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  1. # Session Start: Sun Jun 10 00:00:01 2012
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  5. # [00:01] <scar> i see <header></header> -- can i effectively do <foo></foo> and in css apply foo { } ?
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  12. # [00:06] <_AskMP_> scar: you can but don’t
  13. # [00:06] <_AskMP_> header is a valid tag
  14. # [00:06] <_AskMP_> there is a definition to the tag names.
  15. # [00:06] <_AskMP_> foo is no context
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  17. # [00:08] <_AskMP_> to quote w3schools: element should be used as a container for introductory content or set of navigational links.
  18. # [00:08] <_AskMP_> Hypothetically, you could create a tag <waffles></waffles>…
  19. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> who doesn’t like waffles
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  21. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> but then the <bacon></bacon> would get jealous…
  22. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> so don’t
  23. # [00:09] <imsky> <syrup><waffles /></syrup>
  24. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> stick to the tags that have true definitions.
  25. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> They create context to your content.
  26. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> That is their intent
  27. # [00:09] <scar> _AskMP_: i was just curious didnt know it was reserved. makes things easier. so div class/id are still the way to go, eh?
  28. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> ………
  29. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> no
  30. # [00:09] <_AskMP_> create structure
  31. # [00:10] <scar> so body, header, then div id="main" ?
  32. # [00:10] <_AskMP_> If your content calls for it, use tables.
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  34. # [00:10] <_AskMP_> depends on what you need div for
  35. # [00:11] <_AskMP_> I would personally put the "main" id on the header as it seems to be your main header to the document
  36. # [00:11] <_AskMP_> You can have multiple headers
  37. # [00:11] <_AskMP_> each within their own sections
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  39. # [00:12] <_AskMP_> Here is my Prezi of one of the talks I’ve done on the subject
  40. # [00:12] <_AskMP_> http://prezi.com/xezxense1c6b/fitc-toronto-2012-i-heard-you-like-divs/
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  42. # [00:13] <_AskMP_> Granted, it doesn’t have the same effect without context itself however there is some code samples of bad and good
  43. # [00:13] <scar> i just havent seen anything but like <header></head> <div id="wrapper" (or whatever)></div> <footer></footer>
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  45. # [00:13] <scar> i will look @ the prezi
  46. # [00:13] <scar> ty
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  99. # [01:51] <beeeviiz> i've build a very[!] simple websocket server (all it does is to send received messages back) using nodejs. shouldn't all connected clients receive messages sent through the server?!
  100. # [01:51] <beeeviiz> example: i have a firefox and a chrome window with my sockets.html which connects to my websocket server.
  101. # [01:51] <beeeviiz> when i send a message in firefox using socket.send('test'); shouldn't chrome receive a message "test" as socket.onmessage event?
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  493. # [14:14] <Knx> I've been testing out drawing a menu interface with canvas (http://www.lemonjello.co.uk/test/pstest.htm) but moving onto mouse interactions seems to be a real headache ... am I misusing Canvas? Should I be looking to use something else?
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  503. # [14:32] <niloy> Knx, why are you using canvas and not the DOM?
  504. # [14:33] <niloy> Knx, dont use canvas, drawing menu isnt what canvas is meant to do, just use the normal HTML and CSS
  505. # [14:35] <Knx> Because I started off with nearly no knowledge, was looking for something non flash/flex/silverlight, creating something similar with pure CSS seemed to be an abomination. So I've been trying to work out what the limitations of Canvas were, and hit referencing problems with mouse events.
  506. # [14:36] <niloy> Knx, what you did there can be easily done with CSS, its actaully too easy
  507. # [14:38] <niloy> Knx, also, try SVG instead of Canvas, SVG has mouse events
  508. # [14:39] <Knx> Yeah, I did something similar prior with CSS, but using border-triangles.... which was horrid with poor or no edge aa. Is there a more appropriate way with CSS when generating fairly complex shapes with transparency and gradients?
  509. # [14:39] <niloy> using images?
  510. # [14:40] <Knx> *winces*
  511. # [14:40] <niloy> then just go for SVG
  512. # [14:40] * Knx nods, "I'II go take a look."
  513. # [14:41] <niloy> but whats the issue with images?
  514. # [14:41] <niloy> you will only need 2 images, one with blue background and other with brown
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  516. # [14:42] <gildean> you could create that with css only, but it might take more space than the images
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  518. # [14:43] <niloy> and would be a nightmare to maintain
  519. # [14:44] <gildean> i have a couple of demos that don't use images at all, but the shapes i use are mostly very simple, check here: http://ok.salaliitto.com/IPv6 or http://ok.salaliitto.com/city
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  521. # [14:45] <Knx> Mostly I just /feel/ it's so simple it shouldn't need images. But I also want to look at doing small transforms and animations and from past experiences images potentially look bad when, rotated, scaled etc and more complex effects like moving a radial gradient etc... yeah, I guess images might not be able to easily do everything I'd like to try.
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  523. # [14:50] <Knx> Much appreciated, niloy. And nice demos, gildean.
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  695. # [20:47] <mokush> any type experts around? can anybody tell me what type of sans-serif (geometric, grotesk, etc.) this font is? http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Oxygen
  696. # [20:50] <gildean> i would say grotesk
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  699. # [20:54] <mokush> gildean: seems loosely based on the original webos font. http://www.fontbureau.com/blog/palm-pre-system-fonts/
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  720. # [21:32] <nonge> I want to use html5shiv (<https://github.com/aFarkas/html5shiv>). Do I need to add only "html5shiv.js" in my HTML or "html5shiv-printshiv.js", too?
  721. # [21:32] <nonge> I don't know JavaScript, but in "html5shiv.js" I can't find any reference to "html5shiv-printshiv.js" … So, does that mean: If I want to have print support, I'd have to add both scripts in my HTML?
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  759. # [22:28] <idoo> i'm using html5 video tag as a background to a website, it works but apparently some users have a DIVX plugin installed on their chrome and it doesn't display the video propertly, and messes up the whole site, is anyone aware of this? is there a workaround?
  760. # [22:29] <grantg> play divx movies in an object or embed tag
  761. # [22:30] <grantg> it's not native
  762. # [22:30] <grantg> so don't use <video> to play it
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