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1. # Session Start: Thu Jun 07 00:00:00 2012
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5. # [00:03] <jreading> anyone have a good image processing canvas polyfill for the ie's that can save said image?
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36. # [00:31] <David_Bradbury> jreading: I think excanvas is the best thing available right now but I don't think you're going to get anything that can save the image
37. # [00:32] <David_Bradbury> Unless it uses flash
38. # [00:32] <jreading> yeah, i'm starting to feel that...
39. # [00:32] <jreading> right
40. # [00:32] <David_Bradbury> Or maybe some obscure VML to PNG converter :p
41. # [00:32] <jreading> there's a trick for SVG to png
42. # [00:32] <jreading> but alas that leaves out image editing
43. # [00:32] <David_Bradbury> You can't save it to png and edit the PNG?
44. # [00:33] <randomusername> paul_irish, well, it might sound a bit silly
45. # [00:34] <roy____> Hey Guys, the last time i built a website all you had to know was plain HTML, i could use Flash but i want my site to be accessible on mobile devices as well .. so as advice, this is a design i'd like to transform into a working website http://i.imgur.com/mic6T.png, anything you people would recommend for me to start looking or / learning and useful resources i might want have to take a look at ?
46. # [00:34] <jreading> need to u/l img and process… but will probably resort to vectors for ie only and use raphael and server
47. # [00:34] <randomusername> but I was thinking of a time tag, when you read news in a foreign paper for example, or see posts on a forum, you can't tell when the post was made in 99 cases out of 100
48. # [00:34] <randomusername> I was thinking of something like <time>[Epoch time]</time> that the browser interpreted
49. # [00:35] <randomusername> into the computers timezone
50. # [00:35] <randomusername> timezones shouldn't exist on the internet
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53. # [00:35] <randomusername> timezones are geographical constructs, the internet is global
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56. # [00:36] <randomusername> I think it'd be a great idea but I bet I'll be ridiculed
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59. # [00:37] <randomusername> especially with the us that has like 1000 timezones, no way you can know if the news you're reading is breaking or yesterdays
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61. # [00:37] <randomusername> I bet americans experience that as well
62. # [00:40] <randomusername> plus html5 already has a lot of silly tags, can't hurt with another
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78. # [01:03] <paul_irish> randomusername: http://developers.whatwg.org/text-level-semantics.html#the-time-element
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84. # [01:06] <Jaami> if there is ID and class both attributes in an element and there are different styles in CSS for ID and for class. which style will be implemented?
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90. # [01:14] <edwardbc_> Jaami: hate me, but I have another link for you on the matter: http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2007/07/27/css-specificity-things-you-should-know/
91. # [01:16] <Jaami> Hi Edward, how are you ?
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94. # [01:17] <edwardbc_> great , you?
95. # [01:18] <Jaami> im fine, Thanks again for the link
96. # [01:18] <edwardbc_> no problem :)
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123. # [01:58] <randomusername> paul_irish, neat, thanks
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233. # [04:49] <danielfilho_> dudes
234. # [04:50] <danielfilho_> anyone knows how this movie was made? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5863446593724321515
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241. # [05:06] <rodd> danielfilho_ is it something like this that you're looking for? http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/layout-paint-flashing-in-firefox/
242. # [05:06] <danielfilho_> yeah
243. # [05:06] <danielfilho_> just found it out
244. # [05:06] <danielfilho_> just had to toggle nglayout.debug.paint_flashing on about:config
245. # [05:06] <danielfilho_> thanks anyway rodd :D
246. # [05:07] <rodd> beleza
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249. # [05:10] <danielfilho_> oooh, brazilian! :D
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272. # [06:14] <pitchfork> .
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281. # [06:38] <tw2113> anyone awake?
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283. # [06:40] <ArtificialEX> are there any published (and preferrably marketplace) games made with WebGL yet?
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288. # [06:46] <josiah_> What element would you suggest including a company slogan in?
289. # [06:46] <ArtificialEX> <slogan>Your slogan here</slogan>
290. # [06:46] <josiah_> I've got the company name in a h1 tag, but i'm not sure whether to include the company slogan in the h1 tag also
291. # [06:47] <tw2113> nothing wrong with a good ole <p> tag below it
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293. # [06:47] <josiah_> I was thinking p
294. # [06:48] <ArtificialEX> h2 why not?
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381. # [08:49] <ellis_wong> why html5 <input type="month" id="month"> display chinese like "2001年11月" ！
382. # [08:50] <ellis_wong> on ipad
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391. # [08:59] <ellis_wong> :-*
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395. # [09:03] <moo-_-> ellis_wong: you are using chinese as your langauge?
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399. # [09:09] <ellis_wong> yes
400. # [09:10] <ellis_wong> but if I user type=“date” ，it display 2001-11-01
401. # [09:11] <ellis_wong> it make me confused
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437. # [10:08] <daze> maybe set the <html> lang attribute? :/
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441. # [10:17] <ellis_wong> oh ！how to set lang attribute in masterpage
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465. # [10:48] <lep_> i'm using a video element as background to a website, It's set to autoplay and loop, does anyone know of a hack to make it autoplay in mobile, if not phones at least on android tablets +ipads?
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497. # [11:19] <moo-_-> lep_: mobile does not support autoplay
498. # [11:19] <moo-_-> and probably never will (apple)
499. # [11:19] <moo-_-> due to bandwidth costs and other sad excuses
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555. # [13:09] <artheist> hi all
556. # [13:10] <artheist> I got a question concerning WebAudioKit and streaming
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558. # [13:11] <artheist> I currently have an application that can load a local audio (.wav) file and do some processing with it using the audio file as an arraybuffer
559. # [13:12] <artheist> Now, I want to be able to do the same processing with a streaming audio (icecast), but I am little confused about the way toachieve it
560. # [13:13] <pitchfork> read the docs?
561. # [13:14] <artheist> I am able to play it correctly, using the <audio> but I can't find a way to retrieve this playing audio as an Arraybuffer
562. # [13:15] <artheist> pitchfork : well, I have been digging the web about this, but which docs are you talking about exactly ?
563. # [13:15] <pitchfork> icecast docs
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565. # [13:17] <artheist> well, the problem imho is not icecast side, cause I can play the stream correctly, but rather html5/js side to find the proper function that can convert a .ogg stream into an arraybuffer
566. # [13:18] <artheist> more specifically creatMediaElementSource takes audio as an argument
567. # [13:18] <artheist> but decodeAudioData takes an arraybuffer
568. # [13:19] <artheist> what I would like is converting my audio into a source.buffer that can then be treated as an arraybuffer
569. # [13:19] <artheist> but this doesn't seem to work and/or I am not using these properly
570. # [13:19] <artheist> does it make sense ?
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572. # [13:21] <artheist> (it seems there are flash solutions to achieve this but I would rather not use flash as far as possible)
573. # [13:21] <artheist> by the way, it seems there's a lot more for dealing with video than audio which is quite frustrating
574. # [13:22] <artheist> like video.js for example
575. # [13:24] <artheist> ok ...
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578. # [13:30] <artheist> ... no one ?
579. # [13:32] <moo-_-> artheist: jsfiddle.net example would help?
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583. # [13:32] <moo-_-> artheist: you mean the API does not exist or you get an error mesage?
584. # [13:32] <moo-_-> saying does not work really does not tell anything
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590. # [13:36] <artheist> moo-_- : I got an error while doing this
591. # [13:36] <artheist> var audio = new Audio()
592. # [13:36] <artheist> audio.src = 'url_to_my_stream.ogg'
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594. # [13:37] <artheist> var context = new webkitAudioContext();
595. # [13:37] <artheist> var source = context.createMediaElementSource(audio);
596. # [13:37] <moo-_-> artheist: please paste code examples to jsfiddle.net or pastie.org
597. # [13:37] <artheist> ok, sorry
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615. # [14:17] <vikash> Example for #CSS3 transition -> http://thimbletest.org/p/dbf Please review it
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655. # [15:14] <ffs82defxp> guys how can i stop elements that are contenteditable from also editting their parent's content?
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658. # [15:19] <AskMP> Morning all… |_P
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667. # [15:29] <AskMP> ffs82defxp: the parent content shouldn’t be editable…
668. # [15:29] <AskMP> only the nested element would be.
669. # [15:30] <ffs82defxp> That's what i thought. I just never set the height and width
670. # [15:30] <ffs82defxp> its working now
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710. # [16:27] <Lectus> Hello! I want to learn html5. What's a good html5 aware editor to get me started?
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712. # [16:28] <_shorinji_> that's opening up a can of worms :)
713. # [16:29] <_shorinji_> I use gvim every day, but I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers
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715. # [16:30] <Lectus> I use vim a lot
716. # [16:30] <Lectus> but I want more like an IDE
717. # [16:31] <Lectus> for web dev
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719. # [16:32] <_shorinji_> lot of my collegues use netbeans
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721. # [16:33] <iamdustan> c9.io
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759. # [17:10] <j0e^> if theres a method or a property i'm not sure if its jQuery or javascript, is there a site/documentation i can just search for it ?
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761. # [17:11] <j0e^> i'm just learning and every time i google something i'm not fammiliar with it brings up different sites and usually its not a formal documentation
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763. # [17:12] <progzer> Is there any way to scale a background-image (sprite sheet with animations)?
764. # [17:12] <progzer> Perhaps draw to a canvas?
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767. # [17:15] <Pomax> paul_irish: http://www.typotheque.com/articles/opentype_features_in_web_browsers
768. # [17:15] <Pomax> fix chrome~
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780. # [17:31] <paul_irish> Pomax: there is an open ticket on this
781. # [17:31] <paul_irish> pretty sure our tokyo office is active on this effort right now
782. # [17:32] <Pomax> ah, cool
783. # [17:32] <paul_irish> j0e^: yeah that's how it works in web development. :)
784. # [17:32] <Pomax> that means they are likely to do vert/vrt2/kana/etc too, which this article seems to ignore
785. # [17:32] <paul_irish> racist article.
786. # [17:32] <Pomax> I demand my Japanese features
787. # [17:32] <paul_irish> :D
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790. # [17:38] <vikash> paul_irish, ping
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792. # [17:38] <paul_irish> hey vikash
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794. # [17:38] <vikash> hello
795. # [17:38] <paul_irish> you see j0e^'s comment above? :'(
796. # [17:39] <vikash> me?
797. # [17:39] <vikash> No
798. # [17:39] <paul_irish> well okay. what's up
799. # [17:39] <vikash> Read
800. # [17:39] <vikash> :-)
801. # [17:40] <vikash> j0e^: yeah that's how it works in web development. :) via paul_irish again
802. # [17:40] <vikash> :D :D
803. # [17:40] <paul_irish> " [08:03:18] i'm just learning and every time i google something i'm not fammiliar with it brings up different sites and usually its not a formal documentation "
804. # [17:40] <paul_irish> ya
805. # [17:40] <vikash> I was talking about prefixes and w3org dropped
806. # [17:41] <vikash> he need to read specs :-)
807. # [17:41] * edwardbc_ is now known as edwardbc
808. # [17:41] <vikash> what should I do now ?
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812. # [17:42] <vikash> paul_irish, ^
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814. # [17:42] <paul_irish> vikash: you're asking me what to do? :)
815. # [17:42] <paul_irish> is this about the h5r patches?
816. # [17:43] <vikash> yup
817. # [17:43] <vikash> things change so dynamically in the web world :-)
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819. # [17:44] <vikash> paul_irish, so what should I do? I think prefixes would still make sense as a patch
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821. # [17:45] <RonaldoMcDonald> Hey guys, quick questions. As per html5 spec, are you able to used the header element more than once on a page?
822. # [17:45] <paul_irish> vikash: is this for the article content? i think in most cases we've done well but we could use some fix ups. i'd love patches for them.
823. # [17:45] <paul_irish> the example in the filters article is ideal, we have some magic to recommend preprocessors
824. # [17:46] <vikash> magic, as in ?
825. # [17:46] <Pomax> RonaldoMcDonald: yes
826. # [17:46] <paul_irish> RonaldoMcDonald: yes you can. it doesnt really do much
827. # [17:46] <paul_irish> i take that back. it gets an implied ARIA role.
828. # [17:46] <Pomax> it's semantic, it just says "this is the header for whatever part-of-page you are now looking at"
829. # [17:46] <Pomax> so one header per section = fine
830. # [17:46] <Pomax> because i tmakes sense
831. # [17:46] <paul_irish> ++.
832. # [17:46] <Pomax> multiple headers just randomly on the page = don't do that =D
833. # [17:47] <RonaldoMcDonald> hmm, thanks for the help. I ask because i'm tasking to make an interface that contains sub windows and i wanted to give each window(div) a header element
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835. # [17:48] <RonaldoMcDonald> *tasked
836. # [17:48] <Pomax> if the window is just a graphical element inside a larger "single thing", I'd recommend not using headers
837. # [17:48] <Pomax> think of <header> as "this says something about this bit of page that can be treated as an isolated thing on its own"
838. # [17:48] <RonaldoMcDonald> Pomax, yea, that's what I was thinking..
839. # [17:48] <RonaldoMcDonald> thanks again ;)
840. # [17:49] <paul_irish> vikash: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/filters/understanding-css/#toc-how
841. # [17:50] <paul_irish> the +filter bit with the tooltip
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843. # [17:51] <vikash> AVAILABILITY IN MODERN BROWSERS
844. # [17:52] <vikash> the source looks pretty -moz-filter: ...
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846. # [17:52] <paul_irish> yeah the source has all variants..
847. # [17:52] <vikash> yeah :-) I am seeing it
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849. # [17:53] <vikash> Today, I was writing an example for Transition so couldn't see it and respond to the tweet :)
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851. # [17:54] <vikash> and had been very busy all day :-) :-)
852. # [17:56] <vikash> Filters + Boot2Gecko = Simple instagram :-)
853. # [17:56] <paul_irish> vikash: http://code.google.com/p/html5rocks/source/browse/www.html5rocks.com/content/tutorials/getusermedia/intro/en/index.md#350
854. # [17:56] <paul_irish> bbiab
855. # [17:56] <Pomax> anything + B2G = instant win
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857. # [17:57] <vikash> paul_irish, the code looks very pretty
858. # [17:58] <vikash> whosoever written it, I must say, its awesome, I couldn't have written such one at all
859. # [17:58] <vikash> paul_irish, I got no reply for my cla? is it accepted or rejected?
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869. # [18:05] <vikash> Great articles!
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871. # [18:06] <vikash> I will contribute soon, for sure
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878. # [18:10] <j0e^> ppaul_irishh : & vikash - tnx for the reply! ! mm.. maybe an IDE with a good html5 plugin with small explenation that pops up when you use a method? .. I guess i just got used to the good life of android sdk...
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881. # [18:11] <vikash> j0e^, you can try Aptana and it has eclipse plugin too
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885. # [18:12] <j0e^> ««vikash»» ill check it out thanks!
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887. # [18:12] <vikash> np
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892. # [18:13] <j0e^> can you see the ugly colors on your nickname or is it only in my script?
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894. # [18:14] <vikash> its because you tagged me in the post
895. # [18:14] <j0e^> yea but its only visible on my client right?
896. # [18:15] <vikash> it has to
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900. # [18:17] <j0e^> ok .. sorry i dont remember what i did to this mirc client 10 years ago..
901. # [18:18] <vikash> :-)
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905. # [18:18] <paul_irish> qSA is 8x faster in webkit now. http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/119330/
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930. # [18:41] <David_Bradbury> I hope at some point there will be a way to make an element some sort of filter mask. Say for example, a div that you have floating a picture that makes that section behind the dive grayscale or blurred
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933. # [18:42] <David_Bradbury> s/dive/div
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937. # [18:43] <paul_irish> vikash: basically after you submit it, you're good
938. # [18:43] <paul_irish> turns out we dont have a "you're accepted!'" email :)
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941. # [18:44] <jarek> paul_irish: do you have any clues how many people are currently working on Dart at Google?
942. # [18:44] * paul_irish shrugs
943. # [18:45] <paul_irish> dunno
944. # [18:45] <tw2113> what is the download url for chrome canary?
945. # [18:45] <tw2113> i think that's their nightly
946. # [18:45] <paul_irish> i know a search engine you can use to find that, tw2113
947. # [18:45] <ryan_tait> https://tools.google.com/dlpage/chromesxs
948. # [18:45] <tw2113> well played *goes to duckduckgo*
949. # [18:45] <jarek> there doesn't seem to be happening a lot around Dart, which makes me sad :|
950. # [18:45] <paul_irish> sxs stands for side by side.
951. # [18:46] <paul_irish> jarek: there is. follow Seth Ladd on G+
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955. # [18:46] <tw2113> bah, windows only
956. # [18:46] <paul_irish> canary is mac & win only
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958. # [18:46] <paul_irish> no linux ya
959. # [18:47] <tw2113> lame, maybe next time i boot into windows
960. # [18:47] <tw2113> *evernotes the url*
961. # [18:47] <JasonStoudt> paul_irish: Is there a place where we can make some noise to get a canary build on linux?
962. # [18:48] <tw2113> twitter
963. # [18:48] <jarek> JasonStoudt: Google already provides daily builds for Linux
964. # [18:49] <jarek> JasonStoudt: check http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-continuous/index.html
965. # [18:49] <jarek> and http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html
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967. # [18:50] <JasonStoudt> jarek: thanks, seems the chromium repo I am on here is a version behind chrome stable
968. # [18:51] <jarek> JasonStoudt: if I recall correctly http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-continuous/index.html contains Chrome builds (even though the URL says it's Chromium)
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970. # [18:52] <tw2113> ok better question, what version is canary at right now? i see this in the fedora repos: google-chrome-unstable.i386 21.0.1163.0-140240
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974. # [18:55] <paul_irish> tw2113: http://omahaproxy.appspot.com/viewer
975. # [18:55] <paul_irish> 21.0.1167.0
976. # [18:56] <tw2113> looks like i wouldn't be far off then with that unstable one then
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978. # [18:56] <paul_irish> yup
979. # [18:56] <paul_irish> lgtm
980. # [18:56] <JasonStoudt> jarek: seems like it's in between the port from chromium to google chrome -- there's some hints of google chrome and some hints of chromium
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982. # [18:57] <paul_irish> hmm?
983. # [18:57] <paul_irish> in canary?
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986. # [18:58] <JasonStoudt> paul_irish: I downloaded the build jarek directing to me above
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989. # [18:59] <tw2113> bah, that's why i never did much with this...forgot that fedora doesn't allow multiple versions of chrome at once. May need to find a way around that
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994. # [19:01] <sethladd> someone asking about Dart? :)
995. # [19:01] <paul_irish> jarek: ^
996. # [19:01] <paul_irish> JasonStoudt: those are just straight up edge chromium builds.
997. # [19:02] <sethladd> jarek: if you have questions, let me know, happy to help
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1002. # [19:05] <JasonStoudt> paul_irish: jarek: nice...looks like there a ton more dev tool features coming down the line
1003. # [19:05] <paul_irish> bigtime
1004. # [19:05] <jarek> sethladd: oh, hi!
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1007. # [19:05] <jarek> sethladd: what is the best place to follow the development of Dart?
1008. # [19:05] <jarek> sethladd: (besides your posts on Google plus and Dart blog)
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1010. # [19:08] <jarek> there was also http://dartweekly.com/, but it seems to be dead
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1014. # [19:08] <sethladd> Hi Jarek! Try news.dartlang.org, +Dart: Structured web apps, and/or @dart_lang. Pick your poison :)
1015. # [19:09] <sethladd> oh, also blog.dartwatch.com has good community updates
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1017. # [19:10] <jarek> cool, bookrmarked
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1019. # [19:11] <jarek> is there something like CoffeeScript for Dart?
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1021. # [19:12] <tw2113> i'm sure sheppy with Mozilla will be glad to reach July...getting rid of mindtouch for MDN
1022. # [19:13] <j0e^> is right shifting to a float variable in javascript automatically resize the variable to int?
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1024. # [19:14] <jarek> j0e^: there are no ints in JS
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1026. # [19:15] <j0e^> what do you meen? how many bits does it use if i assign say- var a = 3; ?
1027. # [19:16] <j0e^> mean*
1028. # [19:16] <paul_irish> vikash: email me.. paulirish@ and we can sync up better
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1030. # [19:17] <jarek> j0e^: afair it would be 64 bits
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1032. # [19:17] <vikash> paul_irish_, sure and thanks for taking interest :-)
1033. # [19:17] <vikash> sethladd, hey,
1034. # [19:18] <vikash> sethladd, hows life, and dart going?
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1037. # [19:18] <jarek> sethladd: how many developers are working on Dart (language spec, compiler, IDE) now?
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1039. # [19:19] <zirman> j0e^: js uses IEEE 754 floats. http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
1040. # [19:19] <vikash> jarek, you must join #dart
1041. # [19:19] <vikash> jarek, and search for Dart Hackathon too
1042. # [19:19] <sethladd> jarek: yes, so we don't spam this channel, I'll see you in #dart :)
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1044. # [19:19] <vikash> you will find lots of resources on that
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1046. # [19:20] <jarek> I thought you can talk about anything related to browser here :P
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1049. # [19:21] <j0e^> ««zirman»» wow.. tnx..
1050. # [19:21] <Jayflux> paul_irish_ good vid, not began to use css pre-processors yet I will wait till they are used a lot in production. But good run down off all apps/tools
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1054. # [19:25] <tw2113> how will they start getting used in production if people don't start using them now?
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1060. # [19:34] <David_Bradbury> Lots of people I know use pre-processors
1061. # [19:35] <David_Bradbury> I use it sometimes, but I have a hard time letting go of control sometimes :P I'm totally fine with pre-processing my CSS, but HTML and JS, I have issues with for some reason
1062. # [19:35] <David_Bradbury> - second "sometimes"
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1065. # [19:37] <tw2113> my only real issue is if someone else who doesn't know about SASS/LESS goes in and edits the compiled version, i'd need to make sure to know about the changes
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1067. # [19:38] <jarek> with the current state of the dev tools it's counter-productive to use SASS/LESS
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1070. # [19:41] <David_Bradbury> Well, I'd assume that if you're using pre-processing that either you're working solo, have your entire team using it, or only you are responsible for the portions you work on
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1074. # [19:42] <tw2113> heh, there's an idea. give everyone their own stylesheet
1075. # [19:42] <tw2113> and make it version control s you can see if anyone else commits to yours
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1082. # [19:51] <jarek> do you know of any working examples of shadow DOM usage?
1083. # [19:52] <jarek> I was thinking about using it for custom widgets such as sliders and select boxes, but it seems to be an overkill
1084. # [19:53] <jarek> if I don't need the widgets to be sandboxed from the rest of the app then there is no point in using shadow DOM, right?
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1091. # [19:57] <vikash> paul_irish_, Can I pm for 2 min
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1094. # [19:59] <vikash> paul_irish_, Sent :) thanks
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1099. # [20:04] <Jayflux> David_Bradbury and thats the point, im not working solo most of the time, another reason im not using it yet
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1155. # [20:58] <David_Bradbury> Fair enough :)
1156. # [20:59] <David_Bradbury> Any ideas on how one might do a drag and drop between to items instead of on top of the items?
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1236. # [22:47] <teear_> hello
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1239. # [22:48] <David_Bradbury> Hi
1240. # [22:49] <teear> If i were a html 5 tag i were a <drunkenmunky></drunkenmunky> tag, eh, mate
1241. # [22:50] <David_Bradbury> <label id="teear" role="drunkenmunkey">Indeed</label>
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1243. # [22:51] <teear> caniuse, I would like to use a tag on my bag on my shag with the ladies with the tag on the shag on the bag with the id of teear and role of the whiskeybottle, yarr
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1248. # [22:54] <teear> Anything new in html 5 in these last few months?
1249. # [22:54] * boaz|away is now known as boaz
1250. # [22:55] <teear> Any new polyfills
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1276. # [23:33] <computa_mike> quick question : I am working on a HTML desktop application using Titanium Studio but I'm not convinced that I should be continuing with titanium studio given that they're dropping support for Desktop applications - Any advice regarding what I could use instead. Ideally I'd like to package for win / mac / lin.
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1278. # [23:34] <teear> Go with Margaret Thatcher
1279. # [23:35] <computa_mike> huh?
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1296. # [23:58] <David_Bradbury> Just curious, what does Titanium Studio allow you to do what you can't do with a decent text editor and some debugging tools (Firebug/Chrome, etc...)?
1297. # [23:59] <David_Bradbury> Are you wanting your program to run as a stand-alone app instead of in a browser?
1298. # Session Close: Fri Jun 08 00:00:00 2012

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