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  93. # [02:53] <Nautilus> i have an audio stream (AAC I think) which I launch via text files for WMP (.asx file) and WinAmp/iTunes (.pls file), but neither plays on a Win7 phone. Can HTML5 help? easily? Its a live Shoutcast stream not a 'fixed' file.
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  184. # [06:51] <circlicious> so sessionStorage and localStorage are 2 separate things, none of which are deprecated ? any tutorials on both?
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  191. # [07:00] <circlicious> wow heh ,read remy's article on html5doctor, great. soooo easy :D
  192. # [07:01] <Shesmu> hry
  193. # [07:01] <circlicious> does the storage event also get called when you delete an item?
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  218. # [07:55] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/N46uX.jpg
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  304. # [10:32] <circlicious> unfortunately i guess i can't use jquery to make XHR requests in web workers, right ?
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  314. # [10:41] <moo-_-> circlicious: the problem is not jQuery dependend
  315. # [10:41] <moo-_-> circlicious: Web Workers cannot do any sort of DOM manipulation or DOM read
  316. # [10:41] <moo-_-> only postMessge()
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  320. # [10:53] <circlicious> moo-_-: i want to send ajax request with jquery only, no dom manipulation
  321. # [10:53] <circlicious> i guess in order to do that i have to require the jquery ajax part into my code, or write using the raw JS api. i just did the latter
  322. # [10:54] <moo-_-> circlicious: AJAX request is counted as DOM monipulation
  323. # [10:54] <moo-_-> circlicious: all communications must go thru main thread
  324. # [10:54] <moo-_-> I believe
  325. # [10:55] <circlicious> i used the raw js api for xhr in my worker, works fine :)
  326. # [10:55] <moo-_-> nice
  327. # [10:55] <circlicious> debugging must be hard ? i used onReadyChangeState instead of onreadychangestate, no error was thrown,and i was wondering why things arn't working
  328. # [10:55] <moo-_-> good
  329. # [10:55] <circlicious> err... onreadystatechange i mean
  330. # [10:56] <moo-_-> circlicious: well I guess console.log() does not work either
  331. # [10:56] <circlicious> thats true
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  333. # [10:57] <circlicious> so debugging must be hard, heh
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  352. # [11:40] <moo-_-> circlicious: guaranteed W3C / WHATWG quality
  353. # [11:41] <moo-_-> let's create this marvellous system - which is impossible to debug
  354. # [11:41] <moo-_-> developers love it
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  479. # [14:20] <jeffsmykil> I was wondering if someone could tell me what I was doing wrong with this simple canvas experiment? http://jsfiddle.net/5mNeV/
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  491. # [14:34] <Dasleah> not enough cowbell
  492. # [14:34] <jeffsmykil> I figured as much
  493. # [14:34] <jeffsmykil> just wasn't sure where to put it
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  496. # [14:34] <jeffsmykil> if I change the rotate to .5 i seem to get an action
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  519. # [15:30] <jeffsmykil> Way to tell how rotate an element is in canvas?
  520. # [15:30] <jeffsmykil> is there like a rotate.val or something
  521. # [15:35] <_shorinji_> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rotate%20an%20item%20in%20html%20canvas
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  588. # [17:01] <freeuser> hey guys trying out SASS here
  589. # [17:01] <freeuser> got a quick one
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  592. # [17:02] <freeuser> how do I debug with SASS using firebug or chrome inspector?
  593. # [17:02] <freeuser> like for example if in firebug it says line 10
  594. # [17:02] <freeuser> what would line would it be in a SCSS file?
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  834. # [21:56] <Mr_Tib029> Hello, Could anyone point me in the right direction please?
  835. # [21:57] <moo-_-> Mr_Tib029: turn left after the main railway station
  836. # [21:57] <Mr_Tib029> Lol
  837. # [21:57] <Mr_Tib029> my bad, i want to know if it's posible to create something like google hangout using html5
  838. # [21:58] <moo-_-> Mr_Tib029: webrtc.org is what you are looking for
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  840. # [22:00] <Mr_Tib029> that looks interesting, thanks
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  842. # [22:06] <sunbeam> If I had to make a questionnaire, with 20 questions, that should output stats about the answers, would it be good to develop this app utilizing HTML5 features ? (this app specially will be used on Tables/Smartphones)
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  844. # [22:07] <sunbeam> and would it be best to have seperate CSS for Tablet and Phone?
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  848. # [22:13] <mparodi> Hello
  849. # [22:13] <mparodi> is the <content> tag standard? somehow it's not in this list: http://html5doctor.com/element-index/#c
  850. # [22:14] <tomlane> sunbeam, yes to html5 features, no to separate CSS, you can use a responsive layout that will adapt to phone or tablet
  851. # [22:15] <chee> mparodi: i have never heard of a <content> element
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  853. # [22:15] <sunbeam> tomlane: thanks
  854. # [22:15] <mparodi> hmn, I'm starting to think it was <side> and not <content> :P
  855. # [22:15] <mparodi> never mind
  856. # [22:15] <sunbeam> tomlane: anything i can best look for (tutorial) or an example ?
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  859. # [22:16] <mparodi> s/side/section/
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  862. # [22:21] <tomlane> sunbeam, the core tech is media queries: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Media_queries/ twitter's bootstrap does it well: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ (try resizing the browser window)
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  875. # [22:44] <Mr_Tib029> Is it possible to create something like google hangout?
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  877. # [22:47] <tomlane> must be a common question,
  878. # [22:47] <tomlane> Mr_Tib029, http://www.webrtc.org
  879. # [22:47] <eighty4> tomlane: oh, does that support cammera?
  880. # [22:48] <skylamer`> yes, Mr_Tib029, of course its easy as 1+3.5 :)
  881. # [22:48] <skylamer`> eighty4 gamepads als o
  882. # [22:48] <eighty4> skylamer`: ?
  883. # [22:48] <tomlane> eighty4, it does, but it is still on it's way to browsers, i believe webkit getusermedia is the best at the moment
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  885. # [22:49] <eighty4> tomlane: very cool. "The WebRTC project builds on the VP8 codec"
  886. # [22:49] <tomlane> eighty4, http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/getusermedia/intro/
  887. # [22:50] <Mr_Tib029> webrtc.org seems interesting but you have to enable some flags in the browser for it to work
  888. # [22:50] <Mr_Tib029> is there something that's transpartent for the user?
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  890. # [22:51] <eighty4> Mr_Tib029: It would be a lot of work however you do it
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  893. # [22:51] <Mr_Tib029> yeah i know it's not easy at all
  894. # [22:52] <Mr_Tib029> i thought about using flash, but it's dying so...
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  896. # [22:53] <eighty4> http://caniuse.com/stream :)
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  899. # [22:54] <Mr_Tib029> Thanks for the list
  900. # [22:55] <Mr_Tib029> so if the browser is supported you wouldn't need to manually activate the flag?
  901. # [22:55] <moo-_-> Mr_Tib029: the support is coming
  902. # [22:55] <moo-_-> of course
  903. # [22:55] <moo-_-> you cannot expect Microsoft ever support anything
  904. # [22:56] <moo-_-> but Opera, Firefox, Chrome will be good to go in the future
  905. # [22:56] <tomlane> moo-_-, you never know
  906. # [22:56] <moo-_-> tomlane: h
  907. # [22:56] <moo-_-> they have kind of track record of pissing off web developers
  908. # [22:56] <moo-_-> so
  909. # [22:56] <moo-_-> unless they prove themselves otherwise
  910. # [22:56] <moo-_-> web developers don't believe in MS
  911. # [22:57] <Mr_Tib029> so, what's the best and most stable option today?
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  913. # [22:57] <Mr_Tib029> flash?
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  915. # [22:57] <moo-_-> Mr_Tib029: flash
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  918. # [22:58] <Mr_Tib029> flash it is then, thanks
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  926. # [23:09] <WebDragon> moo-_-: s/off/on/
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  940. # [23:19] <moo-_-> WebDragon: touche
  941. # [23:19] <WebDragon> :)
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  943. # [23:19] * WebDragon has been giving serious thought to setting up virtualbox on his fedora install to get https://github.com/xdissent/ievms/ working
  944. # [23:20] <WebDragon> every other solution I've seen so far is less than accurate, or crashprone
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  947. # [23:20] <WebDragon> and it's seriously painful developing a site in Opera.Chrome.FF only to find out how miserably it fails in IE9 let alone earlier ones
  948. # [23:21] <WebDragon> and still, after IE9 has come so damn far... it's disheartening
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  957. # [23:28] <moo-_-> it'
  958. # [23:28] <moo-_-> it's sad
  959. # [23:28] <moo-_-> Chrome Frame FTW :)
  960. # [23:29] <edwardbc> Chrome Frame should be some kind of virus that quietly self installs everywhere
  961. # [23:29] <edwardbc> would be my personal hero.
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  963. # [23:30] <moo-_-> yes
  964. # [23:30] <moo-_-> maybe they would make good use of those bot nets
  965. # [23:30] <moo-_-> and make it install Chrome Frame on everyone
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  971. # [23:37] <WebDragon> my boss is oddly resistant to chrome-frame
  972. # [23:37] <tomlane> that's what the boss is for
  973. # [23:37] <WebDragon> and my efforts to set up the sites to automatically offer it for older browsers, on the few new sites we've needed it for, have fallen on deaf ears
  974. # [23:38] <tomlane> I.T is scared of pings at college ¬_¬ let alone getting something like firefox in
  975. # [23:38] <WebDragon> frustrating. I just want to solve problems and move on
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  977. # [23:38] <WebDragon> heh I got a buddy here in DE that's one of the lead guys at U of D's NOC
  978. # [23:39] <WebDragon> extremely savvy and laid back fellow
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  983. # [23:42] <tomlane> lucky for some, I.T have never been nice to me in the places i have been studying "the proxy only works through ie6"
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  990. # [23:49] * Joins: beeviz (~beevi2@p57BD6C2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
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  992. # [23:54] <sunbeam> tomlane: here?
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  994. # [23:58] <tomlane> sunbeam, hello!
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  996. # Session Close: Tue Jul 03 00:00:01 2012

The end :)