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  95. # [02:09] <phonebook_> is this the place to complain about html5?
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  97. # [02:12] <phonebook_> my only complain so far is with web sql and indexed db
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  99. # [02:13] <phonebook_> in short, they either do not work or are too complicated while being no faster than a b-tree localstorage db
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  264. # [07:04] <circlicious> ok, where are people going>
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  273. # [07:06] <circlicious> tw2113: do you understand requestAnimationFrame?
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  275. # [07:06] <tw2113> nope
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  279. # [07:10] <circlicious> ok
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  482. # [13:53] <Velmont> phonebook_: websql works, but not cross-browser. I've used it in a kiosk project, using Opera kiosk mode.
  483. # [13:53] <Velmont> phonebook_: IndexedDB will allow for indexes, localStorage doesn't have that.
  484. # [13:53] <Velmont> phonebook_: Also, cursors and in general a tooling that easier allows for bigger projects.
  485. # [13:55] <Velmont> Complicated, oh yes it is, but that's more or less frozen now.
  486. # [13:55] <Velmont> But should be easy enough to build your own small framework around it. Probably that's what you want to do anyway. Abstract the storage part away, so that you can exchange it.
  487. # [13:56] <Velmont> In fact I did that with my WebSQL-project, -- so I can port it to IndexedDB if I want.
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  489. # [13:58] <phonebook_> about those two
  490. # [13:58] <phonebook_> ive wrote an api which abstracts them both
  491. # [13:59] <phonebook_> + a localStorage b-tree
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  493. # [13:59] <phonebook_> and in my opinion they are retardedly and unecessarily complicated + the silent crashes are inexcusable
  494. # [13:59] <phonebook_> and they are no faster than the localStorage b-tree
  495. # [14:00] <Velmont> phonebook_: If localStorage is good enough, you should use that. -- But it does fall apart when you want to more advanced things.
  496. # [14:00] <phonebook_> bullshit
  497. # [14:00] <phonebook_> i wrote an entire relational database with it and we populate it with thousands of records
  498. # [14:01] <phonebook_> it does just as good as flat indexeddb which suffers the same infliction as localStorage
  499. # [14:01] <phonebook_> *sry for the bullshit, dont get me wrong
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  501. # [14:02] <Velmont> At least Opera's localStorage implementation is not very efficient.
  502. # [14:02] <phonebook_> + you need to use localStorage if you want to support ie9
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  504. # [14:03] <Velmont> But there's very easy wins to be had there.
  505. # [14:03] <phonebook_> i just dont understand why they made indexed db so complicated
  506. # [14:03] <Velmont> It's good enough for most real uses I've seen though, so it's not a prioritization to fix it.
  507. # [14:04] <Velmont> phonebook_: Yeah, I can't answer for that. I think it's complicated too.
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  509. # [14:04] <phonebook_> its 5 lines of code in indexedb for 1 line in localStorage, which as i have said is just as fast
  510. # [14:04] <Velmont> phonebook_: Do you have a benchmark and the code for that?
  511. # [14:04] <phonebook_> and localStorage never silently crashes and its universally supported in exactly the same way
  512. # [14:04] <phonebook_> as a matter of fact i do
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  514. # [14:05] <Velmont> I'd really like to use it to test our implementation.
  515. # [14:05] <phonebook_> across all browsers mobile and desktop
  516. # [14:05] <phonebook_> its at work
  517. # [14:05] <Velmont> Yeah, don't need it now. I'm not at work eihter.
  518. # [14:05] <phonebook_> but to write 1000 records youre looking at less than a second
  519. # [14:05] <phonebook_> for all implementations
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  521. # [14:06] <Velmont> The biggest problem for e.g. Mozilla is that it's sync.
  522. # [14:06] <phonebook_> safari (web sql) was unusually slow in one of the tests... actually it might have been read
  523. # [14:06] <Velmont> So if you have a bigass object, (several MB), it hangs the browser.
  524. # [14:06] <Velmont> Or, at least the JS thread you're in.
  525. # [14:06] <phonebook_> yep
  526. # [14:06] <phonebook_> that is a probelm
  527. # [14:06] <phonebook_> thats true, i concede there
  528. # [14:07] <phonebook_> one options is on each write to do a settimeout 0... but i think if you have a lot of records that could make it significantly slower
  529. # [14:07] <Velmont> Opera is architectured in a different way, so we don't have the same UI hang problem, but the site will hang if it needs to do its own js stuff on the side.
  530. # [14:08] <Velmont> phonebook_: People want to store images etc. So just one single record might be huge.
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  532. # [14:09] <phonebook_> images..
  533. # [14:09] <phonebook_> why?
  534. # [14:10] <phonebook_> and youre saying a huge record would be a big sync hangup
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  537. # [14:15] <phonebook_> well, the localStorage solution could be to store the image as a string and write it to several records doing a timeout between each read to free up the ui. All I'm saying is it's possible
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  738. # [18:59] <nihahs> Hello guys.
  739. # [18:59] <nihahs> I've got a doubt
  740. # [18:59] <nihahs> Been googling it for quite sometime now but I've not been able to find a solution
  741. # [19:00] <nihahs> Just want to know if it's possible to use getUserMedia to record audio using mic?
  742. # [19:01] <phonebook_> wow the world really is changing
  743. # [19:01] <phonebook_> low level to do all the work and in 2040 all school children will know javascript
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  746. # [19:03] <nihahs> err :/
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  750. # [19:07] <phonebook_> this diagram says you cant use it http://caniuse.com/stream
  751. # [19:07] <phonebook_> atm
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  758. # [19:15] <nihahs> Thanks but actually I'm using Chrome Canary build. I'm able to access the webcam.
  759. # [19:15] <nihahs> When I try to do the same with audio, it doesn't work
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  850. # [22:38] <bolosaur> Can someone explain to me what the HTML5 boilerplate is?
  851. # [22:38] <bolosaur> I don't understand at all
  852. # [22:38] <bolosaur> even after reading the docs
  853. # [22:38] <bolosaur> what the heck is its function?
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  860. # [22:50] <tw2113> starting point
  861. # [22:50] <tw2113> it gives you a base structure, you built up from it
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  863. # [22:50] <tw2113> eventually you get a whole working site
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