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  21. # [00:29] <mappum> i had a random idea, but it might already exist. is there a js library that is a wrapper for HTML5 that takes in JSON from the server instead of actual HTML and converts it?
  22. # [00:30] <mappum> there would need to be a good API for writing styles and markup in json
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  26. # [00:31] <mappum> it could just mimic the xml, though (`{tag: 'a', href: '#', class: 'foo'}`)
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  496. # [06:22] <paul_irish> yup.
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  498. # [06:23] <paul_irish> mappum: but um. most people prefer to use a templating library
  499. # [06:23] <paul_irish> because writing HTML as JSON kinda sucks
  500. # [06:23] <tw2113> evening paul
  501. # [06:23] <paul_irish> hay
  502. # [06:24] <mappum> xml just feels super oldschool to me
  503. # [06:24] <paul_irish> me too
  504. # [06:24] <paul_irish> mappum: write your templates in jade
  505. # [06:24] <mappum> i was just thinking if web markup was designed today, it would be way different
  506. # [06:24] <mappum> i did for my last app
  507. # [06:24] <mappum> but this one is client mvc
  508. # [06:24] <tw2113> json is dreamy <3
  509. # [06:24] <mappum> is there a client jade renderer
  510. # [06:24] <mappum> ?
  511. # [06:25] <paul_irish> yah
  512. # [06:25] <paul_irish> well
  513. # [06:25] <mappum> hm, i might have to do that
  514. # [06:25] <paul_irish> it is totes doable.
  515. # [06:25] <mappum> wait, arent you the chrome guy everyone loves?
  516. # [06:25] <paul_irish> gtg. gl hf gg!
  517. # [06:25] <mappum> gg
  518. # [06:25] <mappum> who won
  519. # [06:25] <paul_irish> :D
  520. # [06:25] <paul_irish> we both did.
  521. # [06:25] <tw2113> i did
  522. # [06:25] <mappum> lame
  523. # [06:25] <tw2113> for seeing that exchange
  524. # [06:26] * paul_irish _o/\o_ mappum
  525. # [06:28] <mappum> the google plan to make v8 then push JS on everyone worked on me. i bet they were like "all the kids will love javascript"
  526. # [06:28] <mappum> and now i do js-heavy apps, with node on the server side
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  528. # [06:28] <tw2113> i can't help but think people would shart their pants 10 years ago if we told them js would come roaring back
  529. # [06:28] <mappum> haha
  530. # [06:29] <mappum> there are still lots of haters though
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  532. # [06:30] <tw2113> haters gonna hate
  533. # [06:31] <gildean> isn't google themselves adding dart to the mix?
  534. # [06:31] <gildean> which can be compiled as js tho'
  535. # [06:31] <gildean> and prolly in most cases will
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  537. # [06:32] <gildean> http://www.dartlang.org/
  538. # [06:33] <mappum> is dart JIT like v8?
  539. # [06:34] <mappum> oh man, it has a built in module system?
  540. # [06:35] <mappum> tell me when stable chrome ships with it :P
  541. # [06:35] <gildean> it has it's own vm, that can be run either on the server side or on the browser
  542. # [06:35] <divya> OK
  543. # [06:35] <gildean> chrome should/will ship the vm
  544. # [06:35] <gildean> also you can use the current compiler (iirc frog) to compile the code to efficient js
  545. # [06:35] <tw2113> evening divya
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  547. # [06:36] <mappum> compiler errors D: what is this magic?
  548. # [06:36] <gildean> i've just tested it, but it seems really interesting
  549. # [06:37] <mappum> does it comes with IO stuff? so you wouldnt need node?
  550. # [06:38] <gildean> in what way?
  551. # [06:38] <gildean> afaik it has i/o-libs but they're inteded for cli-usage
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  553. # [06:39] <gildean> as i said, i just found out about it myself, you can get lot more accurate info from the web
  554. # [06:41] <divya> hi tw2113
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  576. # [07:19] <j5098> i'm trying to copy a canvas to another, then horizontally flip the new one. i'm using putImageData, but it isn't working
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  579. # [07:26] <j5098> oh, got it thanks to jsfiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/Pxqbw/
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  615. # [08:21] <Lucky--> why does it take a damn rocket scientist to center things in CSS? they should just never deprecated <center> it works. every time. all the time.
  616. # [08:22] <Lucky--> I have to worry about oh, whether its a table, margin-left auto, vs position types & display types, and every combination of such
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  618. # [08:23] <tw2113> text-align for inline stuff, margin 0 auto for block stuff with widths set
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  639. # [08:51] <Lucky--> God. I can learn things quick, build/sell companies, have shit fall apart on me and my life without batting an eye lash, but css gives me nerd rage.
  640. # [08:52] <tw2113> it happens with some people
  641. # [08:53] <Lucky--> lol I learned c# / .net in 1 month
  642. # [08:53] <Lucky--> fkin still to this day having css show up right
  643. # [08:53] <Lucky--> f that, wheres hte designer I can outsource to
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  645. # [08:55] <tw2113> so do that
  646. # [08:55] <tw2113> no shame in that
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  868. # [15:39] <antoineB> hello, contextmenu attribute don't work on svg elements, but i can throw an contextmenu event
  869. # [15:39] <antoineB> how can i force the render of menu from javascript?
  870. # [15:39] <antoineB> <svg> <div contextmenu=""><svg></svg></div> </svg> this will work as expected
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  920. # [16:26] <kubson> hello
  921. # [16:27] <kubson> I am trying to write my first game with HTML5
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  923. # [16:27] <kubson> and I see that n Resources Panel in Chrome JS Tools some images are occur many times, does it mean that they are cloned in memory?
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  926. # [16:28] <Jon47> that's odd
  927. # [16:28] <Jon47> usually when you load one image it stays loaded on the page
  928. # [16:28] <Jon47> only gets loaded one time, i mean
  929. # [16:28] <Jon47> how many times do you see it in the Network panel?
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  933. # [16:30] <kubson> in network panel I see it also many times, so it means it is downloaded many times, right?
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  935. # [16:31] <kubson> I am using QuarkJS and I do something in wrong way or there is some but in it
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  1002. # [17:49] <kubson> anyone here uses QuarkJS?
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  1035. # [18:33] <WebDragon> hey folks
  1036. # [18:33] <WebDragon> gotta <section> question
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  1041. # [18:40] <WebDragon> damn interruptions
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  1043. # [18:41] <WebDragon> anyway, as I was saying, I gotta <section> question. www.charterdejavu.com/menu.php -- I'd like to break up the menu into a slidebar with one per day so the page isn't as long
  1044. # [18:41] <WebDragon> what's the general feeling about nested <section> tags ?
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  1047. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> Nothing wrong with them
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  1049. # [18:44] <edwardbc> just differentiating between using <div> for presentational aspects and <section> for data/info grouping should do the work
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  1051. # [18:45] <edwardbc> and now I feel like eating seafood, thanks WebDragon ._.
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  1053. # [18:45] <WebDragon> but if I wanted a generic wrapper around the group of sections (each depicting the menu for one day's worth) I'd use a div on the slider-wrapper
  1054. # [18:45] <WebDragon> edwardbc: :D
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  1056. # [18:45] <WebDragon> I been dreaming about salmon and mako shark steak for weeks :/
  1057. # [18:46] <edwardbc> ... in the beach. nuff said
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  1061. # [18:50] <WebDragon> life's a beach. and then you fry
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  1069. # [18:57] <tantek> WebDragon a French beach?
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  1073. # [18:59] <WebDragon> only if you're shooting photos for french postcards
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  1075. # [18:59] <WebDragon> >:)
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  1077. # [18:59] <kayam> hey
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  1080. # [19:01] * WebDragon is kind of annoyed that he can't use rel='photogroup' on the photo links that are to be grouped by the lightbox slider
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  1083. # [19:01] <WebDragon> damn htmlvalidator pukes all over the usage
  1084. # [19:02] <WebDragon> rev is gone, so I can't use that either (which I thought made more sense in the context of a lighbox gallery)
  1085. # [19:03] <WebDragon> and what do I do when I have several groups on one page ? one main page group (contentgroup) and one sidebar group for very large images -- I can't use the same rel=alternate for both groups as they're meant to be distinct
  1086. # [19:03] <WebDragon> discrete rather
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  1103. # [19:15] <tantek> WebDragon - do you have a URL for an example?
  1104. # [19:15] <tantek> also, feel free to pop into #microformats to discuss rel values in general
  1105. # [19:15] <tantek> might help
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  1203. # [21:42] <sunbeam> does anyone know a way of how i can grab all JS code that's used on a site at once?
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  1206. # [21:48] <moo-_-> sunbeam: the site or one page?
  1207. # [21:49] <sunbeam> moo-_-: one page
  1208. # [21:49] <moo-_-> sunbeam: use Firebug, pick up file urls manually and save?
  1209. # [21:49] <sunbeam> i like to reproduce some functionality of a slider, but in order to do that i need to be able to quickly find which function does it
  1210. # [21:49] <sunbeam> moo-_-: yes that's what i would normally do, but that takes me easily 15 mins to find
  1211. # [21:49] <moo-_-> sunbeam: ah, reverse engineering
  1212. # [21:50] <moo-_-> there is no silver bullet
  1213. # [21:50] <moo-_-> easier to find a open source library doing the same thing - depending on what you are doing
  1214. # [21:50] <sunbeam> moo-_-: take this, http://www.usa.philips.com/c/
  1215. # [21:51] <sunbeam> the sliding/fading out of the content, i check the source and find a function .theme() probably something custom, does that
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  1217. # [21:51] <sunbeam> i'd like to be able to see all js code of the page (maybe apart from jquery) and search for the function
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  1219. # [21:51] <sunbeam> instead of going through all js
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  1225. # [21:52] <moo-_-> sunbeam: where does it fade out content?
  1226. # [21:52] <sunbeam> moo-_-: click on one of the bullets
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  1228. # [21:55] <moo-_-> sunbeam: found it
  1229. # [21:55] <moo-_-> or
  1230. # [21:56] <moo-_-> I think Firebug Javascript debugger is enough
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  1232. # [21:56] <moo-_-> looks like the code is uncompressed and mainly jQuery
  1233. # [21:57] <sunbeam> moo-_-: how did you find it
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  1236. # [21:58] <moo-_-> I picked theme.js in Firebug Javascript debugger
  1237. # [21:58] <moo-_-> and it was like the first function
  1238. # [21:58] <moo-_-> / philips.theme.js - version 1.0 - 2011 - PV/PS
  1239. # [21:58] <moo-_-> / A jQuery plugin for the Philips landingpage main controller (NENA).
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  1243. # [22:03] <sunbeam> ah yep
  1244. # [22:03] <sunbeam> thanks
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  1246. # [22:04] <sunbeam> moo-_-: Firebug Javascript debugger as in?
  1247. # [22:04] <moo-_-> sunbeam: you know firebug?
  1248. # [22:05] <sunbeam> yup
  1249. # [22:05] <moo-_-> there is javascript tab
  1250. # [22:05] <moo-_-> which contains a list where you can see all the files loaded on the page
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  1252. # [22:05] <sunbeam> 'script' tab u mean
  1253. # [22:06] <moo-_-> yup
  1254. # [22:06] <moo-_-> that what is is called :)
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  1256. # [22:07] <sunbeam> ah
  1257. # [22:08] <sunbeam> Do you know a quicker way of what type of effect is created by which code?
  1258. # [22:08] <sunbeam> (apart from browsing through the files)
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  1298. # [23:04] <chrisdev> I've got some time to try some new tools - anyone got any recommendation for HTML5 IDEs/tools that dont frustrate hand-coders?
  1299. # [23:04] <chrisdev> mac preferably
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  1323. # [23:32] <tw2113> does safari ios not like background images by chance? or at least not huge ones?
  1324. # [23:33] <David_Bradbury> Not over 1k by 1k
  1325. # [23:33] <David_Bradbury> I don't know if it is 1k or 1024
  1326. # [23:34] <tw2113> so basically i need to get it within a good file size
  1327. # [23:34] <David_Bradbury> Well, you should anyways, it's mobile
  1328. # [23:34] <tw2113> yeah
  1329. # [23:34] <David_Bradbury> That said, I don't know if it matters how small of a file-size the file is
  1330. # [23:35] <tw2113> more the dimensions in this case?
  1331. # [23:35] <David_Bradbury> I think so
  1332. # [23:35] <tw2113> i wonder if this is for both ipad and iphone, or just iPhone hmm
  1333. # [23:36] <David_Bradbury> Both
  1334. # [23:36] <tw2113> if both support multi-backgrounds, i'll go that route
  1335. # [23:37] <tw2113> thanks for the info though
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  1345. # [23:43] <David_Bradbury> No problem, and they do
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