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  96. # [02:36] <fubar10> Hey guys, I have a question.
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  98. # [02:36] <fubar10> Is there a way that I can have a navigation menu expand and insert content? I'm trying to recreate an accordion menu...
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  100. # [02:37] <fubar10> I have the cliable links in the header, but have the content I want in between in <article> tags.
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  107. # [02:41] <Pomax> just remove the dom node from the element you want, keep it in a variable, and then append it to where it needs to go instead
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  110. # [02:43] <fubar10> Pomax, I'm extremely new to javascript -- care to point me to the right direction to understand what you just typed?
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  114. # [02:49] <Pomax> hm, I suck at pointing people at javascript resources, since I mostly use MDN, which is not the most useful for "learning"... that said, you probably want to have a google for tutorials on JavaScript's "removeChild()" and "appendChild()" functions
  115. # [02:50] <Pomax> basically the idea is that you do "var myNode = document.getElementById('TheNodeIWant'); myNode.parentNode.removeChild(myNode); document.getElementById('TheThingIwantItIn').appendChild(myNode);"
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  117. # [02:51] <Pomax> so 1) find relevant DOM node, 2) extract from the DOM, 3) inject back into the DOM in a different place
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  133. # [03:23] <gpantazis> fubar10: I can only see about half of your convo, but you might be better served with jQuery if you're newer to JS.
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  137. # [03:29] <fubar10> Pomax: Thanks for the awesome pointers! Pomax++
  138. # [03:31] <Pomax> using jQuery the numbered concepts still hold - find the element using a css selector, then move from where it is to where you want it using theThingIfound.appendTo($('the selector for the thing it needs to go into'))
  139. # [03:32] <Pomax> so, for instance $('#thingamajig').appendTo($('#containerkajigger'))
  140. # [03:32] <Pomax> to move the thinamajig to inside ye goode olde containerkajigger
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  142. # [03:32] <fubar10> Hahah. Awesome. Quick question, what exactly does the $ denote?
  143. # [03:32] <fubar10> Is it just a variable?
  144. # [03:33] <fubar10> A way to say "this"
  145. # [03:33] <fubar10> ?
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  148. # [03:34] <Pomax> $ is the shorthand variable for the jQuery global var,
  149. # [03:35] <Pomax> provided you've not loaded another library that also uses $
  150. # [03:35] <Pomax> jQuery('#thingamajig').appendTo(jQuery('#containerkajigger'))
  151. # [03:35] <Pomax> same thing, safer syntax, usually needlessly safe
  152. # [03:35] <fubar10> I guess that PHP really had me freaked out about it.
  153. # [03:36] <Pomax> $ and _ count as 'may be used anywhere in a variable name' characters in JavaScript
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  155. # [03:36] <Pomax> var $$_$_$___$_$__$$$_$ = "lol"; is 100% legal JS
  156. # [03:36] <Pomax> albeit really stupid ;)
  157. # [03:37] <Pomax> but because $ is nice and short, and distinct from "meaningful" variables, libraries like to use it.
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  159. # [03:37] <Pomax> (and you might encounter it as a temp var)
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  161. # [03:39] <fubar10> Gotcha.
  162. # [03:40] <fubar10> ANother thing that I saw was function(e), function(i) and function(k,v). Is there a special significane or does that just mean that they take those parameters?
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  164. # [03:47] <Pomax> just parameters.
  165. # [03:47] <Pomax> with particularly poor names
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  180. # [04:18] <fubar10> Ok. I have something like this.
  181. # [04:19] <fubar10> var foo = "#myid"
  182. # [04:19] <fubar10> In javascript.
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  184. # [04:19] <fubar10> How can I call document.getElementById("#myid") using foo instead of #myid?
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  192. # [04:33] <Pomax> document.getElementById doesn't use a css selector.
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  194. # [04:33] <Pomax> it's either jQuery("#idofelement") or document.querySelector("#idofelement") or document.getElementById("idofelement")
  195. # [04:34] <Pomax> so: var quirrel = "dividcarrot", element = document.getElementById(squirrel);
  196. # [04:34] <Pomax> off for the day, bbt
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  368. # [11:51] <nicket> Anybody interested building a "simple" offer calculator script? PM me for more info and pricing.
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  370. # [11:53] <miloud> Hi guys
  371. # [11:53] <miloud> while using jquery mobile how can I tell it to use an on touch based event like ontap instead of onclick ?
  372. # [11:53] <miloud> Thanks in advance for yr time =)
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  375. # [11:59] <moo-_-> miloud: you mean you need to know if using mouse events or touch events to bind your event handlers?
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  379. # [12:06] <miloud> moo-_-, well see in jqm when u do: <input type="button" href="something"...etc
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  381. # [12:06] <miloud> jqm does automatically slide to the pahe in the href by sliding for example (ie in my case)
  382. # [12:06] <miloud> what I want is simply replace the behavior of the click from onclick to ontouchstart for example
  383. # [12:07] <miloud> i can sure bind the event to my button on load but i think this is dirty
  384. # [12:07] <miloud> i want to turn the jqm button onclick into another event
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  387. # [12:12] <moo-_-> miloud: don't add onclick="" in HTML
  388. # [12:12] <moo-_-> it's bad
  389. # [12:12] <moo-_-> instead, bind your events using jQuery.bind()
  390. # [12:12] <moo-_-> and you can choose what event to use
  391. # [12:12] <miloud> moo-_-, i did not add onclick jquery mobile does it automatically
  392. # [12:12] <miloud> and i want to use something else like on touchstart
  393. # [12:12] <moo-_-> ah
  394. # [12:12] <miloud> see?
  395. # [12:12] <moo-_-> sorry
  396. # [12:12] <moo-_-> I though you wrote it by hand
  397. # [12:12] <miloud> np :)
  398. # [12:12] <miloud> oh no =)
  399. # [12:13] <moo-_-> miloud: It's a while since I used jQM
  400. # [12:13] <moo-_-> but you can poke its internal, the function which does this behavior
  401. # [12:13] <moo-_-> and change it
  402. # [12:13] <miloud> moo-_-, oh ok did u like it?
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  404. # [12:13] <moo-_-> and monkey-patch it to use your own event type
  405. # [12:13] <miloud> moo-_-, i see lol
  406. # [12:13] <moo-_-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_patch
  407. # [12:14] <moo-_-> miloud: first you need to locate jQM source code setting the event and then poke around to see how you could change it
  408. # [12:14] <moo-_-> jQM is not a black box
  409. # [12:15] <miloud> moo-_-, got it so they did not plan something in the api for that purpose :/
  410. # [12:15] <miloud> that's too bad
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  412. # [12:15] <moo-_-> miloud: but you can still most likely override the function which does the binding
  413. # [12:16] <miloud> moo-_-, indeed i got it but i think for performance matter i shouldn't nest a layer on top of jqm ^
  414. # [12:16] <miloud> thanks man
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  416. # [12:16] <moo-_-> miloud: it's not a performance matter
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  418. # [12:16] <moo-_-> miloud: you can dynamically change javascript functions on any object
  419. # [12:16] <moo-_-> miloud: there is no performance penaly
  420. # [12:16] <moo-_-> because they are dynamic in the first place
  421. # [12:17] <miloud> hmm i see
  422. # [12:17] <moo-_-> you just switch the function once after the code loads
  423. # [12:17] <miloud> i'll try to follow that direction thanks !!!
  424. # [12:17] <moo-_-> jQuery.blaablaablaa.something = myNewFunct
  425. # [12:17] <miloud> indeed
  426. # [12:17] <moo-_-> miloud: it does not always work
  427. # [12:17] <moo-_-> because good API doesn't expose internals
  428. # [12:17] <miloud> hmm
  429. # [12:18] <moo-_-> but many times you can hack around of the lack of API limitations with this kind of programming
  430. # [12:18] <moo-_-> if it doesn't work then the next step is work jQM and simply change it in the source, rebuild minified version
  431. # [12:18] <moo-_-> work/fork
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  433. # [12:20] <miloud> moo-_-, thanks man very nice overviexw
  434. # [12:21] <miloud> will try that
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  462. # [13:29] <simenbrekken> Any better way to handle multiple close weights in IE other than variant specific font names?
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  465. # [13:32] <simenbrekken> Also I ran into what might be the most obscure IE7/8 bug: Specifying a font-family >= 32 bytes prevents the font from ever being loaded.
  466. # [13:32] <simenbrekken> "fago-condensed-extra-bold-italic" doesn't load while "fago-condensed-extra-bold-itali" does
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  486. # [14:20] <moo-_-> simenbrekken: nice
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  533. # [15:51] <obert-> do you got a decent working responsive html+css out there?
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  538. # [16:00] <moo-_-> obert-: you mean an example site?
  539. # [16:00] <moo-_-> obert-: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
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  544. # [16:09] <obert-> moo-_-: basically an already made template, i assume
  545. # [16:09] <obert-> bootstrap isnt that diagrams tool?
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  553. # [16:35] <noob_> hi all :)
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  585. # [17:04] <smokeyrat> Why come it's <script blabla></script><noscript>Sorry. Turn on scripting.</noscript> but <canvas blabla>Sorry. Turn on canvas/scripting/upgrade browser.</canvas> ?
  586. # [17:04] <smokeyrat> That seems oddly inconsistent.
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  601. # [17:29] <smokeyrat> Why come nobody in here is talking?
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  604. # [17:33] <snowfox> smokeyrat, it is inconsistent, but you can achieve similar functionality using feature sniffing with tools like Modernizr
  605. # [17:34] * nonge_ is now known as nonge
  606. # [17:35] <smokeyrat> snowfox: Sorry... "achieve similar functionality" to what?
  607. # [17:35] <smokeyrat> And since Wikipedia has no idea what "feature sniffing" is, I don't think it's a very common term.
  608. # [17:35] <smokeyrat> Even really obscure terms usually are defined or redirected there.
  609. # [17:36] <snowfox> You can notify the user that they are using a browser that does not support a feature you want to use
  610. # [17:36] <smokeyrat> Yeah. That's what this is for.
  611. # [17:36] <snowfox> Well, just think about those two words together and figure it out
  612. # [17:36] <snowfox> feature = canvas is s feature or function
  613. # [17:36] <snowfox> *is a, rather
  614. # [17:36] <snowfox> You have heard of device sniffing, right?
  615. # [17:37] <snowfox> how about this....
  616. # [17:37] <snowfox> how about this…."Feature detection"
  617. # [17:37] <smokeyrat> Not really. Unless you mean User-agent sniffing.
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  619. # [17:37] <snowfox> Same thing
  620. # [17:37] <smokeyrat> You'd nice scripting to "sniff" for anything, and if scripting is off...
  621. # [17:37] <smokeyrat> I don't see what this has to do with my original question.
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  623. # [17:37] <smokeyrat> *need
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  625. # [17:38] <snowfox> Are you familiar with modernizer?
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  627. # [17:38] <snowfox> as in: http://modernizr.com/
  628. # [17:39] <smokeyrat> No, but this is unrelated to my question.
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  630. # [17:39] <nonge> i think smokeyrat wonders why html uses different syntax for similar functionality
  631. # [17:39] <smokeyrat> I am wondering why the format is inconsistent.
  632. # [17:39] <smokeyrat> <nocanvas> would've been logical.
  633. # [17:40] <nonge> I think <noscript> is the exception. <object>, <video>, <audio>, <canvas> … they all use the same way
  634. # [17:40] <snowfox> Right, I agreed and gave you a suggestion for delivering a message to the user alerting them to upgrade their browser
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  636. # [17:40] <smokeyrat> snowfox: It's not a practical problem that needs a hack. It was a question about a design choice.
  637. # [17:40] <snowfox> Right, noscript is the outlier
  638. # [17:40] <nonge> but there is a semantic difference, I guess … <noscript> is not the fallback content of <script>.
  639. # [17:41] <smokeyrat> <canvas>There is no support for canvas in your browser.</canvas> is quite bizarre, really. It looks as if that's the CONTENTS of the canvas.
  640. # [17:41] <smokeyrat> But in a way it makes sense.
  641. # [17:41] <smokeyrat> Since you don't have anything inside of it anyway.
  642. # [17:41] <nonge> the content of <canvas> is the fallback content, which has to convey the same meaning of <canvas>. but <noscript> does not have to deliver the same content as <script>
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  645. # [17:42] <smokeyrat> Well... how is a fallback ever going to convey the same information as a canvas? ;)
  646. # [17:42] <smokeyrat> Fancy drawings and animations and interactivity versus a static paragraph.
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  648. # [17:42] <snowfox> Why does it have to be a static paragraph?
  649. # [17:42] <nonge> yay, it's similar to the alt problem … complex graphic vs. text
  650. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> What else would it be, snowfox?
  651. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> Maybe an image the same size as the canvas?
  652. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> And if they also have images blocked...
  653. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> Hehehehe.
  654. # [17:45] <nonge> you could give an img, svg, even a video/audio explaining the original canvas content …
  655. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> <canvas><img src="" alt="Image showing that there is no canvas support"></canvas>
  656. # [17:45] <snowfox> or, some other JS function
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  658. # [17:45] <snowfox> and, if they have images blocked, why do you even care?
  659. # [17:45] <smokeyrat> I used to care much more about things like that.
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  661. # [17:46] <snowfox> Right, but in your example you are building for someone that has JS disabled, using a browser that doesn't support Canvas (or a canvas polyfil), and has images turned off
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  666. # [17:57] <smokeyrat> snowfox: :)
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  668. # [17:57] <snowfox_away> heading out for a bit
  669. # [17:57] <snowfox_away> good luck smokeyrat!
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  671. # [17:57] <smokeyrat> Thanks...
  672. # [17:57] <smokeyrat> Same.
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  679. # [18:13] <SrPx> Is there a tag I can surround some text without affecting anything? (Just so I can add some onclick behavior)
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  684. # [18:16] <boogyman> SrPx: <span>
  685. # [18:17] <SrPx> boogyman: thanks
  686. # [18:18] <Orbitrix> in honor of pride day, i'm hearby christening the <homosexual> tag
  687. # [18:18] <Orbitrix> use it wisely
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  700. # [18:37] <SrPx> What is the default font and what font would you guys suggest I override body with? (:
  701. # [18:37] <SrPx> http://i.imgur.com/d1PJa.png this is the current font it is kind of ugly
  702. # [18:37] <obert-> every browsers got their own default value
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  706. # [18:40] <obert-> SrPx: http://24ways.org/2006/compose-to-a-vertical-rhythm
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  712. # [18:50] <SrPx> obert-: but it's about vertical spacing not fonts
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  721. # [19:06] <percent20> is there a good resource to see all the javascript functions and objects available as part of html5?
  722. # [19:07] <obert-> SrPx: it is about whole typography
  723. # [19:07] <obert-> typography is vertical and horizontal, font weight and such
  724. # [19:08] <SrPx> percent20: not sure but I guess the guys on #javascript could answer that too
  725. # [19:08] <percent20> SrPx, thanks.
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  727. # [19:10] <SrPx> percent20: no, really. Well, there's this site but you probably know it already: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/
  728. # [19:11] <SrPx> percent20: it lists all JavaScript, then HTML, then DOM objects, with their attrs inside
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  730. # [19:11] <obert-> dont point people to w3schools
  731. # [19:11] <SrPx> obert-: why?
  732. # [19:11] <obert-> that's bad info site
  733. # [19:12] <SrPx> Hmm I agree
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  735. # [19:12] <SrPx> its the only list I know though, just trying to help
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  737. # [19:15] <obert-> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/ :)
  738. # [19:16] <SrPx> obert-: it does not list dom elements does it
  739. # [19:18] <obert-> SrPx: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference#Global_Objects
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  741. # [19:19] <SrPx> obert-: those are JS objects
  742. # [19:20] <obert-> anyway :p
  743. # [19:20] <obert-> that's the main js resource out there
  744. # [19:21] <obert-> and http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/programming-the-real-basics/
  745. # [19:21] <percent20> SrPx, I wasn't being sarcastic I didn't consider joining #javascript since I am messing with canvas was html5 was stuck in my head.
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  747. # [19:24] <SrPx> I'd not recommend that tutorial : S
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  750. # [19:24] <SrPx> percent20: did you find your answer
  751. # [19:25] <percent20> SrPx, not yet got side tracked, had a random thought of "maybe this will work" so was trying that. didn't work.
  752. # [19:28] <SrPx> what are you trying to do, maybe I can help
  753. # [19:29] <percent20> trying to rotate an image on a canvas without it rotating the other image. On the canvas
  754. # [19:30] <percent20> I have it the context save state rotate then draw the new image and restore the old state, but doesn't seem to be working.
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  760. # [19:40] <SrPx> percent20: oh can't help sorry... I always have that kind of problem with canvas
  761. # [19:40] <percent20> gotcha. I see it work for other people, but they have much more code than i do so i don't know what they are doing that I am not.
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  829. # [21:57] <mparodi> Hello!
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  831. # [21:57] <mparodi> I'm converting a video to webm using ffmpeg but you can't play it until it's completely downloaded. does anyone how can I fix that?
  832. # [21:57] <mparodi> I use qt-faststart for mp4 videos but it doesn't work for webm ones
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  834. # [21:58] <moo-_-> mparodi: consult your video encoding community
  835. # [21:58] <moo-_-> we cannot help with ffmpeg
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  837. # [21:59] <mparodi> I didn't say it has to be with ffmpeg
  838. # [21:59] <mparodi> in fact, I believe ffmpeg can't fix that
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  840. # [22:00] <moo-_-> mparodi: in any case it is a question of video processing and you are very lucky if you find answer here
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