space.thelunarempire.net/so/chip8.html
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# [04:17] <gavin_huang> is it possible for browsers to display a list of all events its corrent firing w/o having to register each one of them? should be really helpful for debugging and learning.
# [04:17] <gavin_huang> *it's currently firing
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# [04:26] <niftylettuce> Velmont: you still around?
# [04:27] <niftylettuce> Velmont: I want to use it to emulate attaching an attachment in Gmail
# [04:27] <niftylettuce> so if user is in HTML mode w/o JavaScript enabled, it wouldnt be hard, but Gmail has the new DnD feature and also the XHR uploading of attachments
# [04:28] <niftylettuce> and I don't want to decompile ugly minified/mangled dynamic source code
# [04:34] <niftylettuce> Velmont: http://jsfiddle.net/4FJaa/27/ e.g. dragging that FileEntry
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# [05:13] <JiKeidan> http://pastebin.com/3ZvqAQ7F
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# [20:03] <tw2113> sweet, chrome finally got paste & go context menu items for the url bar
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# [20:04] <imsky> chrome been had dat
# [20:04] <tw2113> not on any version i had until the latest
# [20:04] <tw2113> 19.x on linux
# [20:05] <imsky> man
# [20:05] <imsky> living in the past!
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# [20:05] <tw2113> chrome makes a good twitter client :D
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# [20:07] <David_Bradbury> The only thing stopping me from using Chrome as my main browser is that I just can't get as comfortable in Chrome Dev Tools as I am in Firebug.
# [20:08] <imsky> well that and its extension model is retarded
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# [20:08] <tw2113> i'
# [20:08] <tw2113> i'm hoping the Fx native tools turn out awesome
# [20:08] <tw2113> but i haven't ditched firebug yet
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# [20:10] <David_Bradbury> Meh, I don't typically use many extensions. I use Web Dev Toolbar occasionally, AdBlocker, and bookmarker for Delicious (which has really turned to crap in the past few years)
# [20:11] <paul_irish> David_Bradbury: what is holding you back from getting comfy with the chrome devtools?
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# [20:15] <David_Bradbury> paul_irish: They're nice, but I've continually had issues when debugging JavaScript where not all my scripts will show up in the "Scripts" tab (Firebug has this issue at times as well, but it is less frequent). I'd say that is my biggest issue and I haven't found a way around it.
# [20:16] <David_Bradbury> I've tried clearing the cache and updating my code to try to update the script, but that doesn't seem to help. Other times it runs without issue though.
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# [20:17] <tw2113> i wonder if there are ways to pin what page firebug/chrome inspector are looking at, instead of going with whatever is in the immediate browser window
# [20:17] <tw2113> that'd be a nice touch as sometimes I need to switch tabs to check on something
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# [20:20] <David_Bradbury> I will admit, I was excited earlier today. My boss has been using Firefox 3.6 without any debugging tools since it came out. I saw him using Chrome today after installing it on his computer and I got to show him how to use it for debugging. (He doesn't handle any programming but has old scripts he needs to edit from time to time)
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# [20:23] <tw2113> paul_irish i have to wonder if I inspired my old employer to keep using your IE conditional classes on <html>. Saw a site they did recently and poked at the source
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# [20:24] <tw2113> dunno if he'd know about that one if I didn't find it while i worked there
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# [20:27] <Jon47> David_Bradbury: that's interesting, i've never noticed that issue
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# [20:28] <David_Bradbury> If anyone has some extra time, I'm getting ready to release a new project - https://github.com/DavidBradbury/Simple5
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# [20:29] <David_Bradbury> Jon47: I'll see if I can find a way to recreate it regularly tonight.
# [20:29] <Jon47> and i've loaded scripts all sorts of funny ways - in the head, at the foot, using head.js and require.js
# [20:30] <Jon47> i'm sure the dev tools team would love a reproducible test case to bang on
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# [20:30] <tw2113> that way I can easily pull the repo, sass watch it and eventually export
# [20:31] <imsky> ooh firefox nightly has a quick dial
# [20:31] <tw2113> aurora does too
# [20:31] <imsky> firefox nightly == aurora
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# [20:33] <David_Bradbury> I've been getting more familiar with node.js recently - I have it working and I'm able to compile my code no problem. Is there a way I can easily have things compile on save (on Windows)? Been playing with less and jade
# [20:34] <tw2113> what?!?!? Github's main office is based in San Francisco?
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# [20:36] <tw2113> eh, i don't know exactly how close I got to them then
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# [20:44] <paul_irish> so if you notice it again, lets figure out a way to get me the project or some reduction of it
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# [20:44] <paul_irish> tiiight thank you sir
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