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  14. # [00:26] <Shesmu> nein
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  113. # [03:48] <MitchC21> Hey
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  115. # [03:49] <SrPx> Can I set an <a> tag, or something similar, that will open a "save as" prompt on the browser with a determined text? ex: <a href="text: this is a text that will be saved on user pc">Click to save fun text!</a>
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  124. # [04:18] <grantg> Is ricky here?
  125. # [04:18] <grantg> you emailed me http://pastebin.com/zi3N3mzF
  126. # [04:18] <grantg> Already sent a response.
  127. # [04:18] <grantg> Working on a big game requires me to disclose the entire api and why it was done said way
  128. # [04:18] <grantg> and til http://lukehorvat.cloud-ide.com/IDE/rest/ide/vfs/dev-monit/contentbypath/AudioApp/xaudio_test.html actually works in IE8
  129. # [04:18] <grantg> Lowest IE targeted is IE9.... lol
  130. # [04:19] <grantg> I guess IE8 has an audio API now. :P
  131. # [04:19] <grantg> mix it with vrml and you've basically got html5 for IE8
  132. # [04:20] <grantg> all shimmed out
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  141. # [04:37] <grantg> ugh
  142. # [04:37] <grantg> so many emails asking for debugging xaudiojs with web apps though
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  144. # [04:47] <grantg> http://cdn.grantgalitz.org/jimmies.jpg
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  159. # [05:13] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/w1j5p/can_somebody_on_ios6_beta_tell_me_how_well_this/
  160. # [05:13] <grantg> this is gonna be fun
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  162. # [05:14] <grantg> someone recorded it on ios 6 oooh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E-Kvby79_qs#t=38s
  163. # [05:14] <grantg> lol shitty iOS speed
  164. # [05:15] <grantg> looks like the speed of IE8
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  169. # [05:38] <Shesmu> lol nice 15 frames
  170. # [05:38] <Shesmu> grantg: u make apps?
  171. # [05:39] <SrPx> How can I change the <input type="file"> to a normal button instead of that monstruosity?
  172. # [05:39] <grantg> hmm?
  173. # [05:45] <jgdovin2> i need 20 or 24 objects depending on user selection.. I will figure out user selection part later, but i need to figure out how to make 20 objects rotate around the same orbit
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  257. # [08:52] <asher^> hi all, are there any web technologies that allow sql type storage on the client side now that websql has been dropped?
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  273. # [09:18] <christoffer> Hi, I'm about to do my first HTML5/css3 layout and it was a few years ago I worked with xhtml/css...with current open-source browsers do I still use container divs if I want to center my entire page?
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  284. # [09:28] <asher^> christoffer, you can use margin: auto on the body tag too i believe
  285. # [09:28] <christoffer> asher^, thanks, I will try that
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  330. # [10:56] <ruxpin> christoffer: take a look at http://yeoman.io
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  332. # [10:57] <ruxpin> that does not answer your question but may be helpful otherwise
  333. # [10:58] <ruxpin> also, try text-align: center; and margin: 0 auto; styles
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  336. # [10:58] <christoffer> ruxpin, thanks... I will look into that. asher^ also pointed me to HTML5 Boilerplate...seems like a good start
  337. # [10:58] <ruxpin> html5bp is good as well
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  376. # [12:33] <tocka> morning
  377. # [12:34] <tocka> wanted to ask does anyone know a good html5 video plugin?
  378. # [12:34] <tocka> there is just so many of them
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  529. # [16:25] <dahlfors> SrPx: the only way to do anything crossbrowser for the input file styling, is to use an image instead
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  533. # [16:26] <dahlfors> SrPx: I used this as a base and modified it further to my uses: http://www.appelsiini.net/2007/10/style-file-inputs-with-jquery
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  535. # [16:27] <dahlfors> SrPx: demo there, http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/filestyle/demo.html
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  541. # [16:31] <christoffer> Is it possible to create a linebreak with just CSS? ...e.g. in each element I have a sentence. After the first word in each sentence I want a linebreak
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  566. # [16:57] <xec> christoffer: not that i know of, you would need to wrap it in an element to give your css something to select first
  567. # [16:58] <christoffer> xec, yea I figured it would be that way...I've put <strong> around the first word now so I can use display:block to force a "new line"
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  570. # [17:00] <xec> i thought maybe you could do it with the first *letter*, but that doesn't seem to work either ^^ http://tinkerbin.com/vbymTq6P
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  575. # [17:02] <asher^> christoffer, using <span class="..."> would be the preferred method i think, using <strong> is not a good idea for a few reasons. alternately, you could do it in javascript or in your preprocessing if the content is loaded from the server
  576. # [17:03] <christoffer> asher^, aha, yea that might be the case.
  577. # [17:04] <asher^> can i pm you?
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  596. # [17:28] <jarek> Hi
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  598. # [17:28] <jarek> do you know of any competitions for app developers besides http://www.google.com/events/gadc2012/ ?
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  600. # [17:29] <philihp> jarek, when i was in school i competed in an ACM programming competition... hold up
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  603. # [17:29] <philihp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_International_Collegiate_Programming_Contest
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  605. # [17:31] <jarek> "During contest, the teams are given 5 hours to solve between 8 and 12 programming problems (with 8 typical for regionals and 10 for finals). They must submit solutions as programs in C, C++, or Java. "
  606. # [17:31] <philihp> yeah, it's a lot more... academic
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  608. # [17:31] <jarek> I mean something for frontend developers
  609. # [17:31] <jarek> Microsoft should organize Metro App challange
  610. # [17:31] <philihp> problems like "you are given the coordinates of rectangles on a grid. position 5 cell towers, assuming constant circular reception radius, such that they maximize coverage of the rectangles."
  611. # [17:32] <jarek> https://mozillaignite.org/
  612. # [17:33] <jarek> "$15,000 in prizes" :/
  613. # [17:33] <philihp> hmm, is your goal to make money or get recognition?
  614. # [17:33] <jarek> philihp: both
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  696. # [18:59] <haizum> i have no idea why, but my <br /> tags aren't working in firefox for some reason. works fine in chrome. ???
  697. # [19:00] <haizum> i should mention that they're inside a <p> but that shouldn't matter...
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  699. # [19:01] <haizum> also works fine in IE
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  732. # [19:36] <hober> haizum: when you say "aren't working," what do you mean?
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  734. # [19:36] <haizum> i mean there are no line breaks
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  736. # [19:37] <haizum> i fixed the problem by placing each paragraph inside a <span style="margin-bottom: 20px"> tag, but this seems unnecessary
  737. # [19:37] <haizum> works in chrome and ie, but not firefox
  738. # [19:37] <haizum> one of the most basic html functions
  739. # [19:37] <haizum> <br>
  740. # [19:37] <haizum> should work without any issues.
  741. # [19:37] <haizum> i'd like to think
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  745. # [19:46] <grantg> paul_irish: Just landed another optimization into js gbc
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  747. # [19:47] <grantg> Now google chrome can run js gbc in less cpu usage for sure than what it takes other desktop gbc emulators cpu wise
  748. # [19:47] <grantg> Getting more around ~15% cpu usage
  749. # [19:47] <grantg> versus 30% from before
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  751. # [19:48] <semmel> Hi. Is anyone willing to advise me on a font-face issue I'm having?
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  753. # [19:50] <semmel> Our designer gave me some fonts to implement, and one of them is a bold font. So I'm trying to figure out how to be backward compatible - if font-face is not supported by a browser (and only then), how can I have font-weight: bold and otherwise font-weight: normal? It does not seem to work inside the font-face definition on FF...
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  756. # [19:53] <ryan_tait> @semmel: search font-face on http://html5please.com/
  757. # [19:54] <ryan_tait> @semmel.. most browsers support it even ie. 5.5 or http://caniuse.com/fontface
  758. # [19:55] <rmill> caniuse fontface
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  760. # [19:55] <caniuse> rmill: You can use @font-face Web fonts with Internet Explorer 9, Firefox 3.5, Chrome 4, Safari 3.2, Opera 10.0-10.1, iOS Safari 4.2-4.3, and Opera Mobile 10. http://caniuse.com/#search=fontface
  761. # [19:55] <semmel> Sorry, can't remember how to send a PM - been a while since my last IRC chat - can you refresh my memory?
  762. # [19:55] <rmill> ^^ ryan_tait semmel
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  765. # [19:58] <semmel> Let me give you my example because I don't think I made my question clear: I use font-face to add a font in various formats, e.g. "MyFontBold", so my definition goes: .header { font-family: "MyFontBold", Arial, "sans-serif"; font-weight: bold; } The problem is that the font-weight: bold should ONLY show up if the browser does NOT support to import fonts since the font itself is bold... Or...
  766. # [19:58] <semmel> ...are you saying I shouldn't worry about backwards compatibility in this case?
  767. # [20:00] <rmill> semmel: if it's a make or break type thing, you'll need to do feature detection
  768. # [20:01] <rmill> and fallbacks
  769. # [20:01] <ryan_tait> @semmel.. well if you use a service like font squirrel like html5please recommends then your covering a pretty wide array of browsers. How far back you need?? You should be covered for 80% ish of the browsers...
  770. # [20:01] <ryan_tait> 90.15% as caniuse says including partial
  771. # [20:01] <ryan_tait> which is covered if you generate using font squirrel
  772. # [20:02] <ryan_tait> you coul duse modernizr to detect font-face and then handle it differently
  773. # [20:02] <semmel> You know what, I think I'm just gonna declare right here and now that that is good enough for me :-) I'll check font squirrel to see if there's any differences to the code I already have, and I'm not even gonna bother declaring fall-back fonts - so there :-) Thanks for the advice!
  774. # [20:02] <ryan_tait> no probs
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  776. # [20:05] <semmel> Thanks again, cya
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  831. # [21:01] <ajf> hey, is there a way to use nearest-neighbour image scaling with canvas?
  832. # [21:01] <fold> How do I get a div with a background on top of an image that's right above it? I guess best way is make the image a background-image?
  833. # [21:01] <fold> http://jsfiddle.net/482K8/
  834. # [21:02] <ajf> other than manually scaling it
  835. # [21:02] <ajf> :/
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  839. # [21:04] <ajf> any idea?
  840. # [21:04] <ajf> :/
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  846. # [21:09] <ajf> apparently only solution is manual
  847. # [21:09] <ajf> *sigh*
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  849. # [21:11] <WeThePeople> would this be a good place to talk about http get and post header requests?
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  851. # [21:13] <Jon47> maybe not the best place but i'm sure there are people here who know about that sort of thing
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  929. # [23:22] <Hornet> for the average website, does html5 actually offer anything genuinely useful that x/html doesn't?
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  933. # [23:31] <moo-_-> Hornet: is your average website a corporate business card site with 5 static pages?
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  935. # [23:35] <cgcardona> Hornet: average website?
  936. # [23:35] <cgcardona> what's that?
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  938. # [23:38] * tw2113 points out cgcardona isn't average
  939. # [23:38] <tw2113> he's a unicorn
  940. # [23:38] <cgcardona> o O )>
  941. # [23:38] <cgcardona> horrible unicorn ^
  942. # [23:39] <tw2113> we can forgive you
  943. # [23:39] <cgcardona> thank you.
  944. # [23:39] <tw2113> just don't let it happen again
  945. # [23:39] <cgcardona> i'll try
  946. # [23:40] <Velmont> Hornet: html5 outline. You can do <h1>blabla</h1> <section><h1>blabla</h1> <p>blabla</section>. So you can easily embed stuff into other stuff.
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  951. # [23:45] <rking> Is <article> the semantically correct thing to mean "main stuff" in between <header> and <footer>?
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  953. # [23:47] <Velmont> rking: Nope. It's not a content element.
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  958. # [23:49] <rking> Aha, hrm.
  959. # [23:49] <rking> Velmont: What then?
  960. # [23:50] <rking> Big ol' honkin' <p>? So-bland-I-think-my-tastebuds-are-numb <div>?
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  962. # [23:51] <Velmont> rking: Def not <p>! That's for paragraphs. A <div> is what you'd do if nothing else matches.
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  964. # [23:51] <Velmont> rking: However, <article> will work on many typical pages.
  965. # [23:51] <rking> That seems like such a punt.
  966. # [23:51] <rking> (<div>)
  967. # [23:51] <rking> Wait, so when is <article> unright and right?
  968. # [23:51] <Velmont> Like blogs.
  969. # [23:52] <rking> Or more generally, what's a good resource where I can find out the answers to these questions without pestering an IRC channel?
  970. # [23:52] <rking> Hrm.
  971. # [23:53] <Velmont> > The article element represents a self-contained composition in a document, page, application, or site and that is intended to be independently distributable or reusable, e.g. in syndication. This could be a forum post, a magazine or newspaper article, a blog entry, a user-submitted comment, an interactive widget or gadget, or any other independent item of content.
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  973. # [23:53] <Velmont> rking: The HTML spec.
  974. # [23:53] <rking> Ahh, that's a good description indeed.
  975. # [23:54] <rking> So the very common case of a regular old page, does it not have something meaning 'body'?
  976. # [23:54] <rking> <body>'s taken for obvious (and probably legacy) reasons.
  977. # [23:54] <Velmont> Or even the developer version of the spec -> http://developers.whatwg.org/ (never read it though, I read the other one)
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  979. # [23:54] <tomlane> rking: here's a prettier spec: http://developers.whatwg.org/
  980. # [23:55] <rking> Cool, thanks fellas. =)
  981. # [23:56] <tomlane> rking: section 4 looks like the stuff you need :)
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