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  128. # [04:44] <agu10^> any idea why this takes so long to load? http://potentialstudio.com.ar/
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  160. # [07:17] <flebron> Hey. I'm trying to draw the contents of a WebRTC video onto a canvas. Am I doing it wrong somehow? I'm saying context.drawImage(video, 0, 0, width, height), the parameters defined as obvious. http://fedelebron.com/static/video.html
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  167. # [07:32] <flebron> (I'm using Chrome Canary, updated.)
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  172. # [07:41] <flebron> Ah, nevermind, <canvas> is broken on Canary :p
  173. # [07:43] <flebron> Or… nevermind. Restarted the browser and it now works. @_@
  174. # [07:44] <ryanseddon> thats what you get for living on the edge with canary
  175. # [07:45] <tw2113> oh birds
  176. # [07:45] * grantg wonders if Firefox for Windows XP can't run the audio for JS GBC correctly now
  177. # [07:45] <grantg> I removed some workarounds for firefox's bugs
  178. # [07:45] <grantg> for lower latency
  179. # [07:46] <grantg> "if firefox is having audio issues, it's their fault, not mine"
  180. # [07:46] <grantg> "bitch to mozilla why they labelled the bug report wontfix"
  181. # [07:46] <grantg> Won't fix broken audio on windows xp? okeeee doh keee
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  243. # [10:05] <Batmanian> Hi all
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  246. # [10:05] <Batmanian> Are there any standard for HTML 5 data- attribute namings? Like when to use data-role, data-behavior, etc.?
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  252. # [10:09] <tw2113> i think that's the point of the * in data-*
  253. # [10:09] <tw2113> data-whatever
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  255. # [10:10] <tw2113> but i could see myself being wrong. I'm still trying to come up with a great use for them :D
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  258. # [10:11] <Batmanian> tw2113 you are right that it can be used for arbitrary purposes, but there could be some conventions as well. Like if you are trying to describe the purpose of an element use "data-role" rather than "data-purpose"...
  259. # [10:12] <tw2113> isn't that what the role attribute is for though?
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  261. # [10:12] <_shorinji_> and then there's aria-role etc
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  263. # [10:13] <Batmanian> tw2113 well role is one example, you can think of others too: src, url, action, etc. for arbitrary elements
  264. # [10:14] <_shorinji_> but to be accessible, you should look at what attributes screen readers actually use
  265. # [10:15] <_shorinji_> my guess is that the data-* attributes isn't on top of their list
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  267. # [10:15] <tw2113> my interpretation is that data-* attributes are just meant for a little bit more for the webdev
  268. # [10:16] <tw2113> store a bit more data that the visitor doesn't need to see
  269. # [10:17] <tw2113> maybe that's why i haven't thought up a killer use yet. Nothing extra needed to store yet
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  344. # [12:09] <sunbeam> whats a proper tag for a headline banner text? eg. call us now on 1-900-223
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  346. # [12:10] <shwetank> i would say <aside>
  347. # [12:11] <sunbeam> ok
  348. # [12:11] <sunbeam> and for the phone number?
  349. # [12:11] <jak> <a href="tel:
  350. # [12:11] <shwetank> yup
  351. # [12:12] <sunbeam> ok thanks guys
  352. # [12:13] <sunbeam> and the big box where an image slider and navigation is in?
  353. # [12:13] <sunbeam> just a <div>?
  354. # [12:13] <sunbeam> (big box in the header)
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  356. # [12:14] <shwetank> i would say so ...
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  380. # [13:03] <Gungy> hiya
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  386. # [13:06] <Gungy> could someone please tell me what i can use to separate out items on my page? i.e. i have hyperlinks at top of page, and then when you click on hyperlink it jumps you to section on page, what i want is to have lots of space between my hyperlinks and the boxes, at the moment, when you view in browser, you see hyperlinks at top and you see the div boxes - need adequate space rather than doing
  387. # [13:06] <Gungy> lots of <br>
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  390. # [13:08] <_shorinji_> you use CSS for that
  391. # [13:08] <_shorinji_> margins and padding
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  393. # [13:09] <Gungy> can it be done without css?
  394. # [13:09] <Gungy> ideally
  395. # [13:09] <_shorinji_> it wouldn't be correct :)
  396. # [13:10] <_shorinji_> but you don't need separate css files if there's a problem with that
  397. # [13:11] <_shorinji_> you can do inline styling using style='…', but not as structured/maintainable
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  400. # [13:19] <_shorinji_> hard to give a better answer without more details
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  405. # [13:24] <Gungy> well ive got multiple <br> elements running across
  406. # [13:24] <Gungy> so looking for something less messy and more elegant
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  408. # [13:26] <_shorinji_> that has css written all over it :P
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  411. # [13:27] <Gungy> bugger]
  412. # [13:27] <_shorinji_> before I knew css, I also used <br> to do all spacing
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  415. # [13:32] <Gungy> ok so theres no expression we can use to say give me 100 <br>'s
  416. # [13:32] <TomWij> Why don't you just learn JS and CSS?
  417. # [13:32] <_shorinji_> html as such is no programming language … so no loops
  418. # [13:33] <sunbeam> with html5, is it still common to use div id="container" ?
  419. # [13:33] <TomWij> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Getting_Started
  420. # [13:34] <_shorinji_> if someone would do it, they'd use some serverside language to loop, even though the question of 100 brs makes little sense
  421. # [13:34] <TomWij> No need for a server _shorinji_, can be done using JS but even that still makes no sense.
  422. # [13:34] <_shorinji_> sure, sure
  423. # [13:34] <TomWij> <br /> is meant to start a new line not paragraph) in a text, not to start a thousand of them.
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  425. # [13:35] <TomWij> #myLinks { margin-bottom: 100em; } is more correct and shorter than any other weird approach one would come up with.
  426. # [13:35] <Gungy> thats what im trying to do - new lines but i know what u mean, but i gota do this without css somehow
  427. # [13:37] <TomWij> Why would someone not use CSS...
  428. # [13:37] <_shorinji_> maybe he has some weird autogenerated code
  429. # [13:38] <_shorinji_> to summarize, don't ask artisans to give you quick, 'slap-on' solutions that violates their craft :D
  430. # [13:38] <Gungy> lol
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  437. # [13:43] <_shorinji_> maybe you can explain why you cannot use css, and we will be less puzzled
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  439. # [13:44] <Gungy> i did an xml crash course recently, and my homework says strictly no css
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  441. # [13:44] <_shorinji_> I see
  442. # [13:44] <_shorinji_> then asking in a chat room is allowed then? :)
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  445. # [13:45] <Gungy> well seeking advice
  446. # [13:46] <_shorinji_> do you have a serverside language?
  447. # [13:46] <Gungy> so wanting to know if theres an alternative to using loads of <br>s
  448. # [13:46] <_shorinji_> not really
  449. # [13:46] <_shorinji_> everything is done with css these days
  450. # [13:46] <Gungy> fair enough
  451. # [13:47] <_shorinji_> in the olden days br was used for vertical space, and nbsp for horizontal
  452. # [13:47] <_shorinji_> but that's stone age today
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  462. # [14:01] <speakman> hi folks! Any idea if this technique with open articles has a name? http://svt.se/nyheter/ (sorry for swedish text but please try open an article)
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  471. # [14:10] <_shorinji_> hur menar du?
  472. # [14:10] <_shorinji_> like a news roll?
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  482. # [14:23] <speakman> _shorinji_: It's the "opening" of articles which happens in-page instead (utilizing history.pushState()) I though might be a known technique.
  483. # [14:24] <speakman> _shorinji_: [..] instead of opening a new page and reloading a bunch of stuff.
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  486. # [14:24] <_shorinji_> I see
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  488. # [14:24] <_shorinji_> web 3.0? :P
  489. # [14:25] <Taneb> ...I joined here to ask something, then remembered the answer
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  492. # [14:28] <speakman> _shorinji_: something like that :p
  493. # [14:28] <speakman> Taneb: you're welcome :p
  494. # [14:29] <speakman> _shorinji_: I was looking for a philosophy name like "responsive design" is for pages using media queries, and so on.
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  496. # [14:29] <_shorinji_> I see
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  502. # [14:30] <_shorinji_> can but guess ...
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  504. # [14:31] <Taneb> speakman, :P, It was a stupid question anyway
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  506. # [14:32] <Taneb> It was whether I can embed JSON in JavaScript
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  509. # [14:33] <_shorinji_> then you realized you'd be a fool not to do it? :P
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  511. # [14:34] <Taneb> Then I remembered why JSON was called that
  512. # [14:34] <speakman> Taneb: thanks for sharing :D
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  725. # [19:07] <sunbeam> a note under a header 3 for example <h3>Welcome to the club site</h3> and a smaller text "About club"
  726. # [19:07] <sunbeam> what should about club be? <span ?
  727. # [19:08] <sunbeam> or what would semantically be best
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  729. # [19:08] <David_Bradbury> sunbeam: Are you wanting "About club" to be a bit of text after it?
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  732. # [19:11] <sunbeam> David_Bradbury: below it yes, and smaller
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  737. # [19:14] <David_Bradbury> <hgroup><h3>Welcome to the club site</h3><h4>About club</h4></hgroup>
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  740. # [19:18] <sunbeam> ok
  741. # [19:18] <sunbeam> so a span below that would semantically be no good?
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  755. # [19:35] <David_Bradbury> Correct. You should only use span when there are no other proper choices
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  832. # [21:36] <bdiu> anyone looking for a new full-time gig? I'm hiring :-) (based in bloomington, indiana... great pay, great company...)
  833. # [21:37] <bdiu> my new offer i'm extending (only to people on IRC) is that if I hire someone they refer, I'll buy them an iPad or other craptastic Android tablet
  834. # [21:37] <bdiu> http://rideamigoscorp.com/content/jobs
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  836. # [21:38] <moo-_-> bdiu: do you have have constant IRC access as a perk?
  837. # [21:38] <moo-_-> :)
  838. # [21:38] <bdiu> sure
  839. # [21:38] <bdiu> heh
  840. # [21:38] <bdiu> and reddit
  841. # [21:38] <bdiu> :-)
  842. # [21:38] <bdiu> j/k I firewall that shit
  843. # [21:39] <bdiu> just kidding again
  844. # [21:39] <bdiu> I'll provide free IRC access to any employee that wants it
  845. # [21:39] <bdiu> lol
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  848. # [21:43] <thomasmyrman> bdiu: would you hire someone in a different country?
  849. # [21:43] <bdiu> It's not 100% out of the realm of possibilities... the person would have to be OUTSTANDING though
  850. # [21:43] <bdiu> I'd have to talk to our attorney about sponsoring a visa
  851. # [21:44] <thomasmyrman> hehe, just curious, don't worry about it
  852. # [21:44] <bdiu> you are the 3rd person to bring that up
  853. # [21:44] <bdiu> mostly canadians
  854. # [21:44] <bdiu> heh
  855. # [21:45] <thomasmyrman> I'm Swedish.
  856. # [21:45] <bdiu> cool
  857. # [21:45] <bdiu> I wish it were easier to bring people in from other countries
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  859. # [21:46] <bdiu> if it weren't for my need to collaborate face-to-face for the next year or two, I'd be glad to work remotely with someone
  860. # [21:46] <thomasmyrman> I don't fit the job though. Good luck it sounds like it's cool
  861. # [21:46] <bdiu> I have a full time vietnamese developer that rocks my socks off
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  886. # [22:17] <David_Bradbury> My boss doesn't care that I'm on IRC at work as long as I'm getting my work done
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  888. # [22:17] <_ryan_t> exactly
  889. # [22:17] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: having no IRC access would seriously hinder workability
  890. # [22:17] <moo-_-> I can tell this as a boss ;)
  891. # [22:18] <David_Bradbury> MyHah
  892. # [22:18] <moo-_-> you could not tap the vast community resources
  893. # [22:18] <David_Bradbury> Indeed
  894. # [22:18] <David_Bradbury> I like my boss
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  896. # [22:18] <moo-_-> also for bosses like bdiu having no IRC access would seriously limit the recruitment ability ;)
  897. # [22:19] <bdiu> hehe
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  899. # [22:19] <bdiu> I hop on IRC much more rarely than I did a decade ago, but it amazes me how helpful it is at times
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  901. # [22:20] <David_Bradbury> Indeed
  902. # [22:23] <_ryan_t> im just thankful for being able to throw on my headphones while working
  903. # [22:23] <_ryan_t> and just tune out and code
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  905. # [22:28] <David_Bradbury> Same, I switch between Pandora and YouTube and coast through the day writing code
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  907. # [22:30] <_ryan_t> yup .. fortunately I use Grooveshark since no Pandora in Canada
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