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# Session Start: Tue Jun 05 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:02] <paul_irish> daleharvey: boom awesome
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# [00:05] <danielfilho> neat! congrats daleharvey! :D
# [00:06] <danielfilho> _\||/ (does it look like a high-five hand? damn.)
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# [00:06] <danielfilho> o/\o - ok, it's better.
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# [00:19] <paul_irish> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/itl6mtx2dxI
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# [00:50] <tantek> paul_irish - any thoughts on dbaron's post?
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# [01:01] <Jurge> Not used HTML5 yet anyone got any good starting tutorials?
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# [01:05] <tantek> Jurge - I wrote one: http://tantek.com/html5
# [01:06] <Jurge> Awesome thanks!
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# [01:09] <paul_irish> tantek: i love it
# [01:10] <paul_irish> i'd love if there was also a timebomb aspect.. that like.. prefixed properties woudl be reviewed... x months after implementation to decided wether to kill off or continue work on them
# [01:11] <tantek> paul_irish well they're supposed to be continuously reviewed.
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# [01:11] <paul_irish> well that is also how its supposed to work right now :)
# [01:11] <tantek> one key aspect of dbaron's proposal is only shipping new prefixed properties in nightly/experimental/alpha/beta builds
# [01:11] <tantek> and *not* shipping in production
# [01:11] <paul_irish> moz does a better job than webkit here in reviewing zombie prefixed props
# [01:11] <paul_irish> tantek: right. i like that.
# [01:11] <tantek> that would likely reduce people depending on prefixes in production sites
# [01:12] <tantek> I have mixed feelings about it
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# [01:12] <paul_irish> i think we all hope that restriction forces everyone to do the hard interop/standards work faster
# [01:12] <tantek> I still want the web platform to move as fast as possible, including innovations from particular vendors
# [01:12] <tantek> because the competition there is non-web "native" platforms
# [01:12] <tantek> I think people are already doing the hard interop/standards work as fast as they have resources to do so
# [01:12] <tantek> I don't think this will force that any faster
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# [01:18] <paul_irish> tantek: on one hand , yes totally. and we have a bottleneck there
# [01:18] <paul_irish> but i think this helps prioritize unprefixing effectively which is good since 2d transforms debuted in 2007
# [01:19] <paul_irish> tantek: btw fine work jumping into the responsive images debate to capture use cases and all that.
# [01:21] <tantek> thanks. trying to do my part to facilitate progress and listening to the community.
# [01:26] <paul_irish> http://www.html5rubik.com/tutorial/
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# [04:32] <JonathanNeal> Hello!
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# [08:49] <tw2113> .caniuse multiple bgs
# [08:49] <tw2113> ?caniuse multiple bgs
# [08:49] <bot-t> tw2113, Couldn't find "caniuse multiple bgs" in jQuery Docs.
# [08:49] <tw2113> ?multiple bgs
# [08:49] <bot-t> tw2113, plugins.jquery.com - http://plugins.jquery.com/content/multiple-bg-11
# [08:49] <tw2113> bah
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# [08:49] <_shorinji_> some things google does better
# [08:50] <tw2113> looks like i have pretty good support in good browsers, maybe with a bit of prefixing
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# [08:51] <tw2113> oh wait no prefixes for this one
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# [08:52] <tw2113> modernizr it is
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# [15:01] <Jaami> cant do it but trying to set two different fonts on a button image. please check on http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [15:58] <Jaami> , i wan t to display text on an image in two different font family
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# [15:59] <Jaami> http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [16:01] <Jaami> anybody, can help ,?
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# [16:02] <skylamer`> u mean the black and white?
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# [16:03] <skylamer`> just change the font-family :)
# [16:04] <Jaami> i changed but image in background broket too
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# [16:06] <Jaami> if you see the page im designing you can understand my question http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [16:07] <Jaami> you will see "Basic $9.95" ther which im trying to fix
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# [16:09] <Jaami> im learning html and its my very first sample site im trying to design
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# [16:10] <Jaami> No, the "Basic $9.95" which should have background imagge of a button
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# [16:11] <Jaami> skylamer: are you helping me?
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# [19:13] <Jon47> there was a fun single-serve website that helped people decide what client-side templating engine to use based on features, does anybody remember the url for that?
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# [19:24] <JonathanNeal> Working on an html5 video polyfill for IE6+ that acts identical to html5, so things like video.src = 'video.mp4'; video.play() still work
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# [19:24] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-video-polyfill/Main.html -- so far I have most things working, IE6+
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# [19:31] <edwardbc> the cat's tail is missing on IE6
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# [19:51] <Jaami> how i can align the economy button with Basic button horizontally? http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
# [19:51] <Jaami> can someone help?
# [19:53] <edwardbc> Jaami: add display:inline-block to both
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# [19:53] <Jaami> thank you edward, i try
# [19:53] <edwardbc> float:left also works
# [19:54] <Jaami> actually, aligning elements is still confusing for me, can you give me link to understand elements alignment
# [19:54] <JonathanNeal> edwardbc: har har
# [19:55] <Jaami> please find link for me :) meanwhile i make the change
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# [19:58] <JonathanNeal> Okay, now I've got it going so that it will use <source> tags as well.
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# [19:59] <Jaami> edward, i changed the display:inline-block but economy button is not moving.
# [20:00] <edwardbc> Jaami: not the best one, but useful enough http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2010/06/07/the-principles-of-cross-browser-css-coding/
# [20:00] <edwardbc> you might want to go to #css as well
# [20:00] <edwardbc> and http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2009/10/05/mastering-css-coding-getting-started/
# [20:01] <Jaami> ok, edward, first let check those link then i will go to css
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# [20:54] <sunbeam> is it possible to set a certain css setting specific for mobile browsers only??
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# [21:02] <David_Bradbury> Well, that's a very general question
# [21:02] <David_Bradbury> And there are many answers depending on your needs
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# [21:03] <David_Bradbury> I'd recommend using an adaptive approach based on your user's resolution rather than targeting 'mobile'
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# [21:06] <daze> or media="handheld", rather than resolution
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# [21:07] <daze> mobile device resolutions are approaching desktop resolutions quite rapidly
# [21:07] <daze> you can check for size in cm/in, though
# [21:08] <iamdustan> sunbeam: check out github.com/skookum/categorizr.js
# [21:09] <sunbeam> iamdustan: thanks!
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# [21:10] <iamdustan> sunbean: np!
# [21:10] <nb-ben> anyone experienced with "web sql" ?
# [21:11] <Jaami> please anyone help. i was able to align 2 images but have to align 4 of them in a row. the float attribute isnt working for me. please check http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
# [21:11] <Jon47> jaami there is no float: center
# [21:12] <Jon47> float: left, right, none
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# [21:12] <Jaami> Jon: i used it , lol and really dont know why
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# [21:13] <Jaami> kindly suggest me what to do, to align all images in a row
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# [21:17] <Jaami> can anyone help me , i want to align 4 images in a row
# [21:18] <pa7> Jaami: use float:left.
# [21:18] <Jaami> for all?
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# [21:18] <Jaami> but i used float:left, it did not work
# [21:18] <pa7> .pricepackagebuttons div { float:left; }
# [21:18] <Jaami> ok, i try
# [21:19] <iamdustan> jaami: or remove the wrapping div around every single span in that row.
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# [21:20] <Jaami> imadustan: yeh, let me check
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# [21:22] <sunbeam> iamdustan: you used this?
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# [21:23] <Jaami> i checked the float:left as Jon47 told me. it moved all images in one column. now i am going to remove the wraping div as iamdustan tole me.
# [21:24] <Jaami> im checking it local, i will update in aminute
# [21:24] <iamdustan> sunbeam: I wrote it. Haven’t used it in production yet, just for little experiments.
# [21:25] <pa7> iamdustan: hehe nice :)
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# [21:26] <iamdustan> pa7: I like to have others test my experiments ;)
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# [21:29] <sunbeam> iamdustan: ok nice
# [21:30] <Jaami> thank you iamdustan: your idea works
# [21:30] <iamdustan> jaami: no problem. part of the reason is that div’s are block-level elements (span the full-width) while span’s are inline/text-level elements (only span the width required)
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# [21:31] <Jaami> imdustan: great, now i wont forget it
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# [21:34] <pa7> iamdustan: really know what you mean :D I also wrote some libraries and let others test em ( uncool thing was the massive amount of support emails complaining about stuff that didn't work :D)
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# [21:35] <iamdustan> pa7: I tried to cover my tail a little bit with adding some tests. Hopefully that’ll pay off.
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# [22:17] <Jaami> im using same lines of code on 4 different places in CSS #txBasic, #txEconomy, #txDeluxe, #txUnlimited. is there way to generalizee code. please check http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [22:18] <iamdustan> jaami: .pricepackagebutttons>span { /* all those styles */ }
# [22:18] <iamdustan> or use a class.
# [22:19] <Jaami> Allright, Thanks alot
# [22:19] <iamdustan> using classes is highly recommended over ID’s for styling (especially if it’s not a one-off component or set of rules) because of specifity
# [22:19] <Jaami> great, wont forget that
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# [22:34] <Aleminio> Hey guys, is there a problem with my code or firefox 12 doesn't support mp3 files with the audio tag?
# [22:34] <miketaylr> firefox 12 does not support mp3
# [22:35] <miketaylr> i don't recall when they plan on using OS codec decoding
# [22:36] <moo-_-> Aleminio: use AAC or OGG in web
# [22:36] <moo-_-> not MP3
# [22:36] <Aleminio> ya, but those are not supported in ie9 :\
# [22:36] <moo-_-> AAC is not supported?
# [22:37] <Aleminio> ogg isn't i will try aac
# [22:37] <Aleminio> what if i write 2 sources, will it play them both or will it try the first one and play the second if first one fails?
# [22:37] <moo-_-> Aleminio: see this https://github.com/miohtama/Krusovice/blob/master/src/music.js#L231
# [22:37] <loincloth> Aleminio: there is no one set of format and codec that will work everywhere
# [22:38] <Aleminio> of course loinc but at least ie\firefox\chrome at their latest versions
# [22:38] <moo-_-> Aleminio: yes you can also have multiple
# [22:38] <moo-_-> sources
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# [22:39] <loincloth> Aleminio: well isn't what they do and don't support known? find the set of things that covers the most with the least encodings
# [22:39] <moo-_-> loincloth: that would be AAC + OGG afaik
# [22:39] <Aleminio> ok guys, thanks, just 1 more question
# [22:39] <loincloth> sounds about right
# [22:41] <Aleminio> If i'm using js in order to add and remove the audio tag (with autoplay) when ever i want to play it, because i need it as a new message alart, will it cause any memory issues?
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# [22:42] <miketaylr> <audio> <source><source></audio>
# [22:42] <miketaylr> do that, problem solved
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# [22:43] <Aleminio> of course, but my question is about removing and adding it dynamically thousands of time on a single page, just want to make sure it won't cause any memory problems
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# [22:48] <Jaami> i could not fix that. trying to remove repeated code in CSS by using class but dont why it is not working. http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [22:51] <moo-_-> Aleminio: even if it caused there would be nothing you could do about it
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# [22:51] <moo-_-> so... :)
# [22:51] <moo-_-> Aleminio: but to be on the safe side
# [22:51] <moo-_-> edit audio.src
# [22:51] <moo-_-> there has been issues with Chrome
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# [22:54] <Jaami> i could not fix that. trying to remove repeated code in CSS by using class but dont why it is not working. http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
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# [22:54] <Jaami> can anyone help me ?
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# [22:58] <gavacho> Jaami: define your rule 1 time instead of 3. define it on pricepackagebuttons .iamanewclass
# [22:59] <gavacho> then apply class="iamanewclass" to your #txBasic, txEconomy and #txDeluxe elements
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# [23:10] <Jaami> gavacho: i need you to help me with sample code because this idea is new for me. (defining and applying classes) i dont know how to apply one class to different elements. Thank you
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# [23:10] <edwardbc> ...
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# [23:11] <edwardbc> Jaami: I seriously recommend you reading the links i sent ya earlier, otherwise you won't be understanding a lot even after you get help
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# [23:12] <edwardbc> <tagName id="uniqueId" class="className">
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# [23:13] <Jaami> dear Edward: i really appriciate all your help. i need to read all that, there is a lot new for me to look into.
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# [23:14] <Jaami> sometime i think the issue may take a minute to get resolved so always fall back on asking others
# [23:15] <edwardbc> just saying, some of those articles would make things easier, specially the basics
# [23:16] <loincloth> lol
# [23:16] <loincloth> "sometimes i think it may take work so fallback to having others do it"
# [23:16] <loincloth> is what i read
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# [23:17] <Jaami> not really, i am learning and not working for others. the site i gave is my personal site and its just a sample page i am working on. i know rules of work. but asking help is no bad either.
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# [23:17] <loincloth> CERTAINLY NOT
# [23:18] <loincloth> there's just the words you used.. and me reacting to them.. but don't worry about it
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# [23:18] <loincloth> i didn't even see your page. i'm sure it's grand. GOOD LUCK. FARE THEE WELL.
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# [23:18] <Jaami> :) thank you. same to you
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# [23:21] <Jaami> sorry forgot to let you see my work. http://jaami.co.cc/work/contactUS.html
# [23:21] <Jaami> nothing really impressive for you in my work.
# [23:23] <Jaami> saving time in hurry is sometime turn out to be waiting more
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# [23:39] <jarek> Hi
# [23:40] <jarek> is there a method like document.querySelectorAll(), but that would take a screen rectangle as argument?
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