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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jun 18 00:00:01 2012
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  5. # [00:01] <Mallo> Morning everyone ! I have a quick question about canvas in opera. A simple fillrect(0,0,50,50) call does not have the same rendering on opera and firefox for example. In Opera, the rectangle is not a 100px wide square but has a different size depending on the window size. Is this an issue or am I doing something wrong ?
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  21. # [00:19] <Pomax> Mallo, it'll depend on what your canvas's width and height values are, and how you then scale those values based on CSS for your canvas.
  22. # [00:19] <Pomax> it's possible FF and Opera render differently without explicit width/heigth values, although you might want to see what other browsers do, and if Opera is the only different one, file a bug for it
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  26. # [00:22] <Mallo> Pomax: Firefox and Chrome are drawing 50*50px squares. IE seems to be drawing a 50*50% square and opera is in between...
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  45. # [00:43] <newy6> any html5/mobile game devs here. we're gathering some feedback for a new game engine we're working on
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  47. # [00:44] <Pomax> hit up #bbg
  48. # [00:44] <Pomax> the browser-based games channel
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  52. # [00:46] <newy6> Pomax: sweet. thanks for the suggestion.
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  575. # [16:19] <poolshark> hi, does anybody know wether the top window and an iframe within said window have different history objects? can i expect to see diferent history states between the two?
  576. # [16:20] <Jon47> poolshark: yes
  577. # [16:21] <poolshark> thanks Jon47
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  583. # [16:27] <dmachi> poolshark: in older ie it also depends on when the iframe was created and how. search for 'a tale of two iframes'
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  585. # [16:27] <poolshark> thanks dmachi, i was just thinking about ie :)
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  587. # [16:28] <dmachi> np
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  609. # [16:57] <rajatarora> How can i change the default error message in Html5 validation?
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  652. # [17:53] <sledges> hello
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  654. # [17:54] <sledges> can I get mouse cursor position once caught the event <video>.onclick() ?
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  658. # [17:56] <David_Bradbury> !g test
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  662. # [17:56] <JasonStoudt> sledges: yes, you can
  663. # [17:56] <David_Bradbury> Google 'onclick jquery coordinates'
  664. # [17:57] <David_Bradbury> err
  665. # [17:57] <David_Bradbury> Sorry, I read that as *.click()
  666. # [17:57] <David_Bradbury> not onclick
  667. # [17:57] <David_Bradbury> But yes you can
  668. # [17:58] <David_Bradbury> event.clientX / clientY
  669. # [17:58] <David_Bradbury> But it also depends on what browsers you want to support
  670. # [17:58] <David_Bradbury> And are you wanting offset from the page or the object?
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  686. # [18:10] <sledges> David_Bradbury, thank you, I would settle for FF+Chrome (hopefully Opera & Safari)
  687. # [18:10] <sledges> and I want offset from the object (i.e. within the video)
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  730. # [19:10] <s33k> is it possible to change the key of a json object according to a variable?
  731. # [19:10] <s33k> i need to create a json object which will either be {"margin-left": x} or {"margin-right": x}
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  733. # [19:11] <s33k> but when i try store the direction (left/right) in a string, and use
  734. # [19:11] <s33k> {"margin-" + direction : x}
  735. # [19:11] <s33k> it doesn't work
  736. # [19:11] <s33k> can someone tell me how to get around this?
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  750. # [19:22] <Jon47> s33k yeah, you can only use strings as keys in object literal notation
  751. # [19:23] <Jon47> if you want to use a variable you need to use the array map notation: varVar['margin-' + direction] = x;
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  754. # [19:23] <s33k> why can't i manipulate the string(the key) before creating the object?
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  756. # [19:24] <s33k> the thing is i need to pass the object to JSON.animate() function
  757. # [19:25] <danheberden> s33k, so make your object and then pass it
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  764. # [19:29] <s33k> when i checked online i found that i'll have to create the object like {"margin-direction":x} and then have to stringify the object and do a string of "direction" with either right or left
  765. # [19:29] <s33k> is there a better way to do it ?
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  772. # [19:30] <jarek> Hi
  773. # [19:31] <jarek> is it possible to stretch CSS background image non-proportionally?
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  775. # [19:31] <jarek> "background-size" property seems to be supporting only proportional scaling
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  781. # [19:34] <danheberden> s33k, no idea what you're trying to accomplish really. If you want it to be variable just `var obj = {}; obj["margin-"+whateverDirection] = x; /* do whatever with obj now */`
  782. # [19:34] <s33k> danheberden: oh cool
  783. # [19:34] <s33k> thanks
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  786. # [19:35] <jarek> s33k: why don't you decode the JSON string end modify it as regular object?
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  788. # [19:36] <s33k> jarek: how? i need to modify the key
  789. # [19:36] <jarek> s33k: wait, you already have a JSON object, right?
  790. # [19:36] <jarek> and you would like to change some variables in it?
  791. # [19:37] <s33k> no.. i have to change a key in the object
  792. # [19:37] <s33k> but anyways its fixed now
  793. # [19:38] <jarek> convert JSON string to JS object, change the key and then stringify it back to JSON string
  794. # [19:38] <s33k> with the method danheberden told some time back
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  797. # [19:38] <danheberden> fwiw, it's the method Jon47 was explaining to you
  798. # [19:38] <danheberden> i just gave you an broader example
  799. # [19:39] <s33k> jarek: thats what i'd been doing initially.. i needed a more elegant way
  800. # [19:40] <s33k> danheberden: yeah.. but i understood it well after the example you gave
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  807. # [19:47] <Adawerk> !"
  808. # [19:47] <JasonStoudt> anybody have a chance to play around with the gamepad api in ff or chrome?
  809. # [19:47] <Adawerk> crap
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  838. # [20:07] <grantg> paul_irish: http://i.imgur.com/QYIT1.png ... wat?
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  841. # [20:09] <rmill> caniuse sockets json
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  843. # [20:09] <caniuse> rmill: You can use Web Sockets, and JSON parsing with Firefox 6, and Chrome 14. http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets http://caniuse.com/#search=json
  844. # [20:09] <rmill> ^^ shepazu
  845. # [20:09] <shepazu> cool beans
  846. # [20:10] <grantg> hi shepazu
  847. # [20:11] <shepazu> hi, grantg
  848. # [20:11] <shepazu> we should have a talk soonish, grantg
  849. # [20:13] <grantg> m'kay
  850. # [20:14] <tw2113> grantg seems like every month I see one of your emulators submitted to HN
  851. # [20:15] <grantg> tw2113: It's true
  852. # [20:15] <JasonStoudt> grantg: What other emulators have you created?
  853. # [20:16] <JasonStoudt> I'm actually working on a 2600 emulator right now
  854. # [20:16] <grantg> nice
  855. # [20:16] <grantg> I haven't done much recently
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  857. # [20:16] <grantg> should touch that js gba emulator coding again
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  859. # [20:18] <uf0work> there we go.
  860. # [20:18] <uf0work> SASS dudes around? got a quick one
  861. # [20:19] <uf0work> is there any way to auto compile all and any .scss files
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  863. # [20:19] <uf0work> like a command to watch all
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  865. # [20:19] <uf0work> versus having to type --watch specific file..
  866. # [20:19] <uf0work> ?
  867. # [20:20] <JasonStoudt> uf0work: You can type --watch dir_name, and it will watch all the sass files in that directory
  868. # [20:20] <uf0work> JasonStoudt: can I literally do ALL and any files though?
  869. # [20:20] <uf0work> like any file ever created in .scss?
  870. # [20:21] <JasonStoudt> It will only watch files with .scss and .sass extension I believe
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  872. # [20:21] <uf0work> yeah of course..
  873. # [20:21] <grantg> JasonStoudt: JS needs moar 6502 assembly code
  874. # [20:21] <grantg> :P
  875. # [20:21] <uf0work> I don't mean any file.. i mean any .scss ever created
  876. # [20:22] <uf0work> so like that if I decide to create a sass file in directory X
  877. # [20:22] <uf0work> it'll auto compile
  878. # [20:22] <uf0work> without me having to specify that directory name
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  880. # [20:22] <JasonStoudt> uf0work: You need to tell it what directory to watch, I don't know of any way around that
  881. # [20:23] <JasonStoudt> grantg: https://github.com/jstoudt/html5atari
  882. # [20:23] <JasonStoudt> grantg: 8-bit CPUs are the new black
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  884. # [20:24] <uf0work2> sorry..
  885. # [20:24] <uf0work2> my other nick is dead..
  886. # [20:24] <uf0work2> something like this... sass --watch *
  887. # [20:24] <uf0work2> "sass --watch *"
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  889. # [20:24] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: let me know if that makes sense
  890. # [20:25] <uf0work2> if it's not possible.. fine i'll stick to manually specifying directory names
  891. # [20:25] <uf0work2> but if it is.. that would be awesome
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  895. # [20:27] <jarek> is it allowed for SVG element no have no viewBox, with and height attribute?
  896. # [20:27] <jarek> s/no have/ to have
  897. # [20:27] <jarek> s/with/width
  898. # [20:27] <jarek> sorry for typos
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  903. # [20:32] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: I don't think it is possible... if sass has to watch too many locations in your file system, it would become very nonperformant
  904. # [20:32] <JasonStoudt> esp. in the case where it falls back to polling
  905. # [20:32] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: cool
  906. # [20:32] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: got one more.. should I install sass with gem install sass --pre
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  908. # [20:33] <uf0work2> or regular gem install sass
  909. # [20:34] <JasonStoudt> I always just use the release version, I would say you should, too unless you want some edge features
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  912. # [20:34] <uf0work2> is doing the --pre ever install a beta
  913. # [20:34] <uf0work2> and is it safe?
  914. # [20:35] <uf0work2> I mean I obviously want a stable version but if --pre gives me latest and stable.. then I wouldn't mind doing that
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  916. # [20:36] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: I'm pretty sure pre stands for prerelease... so there is a chance it will be less stable
  917. # [20:37] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: gotcha, sounds good
  918. # [20:37] <JasonStoudt> Ultimately, you need to check if the prerelease version has something that you want to use that the release version doesn't
  919. # [20:37] <uf0work2> if I --watch a directory
  920. # [20:37] <uf0work2> in order for me to run that command
  921. # [20:38] <uf0work2> I need to be outside or up one directory correct?
  922. # [20:38] <uf0work2> to specify that dir I assume
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  925. # [20:39] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: You can use 'sass --watch .' to watch the directory you are currently in
  926. # [20:39] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: ahh that's genius :)
  927. # [20:39] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: thanks!
  928. # [20:40] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: What I usually do is have my scss files and css files in a different directory
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  930. # [20:40] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: so in your case in would be some thing like this.... "sass --watch scss_dirt:css_dir"
  931. # [20:40] <uf0work2> right?
  932. # [20:40] <JasonStoudt> So I usually execute 'sass --watch scss:css' to watch the .scss files in the scss directory and have the compiled css files moved to the CSS directory
  933. # [20:40] <uf0work2> ditto
  934. # [20:41] <uf0work2> got it
  935. # [20:41] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: You got it
  936. # [20:42] <uf0work2> JasonStoudt: so a more general question... are you liking sass and are you using it more these days in projects?
  937. # [20:43] <JasonStoudt> uf0work2: I am only using it in small projects, but overall I do like it
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  939. # [20:45] <JasonStoudt> Being able to separate my CSS into different files makes development easier, and you don't need to give much consideration when building production CSS files
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  1034. # [22:46] <jarek> is there anything wrong in using several id attributes with the same value?
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  1036. # [22:46] <jarek> I know that it is non-standard, but it work fine
  1037. # [22:47] <imsky> what
  1038. # [22:47] <jarek> s/work/works
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  1040. # [22:47] <jarek> I mean something like <div id="zoomWidget"> placed several times in the same document
  1041. # [22:48] <jarek> according to the spec, there could be only one element with "zoomWidget" id, which is lame
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  1043. # [22:49] <quest88> why is it lame? id is short for identifier. How else can you uniquely identify an element?
  1044. # [22:50] <quest88> you should use class instead
  1045. # [22:51] <jarek> quest88: it's lame because it assumes that I keep everything in one global scope
  1046. # [22:51] <jarek> my app is split into several components
  1047. # [22:52] <jarek> and it would be more convenient if I were allowed to decide in which scope the id attribute is unique
  1048. # [22:55] <Jon47> the id is unique by document
  1049. # [22:55] <Jon47> if your app spans several documents, then go nuts
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  1053. # [22:57] <jarek> Jon47: the problem is that my app must be placed inside one document (no iframes), so I can't really use ID attribute to identify parts of various components
  1054. # [22:58] <jarek> I guess I should use something like <div data-id="zoomWidget">, but targeting it from CSS is verbose
  1055. # [22:58] <Jon47> what's wrong with class="zoomWidget"
  1056. # [22:58] <tantek> Jon47 +
  1057. # [22:59] <Jon47> searching by class is the second fastest way to query a DOM i think
  1058. # [22:59] <jarek> Jon47: zoomWidget is the ID of the widget in my component, it should be unique (but only inside this component)
  1059. # [23:00] <Jon47> does the component have a class?
  1060. # [23:00] <Jon47> or an id?
  1061. # [23:01] <Jon47> you can use DOM traversal to find the zoomWidget within a containing component..
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  1067. # [23:07] <jarek> Jon47: I never use DOM traversal methods to find elements
  1068. # [23:07] <jarek> Jon47: all elements are already linked to JS objects in my app
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  1070. # [23:08] <jarek> I need ID for styling
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  1073. # [23:10] <Jon47> jarek scoped CSS is on the way, but i think right now you're stuck with descendent selectors in your CSS
  1074. # [23:10] <jarek> class attribute would not be semantic because my widget is unique (but only in the scope of the component)
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  1076. # [23:11] <jarek> JoeK: from my read of shadow DOM spec you can only scoped CSS must be placed inline between <style></style> tags
  1077. # [23:11] <jarek> s/JoeK/Jon47
  1078. # [23:12] <jarek> Jon47: from my read of shadow DOM spec scoped CSS must be placed inline between <style></style> tags
  1079. # [23:12] <jarek> sorry for typos
  1080. # [23:12] <Jon47> ah, that might be the case, i haven't looked much into it, was waiting for better support before reading up
  1081. # [23:12] <Jon47> i think this is your best bet:
  1082. # [23:12] <Jon47> #componentId .zoomWidget {}
  1083. # [23:13] <jarek> I'm afraid that shadow DOM will be pretty much useless for anything except Facebook and Google Plus +1 buttons
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  1087. # [23:14] <Jon47> i think that scoped CSS and shadow DOM are different things - i thought the shadow DOM was elements that don't exist in the DOM but do exist in the UI (eg, "X" button on search inputs, controls and arrows on sliders and select lists, etc..)
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