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- # [03:55] <faryshta> Is there a way to use the <audio> and <video> tags without letting the user download the files?
- # [03:57] <mike5w3c> faryshta: yeah
- # [03:57] <mike5w3c> s
- # [03:58] <mike5w3c> see youtube
- # [04:00] <faryshta> mike5w3c, but how do they do it?
- # [04:00] <mike5w3c> dunno
- # [04:00] <mike5w3c> basically the same way they do it for flash video I guess
- # [04:01] <mike5w3c> anyway it's a server-side thing
- # [04:01] <mike5w3c> nothing different on the client side
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- # [05:33] <grantg> http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/
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- # [06:03] <grantg> heh
- # [06:04] <grantg> For people using the gamecenter, they can type in the browser's console gameboy.setSpeed(number) and replace number with anything above 0 to change the emulator speed.
- # [06:04] <grantg> :P
- # [06:04] <grantg> Hidden settings lol
- # [06:05] <grantg> To beat those difficult levels
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- # [07:33] <jaybuffet> how can i go about outputting to a webpage the absolute path to a file stored in temp storage by the file api (i.e. c:\users\me\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\File System\003\t\00\00000000)
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- # [07:35] <jaybuffet> i would like to show a link to <a href="filesystem:http://localhost/myword.doc">myword.doc</a> and have that open up in Word to be able to be edited
- # [07:35] <jaybuffet> that would be ideal
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- # [08:15] <jshannon> is there a canvas "move to top" (e.g. z-index) method?
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- # [08:19] <llrcombs_> jshannon: wouldn't that just be determined by the order in which you draw on it?
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- # [08:19] <llrcombs_> e.g. if you draw a shape after everything else on the canvas, it's on top
- # [08:20] <jshannon> presumably. but then the boxes are getting moved around, so some that are drawn earlier end up on top of those drawn later
- # [08:20] <llrcombs_> you'll have to redraw the boxes
- # [08:20] <llrcombs_> <canvas> is lower-level than you think
- # [08:21] <jshannon> hmm... don't think i can do that... but thanks.
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- # [08:21] <llrcombs_> you've essentially got a whole bunch of pixels that you can modify
- # [08:21] <llrcombs_> if you want to address objects and move them around, then you have 2 options
- # [08:22] <jshannon> yeah. but i'm using a library (http://arborjs.org/), so i have limited control
- # [08:22] <llrcombs_> if you're working primarily with rectangles and sprites, you can just use html tags and move them around
- # [08:22] <llrcombs_> otherwise, use a <canvas> library that does all the drawing for you
- # [08:23] <llrcombs_> if your library draws for you, you may be able to specify something similar to a z-index for an object (internally, it's just drawn later, but you don't have to worry about it)
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- # [08:23] <llrcombs_> also, you could put a <canvas> on top of a <canvas>
- # [08:24] <llrcombs_> use one for your background stuff and one for your overlay stuff
- # [08:24] <llrcombs_> (if the library doesn't give you enough control)
- # [08:25] <llrcombs_> so that's option 3
- # [08:25] <llrcombs_> option 3 seems most useful to you
- # [08:25] <jshannon> yeah... i'll play with it.
- # [08:25] <jshannon> thanks.
- # [08:25] <llrcombs_> option 4 would be to switch to an SVG, but you can't do that either
- # [08:26] <llrcombs_> you can do a lot with SVGs embedded in HTML
- # [08:26] <jshannon> i was hoping i could do rect.moveToTop() :)
- # [08:26] <llrcombs_> but not if your library doesn't allow it
- # [08:26] <llrcombs_> nope; you draw something and then it's there. You can re-draw it later if you put stuff on top of it, but...
- # [08:26] <llrcombs_> think of it like flattening all your layers in Photoshop
- # [08:27] <llrcombs_> whereas SVG is more like Illustrator (really, SVG _is_ Illustrator, as Illustrator can use SVG files)
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- # [08:48] <jcislife> html5 designed, would love some feedback guys :) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4165836
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- # [18:54] <edwardbc> yep then do what David_Bradbury says, I like backbone.js myself
- # [18:55] <mhelvens> Great!
- # [18:55] <David_Bradbury> See, I'm partial to JavaScript MVC, but that's because I think their 'classes' are sexy
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- # [18:55] <David_Bradbury> But plenty of people use both
- # [18:55] <mhelvens> I currently use neither, so I'll have to catch up. ;-)
- # [18:55] <mhelvens> I'm familiar with the MVC pattern, though.
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- # [18:56] <mhelvens> I see that "Javascript web applications" as suggested by Graister describes Backbone.
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- # [18:59] <edwardbc> mhelvens: there's actually a bunch of these libraries: Backbone, JavaScript MVC, Ender, Spine
- # [18:59] <edwardbc> and also in another branch there's ExtJS and Sencha Touch
- # [18:59] <mhelvens> Do they all implement the MVC pattern?
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- # [18:59] <edwardbc> and Capuccino
- # [19:00] <edwardbc> not necessarilly
- # [19:00] <edwardbc> (ignore the ender mention lol)
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- # [19:00] <mhelvens> "Javascript web applications" seems very relevant. And is quite recent. I might order that one.
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- # [19:00] <mhelvens> I'll first check out the links David posted though.
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- # [19:01] <Graister> it is a good book, so go for it :)
- # [19:01] <mhelvens> :-)
- # [19:02] <mhelvens> Do you feel it's still "current"?
- # [19:02] <mhelvens> Hm. What am I complaining about. It's less than a year old.
- # [19:03] <mhelvens> It's also cheap. I'm buying it.
- # [19:03] <mhelvens> Thanks for the suggestion!
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- # [19:04] <Graister> well yes, some libraries might be updated, but the stuff he writes about hasn't changed much
- # [19:05] <edwardbc> you know what's always current? google.com
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- # [19:05] <edwardbc> xD
- # [19:05] <David_Bradbury> Google also recommends crap like w3schools
- # [19:06] <edwardbc> yeah i still hate that about it, when the hell is MDN (at least) going to appear before that crap
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- # [19:07] <mhelvens> w3schools is great for quickly looking up tags and such.
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- # [19:07] <mhelvens> Other than that...
- # [19:08] <edwardbc> that's because it's first on SERPs , otherwise there are plenty of better resources for quick searching
- # [19:08] <edwardbc> it's a matter of perspective :p
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- # [19:08] <David_Bradbury> ^
- # [19:09] <mhelvens> Ah, here's another question: I've come to like Eclipse. Using it for a lot of stuff now. Can you recommend a plugin for developing javascript apps?
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- # [19:09] <mhelvens> With syntax highlighting and all that other good stuff?
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- # [19:10] <Pomax> eclipse has a javascript mode.
- # [19:10] <Pomax> http://eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-javascript-web-developers/heliosr
- # [19:10] <Pomax> (if you are set on using eclipse)
- # [19:11] <mhelvens> I'm already using eclipse for a lot of stuff, so yeah. What do you use?
- # [19:11] <Pomax> I was a professional java developer, using eclipse. perhaps oddly, I now use a text editor and my brain for JS
- # [19:12] <Pomax> if the files aren't organised in a way that lets me know where they are, code organisation wasn't good enough.
- # [19:12] <mhelvens> I used to like simple text editors. Eventually the benefits of a full-fledged IDE cought up with me.
- # [19:13] <Pomax> going to be honest - JS is nowhere nearly as complex an API as java.
- # [19:13] <David_Bradbury> I've mostly been using Sublime 2 at home. I have to use the in-house text editor at work.
- # [19:13] <Pomax> there aren't a million billion functions in even more objects in neatly namespaced packages because otherwise they collide.
- # [19:14] <edwardbc> i switched to Sublime after seeing it mentioned here and testing it, works great
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- # [19:17] <mhelvens> I understand that Eclipse might be overkill. But hey, I'm using it anyway. Might as well stay with what I know. And still, it probably offers neat features such as code completion, code browsing, automatic uploads, etc.
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- # [19:18] <Pomax> now now "might as well stay with what I know" is kind of the polar opposite of "trying something new" like going into web dev =D
- # [19:18] <mhelvens> I can certainly check in with my SVN server, which I do with all my code.
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- # [19:18] <Pomax> mm
- # [19:18] <Pomax> I liked eclipse with svn when I had no choice.
- # [19:18] <Pomax> but a texteditor and github have made me not regret leaving
- # [19:19] <Pomax> that said, a lot of swearing at git occurred at first ;)
- # [19:19] <mhelvens> I may have to check out git. Still, there's so many things I should check out. And I happen to have access to a handy remote svn server.
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- # [19:20] <edwardbc> there's editors with command line or svn/git integration as well :)
- # [19:20] <mhelvens> I'm sure there are.
- # [19:20] <mhelvens> I hear emacs is a veritable operating system.
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- # [19:22] <mhelvens> Exactly. When I'm in a terminal anyway, I use vim. Simply because that's what I learned first, and it's pretty efficient. But for serious development, I like Eclipse.
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- # [19:23] <mhelvens> Would not have expected that.
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- # [20:31] <mhelvens> Out on 18 July.
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The end :)