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# [04:49] <sirvon> can anyone ref me to anymore opensource projects similar to liftoff/gateone?
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# [04:52] <sirvon> i belive the server-side will become the presentation view of the next generation web
# [04:52] <sirvon> the browser/clients/mobile computers ( i mean phones..) will be used for action oriented things as you look upon the server working its magic
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# [04:57] <Iarfen> Hi!!
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# [04:58] <Iarfen> Can I add an <a> tag to a image element inside a <figure> tag??
# [04:58] <tw2113> what would stop you?
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# [06:26] <Lucky--> anyone play around with less?
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# [06:42] <tw2113> hey paul_irish remember a long while back when you scoffed a bit about me wanting to focus on php/server side?
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# [06:54] <sirvon> tw2113?? server is the shit huh
# [06:54] <sirvon> its the future!@!#!@
# [06:55] <tw2113> i was going to say that i've come around 180deg and focusing a lot more on js/client side in 2012
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# [07:08] <sirvon> LOL
# [07:08] <sirvon> !!
# [07:08] <sirvon> but of course js in the browser
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# [07:09] <sirvon> but the server is the new WEB!
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# [07:11] <tw2113> talking about stuff like node?
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# [07:11] <sirvon> nah
# [07:11] <sirvon> its jus a thought/a vision i had today
# [07:11] <tw2113> ah
# [07:11] <sirvon> i see the web is turning inside out
# [07:12] <sirvon> the broswer/the client was/is wat u look at mostly
# [07:12] <sirvon> but now i envision more visual stuff happening in terminals
# [07:12] <sirvon> in consoles
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# [07:12] <sirvon> but u make it happen by doing something in the browser/on a mobile
# [07:13] <sirvon> but u see a action transform on the side
# [07:13] <sirvon> coders usually look at the server side literally looking at a terminal/bash console
# [07:13] <sirvon> i envision more of the public doing this
# [07:14] <sirvon> if im not mistaken
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# [07:14] <sirvon> node and jquery are increasingly wanting to emulate a terminal
# [07:15] <sirvon> terminal/console functionality is increasingly coming to browsers/clients
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# [07:34] <IanWizard-Cloud> Is there a decent channel for chrome / chromium anywhere?
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# [12:59] <edwinkcw> hello, I used placeholder for all input text field. But I recently realized that ie 9 doesn't support yet. Other than using jquery-placeholder, is there any better way to solve it?
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# [13:06] <moo-_-> edwardbc_: don't use placeholder for ie9, leave the field empty
# [13:06] <moo-_-> :)
# [13:08] <edwinkcw> moo-_-: then I need to add label for that field as well...
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# [14:27] <mr_lou> So.... getting tired of sending the same SMS's every now and then, like e.g. "Hey! I'm coming to pick up my daughter now." and "Will you update the shoppinglist?".... I thought I'd make a small HTML5 document with a bunch of smsto: links.
# [14:28] <mr_lou> So far so good. Works fine, and I don't have to mess with ads that are in most the apps I could have downloaded from Android market.
# [14:28] <moo-_-> mr_lou: usually phones have sms template functions as is - why do you need app or a page?
# [14:28] <mr_lou> My only problem is that I'm using special characters in the danish alphabet. These are shown as a question mark.
# [14:29] <moo-_-> mr_lou: you most likely must url encode characters
# [14:29] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Don't have templates in this phone, and in the previous phones it's a too long process getting in there. The optimal solution would be to just press the button and then the SMS is sent. I don't have to view it first. Just send it.
# [14:30] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Yes. I'm doing that. Using a %F8, which is the number it seems to have (248). But it's still a questionmark.
# [14:30] <moo-_-> mr_lou: most likely the phone doesn't understand that
# [14:30] <moo-_-> you don't name the phone
# [14:30] <moo-_-> but I'd bet it is Android with some vendor customized SMS app
# [14:30] <mr_lou> I then tried inserting all from %30 to %ff into a message, and see that the special characters aren't anywhere.
# [14:31] <mr_lou> It's a Sony Ericsson Xperia Ray.
# [14:31] <Jon47> %whatever is url encoded… is that how phones want them to be encoded?
# [14:31] <Jon47> i imagine a phone speaks a character set or not, it probably just wants the raw characters
# [14:31] <moo-_-> Jon47: smsto link is an url
# [14:31] <moo-_-> url encode for urls
# [14:31] <Jon47> ah, i see
# [14:31] <moo-_-> but most likely the phone simply doesn't support it
# [14:31] <moo-_-> so
# [14:31] <moo-_-> no go
# [14:31] <mr_lou> Likely.
# [14:31] <moo-_-> or
# [14:31] <moo-_-> "contact the phone vendor"
# [14:32] <moo-_-> mr_lou: try with android emulator and android 4.0
# [14:32] <moo-_-> to see if you are more lucky
# [14:32] <mr_lou> Nah, not that important. Will just use other characters then. Just wanted to ask, since I'm a bit interested in HTML5 as well.
# [14:32] <mr_lou> moo-_-, That's a good idea.
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# [14:32] <moo-_-> if android 4.0 cannot do with url encoding
# [14:32] <moo-_-> there might be hope
# [14:33] <moo-_-> or just the wrap the thing with phonegap and use its native apis
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# [14:33] <elenita> hello everyone
# [14:34] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Shouldn't be necessary. I want to do it with HTML5 - or else just code an app myself. ;-)
# [14:34] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Native app I mean.
# [14:34] <elenita> I probably have an amateur question, not exactly related to html5 field
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# [14:34] <elenita> I would like to know how apps are hosted online
# [14:35] <elenita> in particular, freemium social games
# [14:36] <elenita> if I use the hosting calculator, it asks me number of "instances"
# [14:36] <elenita> is that number of users?
# [14:36] <elenita> or no of IP addresses? is that also the number of gamers?
# [14:36] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Hmm...the emulator can't even figure out inserting any text.
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# [14:38] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Of course.... the emulator I have is only Android 1.6... :-| tsk
# [14:38] <moo-_-> mr_lou: try the latest one
# [14:39] <mr_lou> Too lazy.
# [14:39] <moo-_-> download few gigs and so on :)
# [14:39] <mr_lou> I'll just use other characters. No big deal.
# [14:39] <mr_lou> Was just curious.
# [14:39] <mr_lou> Thanks tho
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# [15:05] <mr_lou> moo-_-, Doh.... in case you're curious, it was a silly encoding problem. Saving the file as UTF-8 and setting <meta charset="utf-8"> as well solved the problem.
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# [20:20] <IanWizard-Cloud> David_Bradbury: I've not worked with the filters much yet, but it sounds like you could just put an rgba on the div.
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# [20:23] <David_Bradbury> But the background behind it wouldn't be blurred :p
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# [20:25] <IanWizard-Cloud> David_Bradbury: ? if it's a solid color, then blur shouldn't really affect it
# [20:26] <David_Bradbury> rgba - Emphasis on the "a" :p
# [20:26] <IanWizard-Cloud> you could always put another div, just for the rgba overlay, behind, or infront of the blurred content
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# [20:27] <David_Bradbury> But can't blur just part of something
# [20:27] <David_Bradbury> I'm talking about emulating the Windows Aero bar, where whatever is behind the top bar is blurred and tinted
# [20:27] <IanWizard-Cloud> David_Bradbury: oh, I completely missed the whole "behind / mask" thing
# [20:28] <IanWizard-Cloud> yeah, that would be nice, but IDK if it's in the works or not
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# [20:59] <David_Bradbury> Huh... Apparently Firebug Lite works pretty good on iPad/iPhone. Just added a "Firebug" button that floats on the top right of my screen so I can debug on mobile
# [20:59] <David_Bradbury> I should wrap it in a JS function so people can plop it right into their page
# [21:00] <Jon47> David_Bradbury: there's a bookmarklet out there
# [21:00] <Jon47> to load it on demand on whatever page you're currently viewing
# [21:00] <Jon47> but weinre is the new hotness ;)
# [21:01] <David_Bradbury> Heh, well, the problem with the bookmarklet is that when I'm refreshing changes every 5 seconds, it slows me down considerably
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# [21:01] <David_Bradbury> Also, weinre is nice, but when I can't always run things on the host computer
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# [21:03] <David_Bradbury> It will be great for personal projects at home though
# [21:04] <David_Bradbury> weinre that is
# [21:06] <David_Bradbury> Man this is beautiful. I've been debugging iPhone and iPad apps with log and alert for a good year now
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# [21:06] <David_Bradbury> Actually, two or three
# [21:06] <David_Bradbury> Man time flies
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# [21:25] <niftylettuce> \o
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# [21:37] <snowfox> Does the figure element go inside of the article element?
# [21:38] <paul_irish> yes.
# [21:38] <snowfox> Thanks Paul
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# [22:20] <bendman> hey, chrome dev tools question. is there a way to quickly set a breakpoint on all lines of a specific js file?
# [22:21] <xec> lolwut
# [22:22] <xec> shotgun debbuging :D
# [22:22] <bendman> I just want to know when any javascript execution happens within a specific js script I have
# [22:22] <bendman> basically, yeah. I'm debugging some other guys code and I'm not sure what function it's calling
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# [22:24] <bendman> I would just pause all execution, but a bunch of stuff happens and I just get stuck looping around in jquery source code
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# [22:25] <xec> well, not that i know of, but if the bunch of stuff includes any dom change you can break on that, iirc
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# [22:26] <bendman> I want to skip that stuff, not break on it. I just want it to break on this one script (about 1600 lines), which unfortunately keeps triggering a page refresh. I already searched for the common refresh techniques
# [22:28] <xec> well, i doubt breaking on every line in the file would get you any further
# [22:28] <bendman> it would probably get me to the function within the file that's calling the refresh
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# [22:29] <bendman> unless you know of a better way. it does sound clunky
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# [22:31] <xec> no, sorry, i pretty much suck at js debugging myself unfortunately
# [22:31] <xec> is there any sort of pattern to when the page refreshes, though?
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# [22:36] <bendman> yeah, it's just not very dry code, so it's all over the place
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# [23:19] <davidmurdoch> Million dollar question: http://stackoverflow.com/q/10727855/160173
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# [23:20] <Dilvie> hi
# [23:21] <moo-_-> davidmurdoch: I think that's at least not part of ES5 spec, as if it's the same functionality as in Python
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# [23:21] <moo-_-> ah
# [23:21] <moo-_-> but node.js
# [23:21] <davidmurdoch> moo-_- I have a feeling I'm asking for magic :-)
# [23:22] <moo-_-> davidmurdoch: run-time speed would have awful hit if it needs function look-up for every missing var?
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# [23:22] <moo-_-> just thinking implications :)
# [23:23] <davidmurdoch> moo-_- probably... but premature optimization is the root of all evil, right? :-p
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# [23:26] <thisgeek> davidmurdoch, Can you get in front of / wrap that object with a proxy?
# [23:26] <thisgeek> e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Proxy
# [23:27] <thisgeek> (I realize that's a mozilla link, but I am about to head out of the office. :)
# [23:27] <davidmurdoch> thisgeek, this looks very promising! reading now
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# [23:29] <thisgeek> davidmurdoch, cool. I'll be on again a little later. Hope I can find out how it went.
# [23:29] <thisgeek> Ciao.
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# [23:30] <Dilvie> do garbage collected scripts not show up in the chrome web inspector?
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# [23:37] <Dilvie> What should I look for if there's a script I want to debug that doesn't show up in web inspector?
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# [23:46] <paul_irish> Dilvie: why doesnt it show up
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