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# Session Start: Thu Jul 12 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:15] <Grafica> Hi. How do you display a logo on the left side of the address bar of a Website for iOS devices?
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# [00:16] <moo-_-> Grafica: it's called favicon or apple-touch-icon
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# [00:17] <Grafica> I did that, but it doesn't show on an iPad.
# [00:17] <Grafica> http://www.evamagnus.com/OurServices.php
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# [00:18] <moo-_-> Grafica: I suggest you open a stackoverflow.com question with details what you have done and what you indent to do and where it fails
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# [00:18] <moo-_-> Grafica: it is better media for this kind of support
# [00:18] <cgcardona> i don't think the icon shows up on address bar. does it?do you mean when they save it to their homescreen?
# [00:19] <Grafica> moo-_-: OK
# [00:20] <cgcardona> if you want the app icon that gets saved to the home screen you want this http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/touch-icons
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# [00:20] <cgcardona> on a desktop browser you want a favicon
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# [00:32] <samzhao_> can I ask a question regarding html entity?
# [00:32] <samzhao_> how does bitly encode the heart? like this
# [00:32] <samzhao_> bitly | ♥ your bitmarks
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# [00:40] <fx> Hi. I'm wondering if there is a websocket server for node.js that supports Safari's current protocol
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# [03:13] <ordinaryman09_> hello, anybody have used google places api?
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# [03:47] <ordinaryman09_> anybody have opinion factual vs city grid?
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# [07:49] <voldial> I am doing a form POST on a contenteditable div via .innerHTML, and it works. but every new line I enter into the contenteditable div gets POST-ed wrapped in it's own <div>some line</div>. I assume this is normal, and that I am not understanding something, but can I turn this off?
# [07:50] <asher^> that sounds odd to me
# [07:50] <asher^> do you have a jsfiddle for it?
# [07:51] <voldial> it's this same issue here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6023307/dealing-with-line-breaks-on-contenteditable-div
# [07:51] <voldial> I am rendering the text with python-markdown so I dont want the <div's>
# [07:53] <asher^> what happens if you change the div to a pre?
# [07:54] <asher^> or put a pre inside the div
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# [07:54] <voldial> checking
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# [07:56] <voldial> asher^, nesting a pre inside the div makes the posted lines wrapped in <pre>line</pre>
# [07:56] <voldial> I'll pastebin my code
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# [08:00] <asher^> i see the issue
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# [08:02] <voldial> http://fpaste.org/yUeJ/raw/
# [08:02] <asher^> using jquery's .text() i get it markup free, but it doesn't seem to include the return characters
# [08:04] <voldial> I am not using jquery there, but i would be happy to try it...
# [08:04] <asher^> its still not a full solution
# [08:04] <asher^> http://jsfiddle.net/Dr54X/
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# [08:07] <asher^> seems like youll have to do some processing on the client side unfortunately
# [08:07] <voldial> I get no result with that link
# [08:07] <voldial> that's ok
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# [08:07] <asher^> do you have the console open?
# [08:08] <keyvan> Hi guys, how come HTML5's video tag doesn't support more formats?
# [08:08] <asher^> keyvan which ones do you think it should support?
# [08:08] <keyvan> I havent read any docs, please feel free to refer me to rtfms...
# [08:08] <voldial> the only reason I am using a contenteditable div is so the "textbox" automatically re-sizes
# [08:08] <keyvan> asher^: mov
# [08:08] <keyvan> is there source code to toy with?
# [08:08] <keyvan> to connect to quicktime plugin or something
# [08:08] <keyvan> :/
# [08:08] <asher^> keyvan it costs money to license codecs for many formats, including mov
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# [08:09] <asher^> they want to use open source ones as much as possible
# [08:09] <keyvan> i wrote a javascript wrapper but i am struggling to make it testable by BDD practices
# [08:09] <keyvan> asher^: ah
# [08:09] <keyvan> well
# [08:09] <voldial> asher^, yes, I do... using arora web browser with web inspecter.... no console activity when I press run
# [08:09] <asher^> voldial youll have to type some text in then click the button
# [08:09] <asher^> if you preload the text then it doesnt have the issue, only when a user enters it
# [08:09] <voldial> oh
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# [08:10] <keyvan> asher^: so we pay money to make them support it? i dont get it, whats the solution... who's they?
# [08:10] <keyvan> users of html5?
# [08:11] <keyvan> i want to use mov, not the open source ones as much as possible
# [08:11] <asher^> keyvan well youll need to use a plugin then
# [08:11] <keyvan> do i need to transcode them before hand, for example, to mp4 (they are h264, which html5 video tag supports!)
# [08:11] <asher^> voldial, maybe this achieves close to what you want? http://jsfiddle.net/ImpressiveWebs/fGNNT/16/
# [08:11] <voldial> asher^, sorry, where do I type text in first? the screen has 4 quadrants but none of them have a rendered contenteditable area for me to change as far as I can tell... new to js and jsfiddle
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# [08:12] <keyvan> asher^: but i want to support android (more open source tech)
# [08:12] <asher^> voldial bottom right one should have it
# [08:12] <keyvan> rather than limit everyone to iOS
# [08:13] <keyvan> <video> is webkit right
# [08:13] <asher^> no, its html5
# [08:13] <keyvan> html5 is a standard
# [08:13] <asher^> using something like mov limits people
# [08:13] <asher^> using an open format doesnt
# [08:13] <voldial> asher^, ok then aurora is unhappy I'll launch a vm that has firefox without my stupid settings and noscript.
# [08:14] <tw2113> to be fair, i'm not sure i've ever really gotten ogg stuff to play with firefox, which feels off
# [08:14] <asher^> voldial: http://javascriptly.com/examples/jquery-grab-bag/autogrow-textarea.html
# [08:14] <tw2113> but i wonder if it's a linux thing :D
# [08:14] <keyvan> asher^: so migrate all pre-existing content and their creators and users and tools in its ecosystem? why? (and thanks btw)
# [08:14] <asher^> at this point in <video> development i believe the recommendation is to provide two formats until the spec is ratified
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# [08:15] <asher^> keyvan if you want to move to html5, you need to support the formats that are specified im afraid
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# [08:15] <asher^> otherwise youll have to stick with the old methods
# [08:15] <asher^> its like youtube, they have both html5 and flash video
# [08:15] <asher^> its tough at the moment because the spec isnt finalised so best practice is to have a couple of formats
# [08:16] <tw2113> and that whole format war
# [08:16] <keyvan> ok so it is a war then, how does one make it turn out well, everything open :D
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# [08:16] <asher^> its not without reason, early on h264 looked like the frontrunner, but because of licensing issues its losing favour
# [08:16] <keyvan> idk
# [08:16] <keyvan> sorry.
# [08:17] <asher^> voldial this one looks really nice http://www.jacklmoore.com/autosize
# [08:17] <tw2113> nothing wrong with saying "i don't know" keyvan
# [08:17] <tw2113> just as long as you ask how to learn more :)
# [08:18] <tw2113> and where to go
# [08:18] <asher^> keyvan, http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/video/basics/
# [08:18] <keyvan> tw2113: thanks and yeah
# [08:18] <keyvan> github repo
# [08:18] <asher^> theres a good place to start
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# [08:18] <keyvan> well
# [08:18] <keyvan> where do i hack
# [08:18] <asher^> how much video are you hosting at the moment?
# [08:18] <keyvan> idk
# [08:18] <keyvan> i am at a crossroads... i dont know which direction to go with it there are a lot of choices
# [08:18] <keyvan> i am not hosting any of it
# [08:18] <asher^> do you have a rough idea of the size? are we talking hundreds of gigs or something smaller?
# [08:18] <asher^> ah ok
# [08:19] <voldial> asher^, arora didnt like the javascriptdaily link, but it works fine in stock FF so that's good (nobody uses arora anyway) I am still working through your other examples. thanks for all the help.
# [08:19] <tw2113> hey now
# [08:19] <tw2113> i use Aurora daily
# [08:19] <asher^> np, i hope you get it sorted. i learned something about contenteditable
# [08:19] <keyvan> asher^: i dont have specifics yet, it depends how slammed it gets... it's not youtube scale by any means
# [08:19] <asher^> im using it in one of the projects im working on, so i better go run some tests
# [08:20] <voldial> tw2113, hah me too. I have ff so broken (on purpose) that I cant use it for banking etc
# [08:20] * tw2113 points to http://m.vid.ly/
# [08:20] <tw2113> voldial the stable branch is....too stable for my tastes
# [08:21] <voldial> didnt know they had a newer branch. i'm 11.0
# [08:22] <keyvan> asher^: tw2113: in terms of the mystery of mov itself being accepted and standardized (easiest for the developer, me), what effort could i make personally?
# [08:22] <keyvan> github repo would have let me hack but this is like a weird open source war thing
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# [08:22] <keyvan> im still bummed about that
# [08:22] <keyvan> you're saying theres nothing to do there, its out of one's hands
# [08:22] <keyvan> correct?
# [08:23] <keyvan> yeah, its not somethign that happens overnight, but i would do whatever, just let me know... and i will idle and ask questions and share knowledge about ruby
# [08:23] <keyvan> thanks
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# [08:25] <voldial> oooh. jacklmoore.com/autosize is very nice
# [08:27] <keyvan> voldial: !! nice
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# [08:28] <voldial> I am still thinking there has gotta be a way to ask for .innerHTML in some other way that does not insert HTML in the content entered and posted....
# [08:28] <voldial> .innertext?
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# [08:30] <voldial> otherwise I gotta use something like http://robertnyman.com/roblab/javascript-remove-tags.htm
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# [08:33] <voldial> I guess the point I am/was missing is, when editing a contenteditable area, I am editing the DOM, so posting that part includes the dom objects... or something like that
# [08:33] <voldial> as opposed to editing a textarea
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# [08:41] <voldial> hm http://stackoverflow.com/questions/822452/strip-html-from-text-javascript
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# [08:44] <asher^> voldial why not just use the auto resize textarea?
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# [08:45] <moo-_-> ugh
# [08:45] <moo-_-> parsin html with regexes
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# [08:45] <asher^> agreed
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# [08:46] <moo-_-> everyone posting such answer to stackoverflow.com should have their karma zeroed
# [08:47] <moo-_-> this is one of such possible methods to pass such filters http://palizine.plynt.com/issues/2010Oct/bypass-xss-filters/
# [08:48] <moo-_-> though needs at least one allowed tag
# [08:48] <moo-_-> but there are others
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# [08:54] <voldial> asher^, the jquery one? I could.
# [08:54] <voldial> was just converting my example to use a textarea
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# [09:34] <moo-_-> c_nick: sencha is good for data-driven business applications with a lot of numbers
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# [09:38] <c_nick> moo-_-, But Sencha Touch has a learning curve . raphel is easy js and kendo UI is JQuery
# [09:39] <c_nick> I want something which is easier to develop upon.
# [09:39] <c_nick> looking at Charts too basic Financial Development
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# [09:41] <moo-_-> c_nick: it depends what your applicatoin does
# [09:41] <moo-_-> c_nick: I stay in my statement
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# [09:42] <moo-_-> c_nick: sencha offers good widgets for data-driven world
# [09:43] <c_nick> moo-_-, Its a basic Financial Application with all the Jazzy UI Charts and Stock Data
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# [09:49] <moo-_-> c_nick: Basic Financial Application leaves pretty much room for the specification. It is not possible to give full answers to your question without seeing the full specification. I suggest you try out different frameworks and pick up your favorite.
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# [09:54] <c_nick> moo-_-, financial Applications are pretty much similar have you seen money control
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# [09:54] <moo-_-> c_nick: I am not in the target group in such applications
# [09:54] <c_nick> oh alright
# [09:55] <c_nick> but as a UI Development Framework Sencha Touch is the most stable / matured one ?
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# [09:55] <moo-_-> c_nick: yes
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# [09:55] <moo-_-> it is also commercial
# [09:55] <moo-_-> other solutions are open source
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# [10:02] <emmaj> hi
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# [10:03] <tw2113> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/06/18/top-10-reasons-to-love-internet-explorer/
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# [11:11] <shankey> hey every one
# [11:12] <shankey> is there any way that i can scann a paper document through scanner from browser using jquery, html5, css, jabascript
# [11:12] <shankey> *javascript
# [11:13] <moo-_-> shankey: no
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# [11:27] <tw2113> boy, html5/js really is getting perceived as a swiss army knife isn't it
# [11:27] <asher^> yup
# [11:28] <tw2113> i'd trust it better to balance the US budget than the dingleberries in office
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# [11:29] <mariusz> "yeah we can make it awesome using html5 boilerplate jquery web3.0 semantic microformats" - every startup guy ever.
# [11:30] <tw2113> sorry shankey not trying to be rude, but i had to make that observation
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# [11:32] <emmaj> lol
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# [11:33] <moo-_-> darn hipsters and their html5
# [11:33] <mariusz> kids these days! back in my days, we used html 4 and we were fine with it!
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# [11:33] <moo-_-> <blink>YES</blink>
# [11:34] <moo-_-> our site logos were not shiny and gradientty. they were rendered in 3d software.
# [11:34] <mariusz> and .gif'ed.
# [11:34] <jetienne> String.prototype.blinkString.prototype.blink !== undefined
# [11:34] <jetienne> true
# [11:34] <moo-_-> http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~jeremiah/linux-pix/linux-logo.html
# [11:35] <moo-_-> so cool http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~jeremiah/linux-pix/linux20shark.jpg
# [11:36] <mariusz> this is _so_ good.
# [11:36] <jetienne> mariusz: the answer to your question is no btw. no web api offer that atm
# [11:36] <jetienne> experimental chrome os excluded
# [11:37] <mariusz> i think that was shankey question though.
# [11:37] <mariusz> http://www.classicamiga.com/images/stories/jreviews/software/S/Sculpt3DXL202_019.png
# [11:37] <mariusz> ah, good days.
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# [17:35] <dilvie> =P
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# [18:50] <MutantTurkey> Hi I have a question about html5 canvas's. Is there a way to get the position of the "pen" in a path?
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# [19:14] <trumpetmic> what's the best way to display part of an external website inside your web page?
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# [19:19] <David_Bradbury> trumpetmic: It is prefered to just link to it and ask the user to go there, but if you insist, just use an iframe / frameset
# [19:20] <David_Bradbury> MutantTurkey: You'll need to keep track of that as far as I know
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# [19:24] <trumpetmic> thanks
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# [19:32] <sedovsek> Hey, Is there any alternative for document.webkitHidden on iOs and Android devices?
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# [19:35] <MutantTurkey> David_Bradbury: how can I keep track of that (sorry I was out for lunch)
# [19:35] <MutantTurkey> David_Bradbury: I don't know the pixel location because I am getting to that point via a arc
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# [19:39] <MutantTurkey> David_Bradbury: I really need an "arcMoveTo" method
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# [19:48] <David_Bradbury> Ah yeah, I had that issue. You can really only either write your own arc method, or use several small lines. The <canvas> API, I feel, wasn't very well thought out
# [19:49] <David_Bradbury> I was actually thinking about writing my own additions to it in the form of a library and seeing if we can get some features added to it
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# [19:53] <grange> maybe someone can tell me what the correct way is to handle both mouse and touch events?
# [19:54] <grange> when I try with my phone, both get fired. touch before mouse. the problem with that is that the function executed on mouseup (and touchend respectively) is expensive and would be called twice
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# [19:54] <David_Bradbury> event.preventDefault(); is your friend :)
# [19:55] <MutantTurkey> David_Bradbury: ok thank you
# [19:55] <MutantTurkey> I think I will just calculate the positions with a parametric eqation
# [19:55] <MutantTurkey> x = cx + r * cos(a)
# [19:55] <MutantTurkey> y = cy + r * sin(a)
# [19:55] <David_Bradbury> my_node.addEventListener('touchstart', function (e) { e.preventDefault(); alert('touch started!') };
# [19:55] <grange> ok David_Bradbury, I'll try that. read that before but thought that it just suppress slide events of the mobile browser. thank you!
# [19:56] <David_Bradbury> Sounds good MutantTurkey :)
# [19:56] <MutantTurkey> :-)
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# [19:58] <grange> nice David_Bradbury, thank you :)
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# [20:55] <Stoob> Anyone here ever make any HTML5 infographics?
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# [21:09] <anothervenue> Anyone know of a Chrome extension or way to block just a single div class coming from a site?
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# [21:11] <anothervenue> Theres some retarded adware injecting into my work Gmail, always under <div class="hi">, and I want to exorcise it like the demon spawn it is.
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# [21:15] <ryan_tait> anothervenue: Adblock plus you can use the filter to always filter certain elements
# [21:15] <joshw_> anothervenue: just curious: can't you run some sort of AdWare scanner on your work computer?
# [21:15] <ryan_tait> yeah or remove the adware :P
# [21:15] <joshw_> haha
# [21:16] <joshw_> well, I'm figuring you already considered that but I was just wondering what made that impossible
# [21:16] <anothervenue> joshw_: Its bullshit from Google Apps, and I don't have access to the domain
# [21:16] <anothervenue> Well not google apps, but the godawful Zoho
# [21:16] <joshw_> Never heard of Zoho
# [21:16] <joshw_> But it seems they're just ads then, not any kind of malware
# [21:17] <joshw_> If so, yeah, AdBlocker works wonders
# [21:17] <joshw_> AdBlock*
# [21:17] <anothervenue> It's not really an Ad, its an extension. I can't seem to get Adblock to block it without taking out my inbox
# [21:17] <ryan_tait> using the easy create filter?
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# [21:20] <anothervenue> got it, BOOM
# [21:20] <joshw_> :)
# [21:20] <ryan_tait> :)
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# [21:20] <anothervenue> ryan_tait: Yeah, the easy create filter
# [21:20] <anothervenue> I narrowed it down to the specific div that was hosting the garbage
# [21:21] <anothervenue> fffffffff
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# [21:21] <joshw_> talking about AdBlock, does anyone know how it filters out YouTube ads?
# [21:21] <joshw_> cause it works beautifully :)
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# [21:22] <joshw_> seems to me they should be digging in the swf or something
# [21:22] <joshw_> which can't be right
# [21:24] <Stoob> I thought it was on the network end of things, when it tries to download the files. but hm, im not sure
# [21:24] <Stoob> I just thought there was something notable about the network request it makes
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# [21:26] <ryan_tait> its a combination of blocking elements and url's i believe you can have a look at one of the default blocking lists http://www.fanboy.co.nz/fanboy-adblock.txt its pretty nuts
# [21:27] <anothervenue> joshw_: Zoho is a set of web apps akin to Google Apps, but they are a really crappy company.
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# [21:27] <anothervenue> Kinda shady in their practices.
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# [21:32] <joshw_> anothervenue: Oh, I see. Pretty simple.
# [21:32] <joshw_> Woops, was meant at ryan_tait
# [21:33] <joshw_> Quite the big-ass list, indeed o.O
# [21:33] <ryan_tait> haha yup
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# [21:34] <anothervenue> joshw_: Yeah. Because we use them, and google hosts our mail, theres a "widget" that allows us to add Todo type crap directly from email to Zoho
# [21:35] <anothervenue> but only like 3 people in the company use it, so they wont turn it off, but the widget takes up more space than most emails
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# [21:35] <Andre_designer> hi
# [21:35] <joshw_> Sounds messy
# [21:35] <joshw_> Andre_designer: hi
# [21:36] <joshw_> anothervenue: Just looked up Zoho's website, and it says 'Zoho for Google Apps' on the front page...
# [21:36] <joshw_> 'so i herd you liek google apps, so we put fake google apps in your google apps so you can google apps while you google apps'.
# [21:36] <anothervenue> It's gross. And their software is buggy and they aren't very customer service oriented.
# [21:36] <anothervenue> joshw_: LOL exactly
# [21:36] <Andre_designer> i coming looking around here
# [21:37] <anothervenue> I had a production database in their service, and they lost the data and refused to pull it from a back up because "It would be difficult". I was a paying customer at the time
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# [21:38] <joshw_> haha, oh god
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# [21:39] <joshw_> 'It would be difficult' :p
# [21:39] <joshw_> So what services do you have to use it for?
# [21:39] <joshw_> your mail being hosted by Google and all
# [21:40] <anothervenue> We only use it for bug tracking now, and some of the executive team uses it for "project management"
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# [21:42] <joshw_> Aha
# [21:42] <joshw_> Software development company, I assume?
# [21:43] <anothervenue> Yes
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# [21:44] <joshw_> html5-related? :p
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# [21:44] <anothervenue> Yes, the main content is created in HTML5 and CSS3
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# [21:46] <Andre_designer> could someone give a good tutorial-site about html5 in plain english??
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# [21:46] <anothervenue> Andre_designer: What do you mean?
# [21:47] <Andre_designer> for the basic structure
# [21:48] <anothervenue> I don't know of a site, but I would recommend books published by Sitepoint
# [21:48] <anothervenue> Hell I'm sure the Sitepoint site has lots
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# [21:49] <Andre_designer> i what to learn html5 but i don't understand not so good how to use the basic structure
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# [21:50] <moo-_-> Andre_designer: have you checked the channel topic links?
# [21:50] <anothervenue> Andre_designer: HTML is basically self describing data. So when you look at the tags, they tell you what things are. It's relatively easy to understand.
# [21:50] <anothervenue> Much harder to create a good site :D
# [21:50] <ryan_tait> Andre_designer: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/ http://diveintohtml5.info
# [21:50] <Andre_designer> nope iv been her for the for the first time
# [21:51] <Andre_designer> ow okay
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# [22:05] <David_Bradbury> http://wsc.opera.com, http://www.htmlhelp.com, http://css-discuss.incutio.com, http://www.brainjar.com, http://www.htmldog.com, http://css.maxdesign.com.au
# [22:05] <David_Bradbury> Read and learn :)
# [22:06] <io__> any idea how to get endless scrolling canvas?
# [22:06] <David_Bradbury> 'endless scrolling canvas' - What do you mean?
# [22:07] <io__> something where you can navigate with the mouse with no scrollbar
# [22:07] <moo-_-> io__: no
# [22:07] <moo-_-> io__: it would allocate endless graphical memory
# [22:07] <moo-_-> no computer could sustain it
# [22:07] <moo-_-> io__: you can animate inside <canvas>
# [22:08] <moo-_-> io__: in your game / thing world space
# [22:08] <io__> moo-_-: i have another idea which comes from dx9
# [22:08] <io__> let s say i have a div inside a canvas
# [22:08] <io__> the div contains my content, allgood
# [22:08] <io__> now i could re use that canvas as texture for another canvas
# [22:08] <io__> and transform in 2D the texture inside the canvas...
# [22:09] <moo-_-> io__: there are no <div>s inside <canvas>
# [22:09] <io__> (dunno if it makes any sense...)
# [22:09] <moo-_-> io__: it does not make sense
# [22:09] <io__> yes you are right
# [22:09] <moo-_-> :)
# [22:09] <moo-_-> io__: you must animate things inside canavs
# [22:10] <io__> i thought about inserting a div inside a canvas but of course it doen t make too much sense
# [22:10] <moo-_-> using javascript logic
# [22:10] <io__> so let me reprhase the quiestion
# [22:10] <io__> 1- is it possible to use html content in a canvas?
# [22:10] <moo-_-> 1) no
# [22:11] <moo-_-> 1) well "hacky" ways are but you should not be doing it
# [22:11] <moo-_-> you inline HTML in SVG and render this SVG as image to canvas
# [22:11] <io__> if not with html then i can probably embed content somehow
# [22:11] <moo-_-> you won't get CSS and such
# [22:11] <moo-_-> io__: you draw the content there by hand
# [22:11] <moo-_-> io__: or overlay it over the canvas transparently
# [22:11] <moo-_-> as with any other DOM element
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# [22:13] <anothervenue> io__: WHat are you trying to accomplish?
# [22:13] <io__> basically a web page
# [22:14] <io__> content is layed out on a grid
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# [22:15] <io__> i could possibly make it big enough, like a few thousands pixels and trying the endless effect where content is repeated
# [22:15] <io__> navigation and zooming by mouse and scroll wheel
# [22:16] <moo-_-> io__: infinite scrolling is possible with barebone DOM
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# [22:16] <io__> i am up for some reading if you have any link
# [22:18] <moo-_-> sorry, nope :(
# [22:18] <io__> the only infinite scrolling i can find is about pagination
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# [22:19] <io__> this is not what i am after, i want the content to repeat
# [22:19] <moo-_-> io__: you probably need some advanced insight how DOM layout engines work and how Javascript can manipulate viewport
# [22:19] <moo-_-> io__: it is not something you can get as a stock solution
# [22:21] <moo-_-> io__: but google maps does it, so...
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# [22:23] <io__> i ll be lurking around if you got anylink or idea i ll appreciate it
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# [22:33] <elrond255> anyone know if there's a standalone hml5 validation library for ruby?
# [22:34] <mike5w3c> elrond255: there is not, I think
# [22:34] <David_Bradbury> I'm trying to understand the purpose of 'infinite scrolling' or why you're using canvas.
# [22:34] <mike5w3c> elrond255: nor for most other languages
# [22:34] <mike5w3c> the closest is tidy I guess
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# [22:35] <elrond255> is there a way to use validator.nu with local files that doesn't require uploading them?
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# [22:39] <mike5w3c> elrond255: yeah there is a way to run it locally
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# [22:41] <elrond255> thanks
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# [23:39] <joshw_> Does anyone here know a code editor that satisfies these requirements:
# [23:39] <joshw_> 1. No IDE, just something small without too much bloat. Just plain code editing.
# [23:39] <joshw_> 2. Syntax highlighting
# [23:39] <joshw_> 3. Auto-indenting (Like JSFiddle)
# [23:39] <joshw_> 4. Windows-based
# [23:40] <joshw_> 5. Free
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# [23:41] <joshw_> 6. (optional) Specialised in certain languages (ie. recognizing the possible attributes of an HTML tag)
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# [23:41] <joshw_> Right now I'm using Notepad++, which does everything but 2 (and 6, but I admit that requirement is a bit vague)
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# [23:48] <anothervenue> Vim
# [23:48] <anothervenue> :D
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# [23:50] <anothervenue> joshw_: Vim is amazing. It's not "Windows based" in the sense that it was created with a Microsoft API, but there are compiled versions for windows.
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# [23:53] <joshw_> Hmm.. interesting. I wouldn't have thought looking at the great command line editors. :P
# [23:54] <joshw_> Firstly because I'm on Windows right now and secondly because I feel empty without fancy context menus and mouse editing.
# [23:54] <joshw_> So do those Windows versions come with any sort of GUI or is it just Vim In A Window?
# [23:55] <moo-_-> joshw_: sublime text 2
# [23:55] <anothervenue> joshw_: THere are GUI versions
# [23:55] <moo-_-> joshw_: http://opensourcehacker.com/2012/05/11/sublime-text-2-tips-for-python-and-web-developers/
# [23:55] <anothervenue> but moo-_- has a good suggestion too, ST2 is good
# [23:55] <moo-_-> take the free trial
# [23:55] <moo-_-> you will like it
# [23:55] <moo-_-> vim is bit... hardcore
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# [23:56] <joshw_> Hehe, well, I'm still considering both
# [23:57] <anothervenue> Hardcore?
# [23:57] <joshw_> Because I don't mind putting a bit of effort in if I could end up being more productive with vim
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# [23:57] <anothervenue> joshw_: Thats exactly what you will get.
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# [23:57] <joshw_> Okay..
# [23:57] <anothervenue> Do you touch type?
# [23:58] <joshw_> Not when I'm coding
# [23:58] <anothervenue> I mean can you?
# [23:58] <joshw_> Oh, I assumed you meant typing using a touch screen. :x
# [23:59] <joshw_> Well, sort of.
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# [23:59] <joshw_> I do have to look at the keyboard sometimes to 'calibrate' (i.e. I don't use the home keys like I probably should)
# [23:59] <joshw_> But besides that I do
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