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1. # Session Start: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #html5
3. # [00:00] <anothervenue> It's very keyboard based, and excellent for that.
4. # [00:00] <moo-_-> anothervenue: ST2 has Vintage mode nowadays too :)
5. # [00:01] <anothervenue> moo-_-: What is Vintage mode?
6. # [00:01] <moo-_-> a nice name for vim emulation :)
7. # [00:01] <anothervenue> So, use vim within another editor? Seems...pointless? Just use vim?
8. # [00:02] <moo-_-> anothervenue: well sublime might have some edge over vim with its features and plug-ins
9. # [00:03] <moo-_-> anothervenue: but I have learnt that one should never argue with a vim user
10. # [00:03] <joshw_> haha
11. # [00:03] <moo-_-> :)
12. # [00:03] <anothervenue> moo-_-: Probably not
13. # [00:03] <anothervenue> lol
14. # [00:03] <joshw_> Kind of feared this when asking a question about editors :p
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16. # [00:03] <anothervenue> moo-_-: But, ST2 is a good program, I just don't see the reason to spend money for one.
17. # [00:04] <moo-_-> anothervenue: I used ST2 for half a year in "trial"
18. # [00:04] <moo-_-> then decided to pay
19. # [00:04] <moo-_-> and been happy ever since :)
20. # [00:04] <moo-_-> before that I have been using anything with a cursor from MS-DOS Edit to Eclipse
21. # [00:05] <joshw_> I liked Eclipse, but the whole Java thing put me off.
22. # [00:06] <joshw_> I used it for PHP some time. But yeah, so many features I didn't end up using.. Just too big for me.
23. # [00:06] <anothervenue> I also had ST2 crash a couple of times, which wasn't cool for a $60 editor.
24. # [00:06] <anothervenue> Eclipse was pretty bloaty when I tried it.
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26. # [00:06] <joshw_> I got the same impression.
27. # [00:06] <joshw_> And I think the Zend plugin for it didn't help
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30. # [00:09] <anothervenue> I don't think anything can help
31. # [00:10] <joshw_> Rewriting it in an actual programming language might help.
32. # [00:10] <joshw_> But I am by no means an expert on Java, so it may not be the cause.
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34. # [00:11] <joshw_> About ST though: is there a features page of some sort, just to get a quick look around?
35. # [00:12] <anothervenue> You can download it.
36. # [00:12] <anothervenue> It has a trial
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38. # [00:15] <joshw_> True. But if there is one, I'd prefer seeing a page with the main/outstanding features listed.
39. # [00:15] <joshw_> But if there isn't, I'll just download them both and see which one I like better.
40. # [00:15] <anothervenue> yeah, right on sublimetext.com homepage
41. # [00:16] <joshw_> Oh, I see. My bad, I thought the page moo-_- sent me was the homepage.
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44. # [00:16] <joshw_> It does look nifty.
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46. # [00:19] <moo-_-> joshw_: I stopped using Eclipse because of bloat
47. # [00:19] <moo-_-> and due to its java / enterprise orientation
48. # [00:19] <joshw_> same here
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50. # [00:20] <joshw_> but I did like the core functionality, the actual 'editor' part.
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52. # [00:21] <joshw_> ST2 seems to provide that. But I'm really not that keen on spending money on a code editor.
53. # [00:21] <tw2113> it's worth it
54. # [00:21] <moo-_-> joshw_: it's the best software I have bought :)
55. # [00:21] <tw2113> and you can use the license on as many installs as you want
56. # [00:22] <moo-_-> and I know the developers are indie so the money goes for good purpose
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58. # [00:22] <moo-_-> joshw_: but give it a try
59. # [00:22] <moo-_-> you can always stop using if you don't like
60. # [00:22] <grantg> moo-_-: Brought back the start in fullscreen mode
61. # [00:22] <grantg> http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/cgi/iGBC.html#GWG3.gbc
62. # [00:22] <grantg> :P
63. # [00:23] <joshw_> Fair enough. I think I'll try them both :)
64. # [00:23] <moo-_-> grantg: did you see js NES emulator already? :)
65. # [00:23] <grantg> moo-_-: you mean the one from 2008 by bfirsh?
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68. # Session Start: Fri Jul 13 00:26:20 2012
69. # Session Ident: #html5
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73. # [00:27] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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75. # [00:27] <grantg> joshw_: Yeah, awhile ago :P
76. # [00:27] <grantg> moo-_-: I don't know if you know, but I'm working on the GBA emulator in JS again
77. # [00:27] <grantg> it's getting closer to release
78. # [00:28] <grantg> the WIP is on github
79. # [00:28] <joshw_> Wow. I think I just might misuse the word 'epic' to describe that..
80. # [00:28] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/IodineGBA/tree/master/js
81. # [00:28] <grantg> I'm trying to finish out the serial communication i/o register emulation handling for GBA
82. # [00:29] <grantg> The hardest part was the DMA actually a few days ago
83. # [00:29] <grantg> DMA/IRQ/Sound/JoyPad are complete
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85. # [00:30] <grantg> Working on the rest of serial/gfx/front end
86. # [00:30] <grantg> and the cpu core is being re-done
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89. # [00:30] <grantg> The hardest part of the hardware emulation outside the CPU is done at least.:P
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91. # [00:30] <grantg> Oh, and the timer core is complete too
92. # [00:31] <grantg> It's moving along
93. # [00:31] <grantg> The GBA in HTML5 coding train is chugging along. :P
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96. # [00:31] <grantg> Always open to others contributing, and I have i/o maps and docs so others can see what they need to do
97. # [00:32] <grantg> I hated the timer core too
98. # [00:32] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/IodineGBA/blob/master/js/GameBoyAdvanceTimerCore.js
99. # [00:32] <grantg> Had to predict all the clocks during HALT so we can skip through the GBA's lower power mode
100. # [00:33] <grantg> and there are four timers and they can be set up in different arrangements
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102. # [00:33] <grantg> so predicting if/when they would fire got ugly and I had to rewrite the logic so many times over. :P
103. # [00:33] <grantg> It's clean now
104. # [00:33] <grantg> better than what VBA has for sure
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106. # [00:34] <grantg> VBA (the desktop gba emu) has such ugly code for emulating the hw timing.
107. # [00:34] <grantg> They globbed it all in c style and have hacks everywhere
108. # [00:34] <grantg> as they rushed in their development I presume
109. # [00:34] <grantg> That's why my emu looks so different from vba
110. # [00:35] <grantg> because it's being done as original code
111. # [00:35] <grantg> nothing is being ported
112. # [00:35] <grantg> because what there is to port is a mess
113. # [00:35] <grantg> really
114. # [00:36] <grantg> IRQ core is smaller than I thought it would be
115. # [00:36] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/IodineGBA/blob/master/js/GameBoyAdvanceIRQCore.js
116. # [00:36] <tw2113> ahhh the wall-o-grantg
117. # [00:36] <grantg> Hardware has its own registers then trigger onwards to the CPU's IRQ line
118. # [00:36] <grantg> hardware has IRQs set in its IF registers
119. # [00:36] <grantg> then masked against the IE register
120. # [00:36] <grantg> then masked againt IME
121. # [00:37] <grantg> then fired to the cpu
122. # [00:37] <moo-_-> grantg: the code looks pretty clean
123. # [00:37] <grantg> It's staged so that the hardware irq is separate from the cpu irq
124. # [00:37] <grantg> as the hardware has its own irq logic that determines if it'll fire to the cpu's line
125. # [00:38] <grantg> The GBC was different
126. # [00:38] <grantg> the hardware logic was *it*
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128. # [00:38] <grantg> GBA basically has the GBC's IRQ logic and implemented in hw
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130. # [00:38] <grantg> we still have to deal with the IRQs in the GBA's ARM7TDMI CPU separately as an input from the hw
131. # [00:39] <grantg> also, I wonder if we can run stripped linux on it
132. # [00:39] <grantg> as we already have unix for gba
133. # [00:39] <grantg> http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/gbaunix/
134. # [00:40] <grantg> moo-_-: Well, it has to be clean for myself to make any sense of it. :P
135. # [00:40] <grantg> JS GBC had kinda globbed code
136. # [00:40] <moo-_-> grantg: looks very auto-completion friendly
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138. # [00:40] <moo-_-> grantg: even good for static analysis
139. # [00:40] <grantg> IodineGBA is done with OOP
140. # [00:40] <grantg> design
141. # [00:41] <grantg> Compartmentalizing all functionality properly
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143. # [00:41] <grantg> CPU will land in GameBoyAdvanceCPUCore.js :P
144. # [00:41] <grantg> That's how predictable the file names are.
145. # [00:42] <grantg> Doing this so it's easier to port to other langs
146. # [00:42] <grantg> so I can provide support for multiple ports
147. # [00:42] <grantg> without hassles with backporting etc
148. # [00:43] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/IodineGBA/blob/master/js/GameBoyAdvanceSoundCore.js looks like 30% of GameBoyCore.js from JS GBC, because it is (sound core from gbc is a part of the sound core of gba)
149. # [00:44] <grantg> nintendo re-used the 4 legacy 8-bit parallel audio channels run at system clock
150. # [00:44] <grantg> Actually "4-bit"
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152. # [00:45] <grantg> and final stage output is 9-bit from the legacy core... but eh
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154. # [00:45] <DJXCON> Hi can anyone help me understand why this jplayer works in chrome/ie but not firefox 13 on Linux? here is the page: http://www.proeventdj.com/jplayer/demos/pedj-audio.htm
155. # [00:46] <grantg> GBA has two 8 bit PCM channels that mix in with the legacy channels to an internal bitdepth of 10 bits
156. # [00:46] <grantg> and the final final stage is PWM driven by system clock at around 512 samples a PWM unit
157. # [00:47] <grantg> where output is actually 1 bit
158. # [00:47] <grantg> like PC speaker style
159. # [00:48] <grantg> sys clock 0x1000000 / 0x200 samples = 0x8000 pwm blocks a second
160. # [00:49] <grantg> or in other words, we have a bit depth of 0x200 (9-bit) and a sample rate of 32768 hertz
161. # [00:49] <grantg> smoothed by capacitors, so an audio filter should be implemented later for that
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165. # [00:50] <grantg> now if we were to run android in IodineGBA. :P
166. # [00:50] <grantg> But probably would fail, as not enough memory
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168. # [00:50] <grantg> as GBA doesn't have much RAM
169. # [00:50] <grantg> and the ROM is capped to around 30 mb
170. # [00:51] <grantg> though we could make our own "cart" to expand the ROM/RAM
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172. # [00:53] <grantg> but would introduce the problem of modifying the linux kernel to allow banking
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174. # [00:53] <grantg> and modify paging logic
175. # [00:53] <grantg> also we use THUMB 1 for the CPU
176. # [00:54] <grantg> so that'd be another problem for android
177. # [00:54] <grantg> as android is designed for newer ARM and THUMB2
178. # [00:54] <grantg> I know firefox devs blacklisted arm that had thumb 1
179. # [00:54] <grantg> and thumb actually started in ARMv4TDMI
180. # [00:55] <grantg> so it's a first rev of it
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182. # [00:55] <grantg> anyhow, if anyone wants to submit pull requests of additions and fixes see http://grantgalitz.org/gbatek/ for hw info
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184. # [00:56] <grantg> things like specific game cartridge types need to be manually added
185. # [00:57] <grantg> so that's something people can definitely pull request for
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187. # [00:57] <grantg> miketaylr: I remember opera had a browser for nds, it'd be funny if it was recompiled for gba. ;)
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189. # [00:58] <grantg> then load up opera in iodinegba inside opera
190. # [00:58] <grantg> oh wait, he's not here. :(
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309. # [02:59] <seu_barriga> hello guys
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311. # [02:59] <seu_barriga> I'm currently facing a weird iframe issue with ie (yeah, I know.. IE sucks, but users that don't know what a browser is still use IE)
312. # [03:00] <seu_barriga> so, here: http://www.comunidadeinove.com
313. # [03:00] <seu_barriga> if you open this in ie 8 & 9, it'll load normally
314. # [03:00] <seu_barriga> but, if you press refresh, the page becomes blank
315. # [03:00] <seu_barriga> but if you press <enter> at the address bar, the page loads fine
316. # [03:00] <seu_barriga> what could be happening?
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321. # [03:05] <seu_barriga> anyone?
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323. # [03:08] <tw2113> .
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346. # [03:27] <cdh473> What's the "standard" html5 tutorial/reference site?
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354. # [03:39] <phonebook_> w3c schools
355. # [03:39] <tw2113> *dies inside*
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400. # [04:18] <diegojsRW> Hi. I'm with a doubt. I'm re-creating my site, and adapting the Youtube incorporated videos to HTML5' <video> tag. For this I developed a Javascript function that checks if the user browser supports HTMLVideoElement. If it's false, the function incorporates the Youtube video at <embed>. If it's true, the function incorporates the video (uploaded at a folder in another server) at types WebM and MP4. My doubt is: how can I let a thumbnail
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403. # [04:21] <diegojsRW> Notes: Inside <video> container. The video is set autoplay=false, so, I want to show a static image at video place until user clicks play.
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428. # [04:26] <imsky> diegojsRW, there's a poster attribute
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433. # [04:39] <diegojsRW> imsky: It worked. Thanks!
434. # [04:40] <imsky> diegojsRW, i knew you'd win
435. # [04:40] <imsky> YOU SLAYED THE DRAGON FRIEND
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463. # [05:26] <bartell> Got my HTML5 t-shirt in the mail today. Now when I go to the mall everyone knows how cool I am.
464. # [05:27] <imsky> lol @ you
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472. # [05:42] <bartell> :)
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480. # [05:52] <b8ab3> Hi, is there any way for one to have a standalone <button> element behave as a hyperlink? IE, when clicked, it would lead the clicker to another page/location on the web? I say standalone because it won't be a child of any form element, just a lone <button>. If it were in a form I realize i could use the @action param of the <form> and be done. Thanks.
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482. # [05:52] <imsky> yes
483. # [05:53] <imsky> <button onclick="document.location='http://surface.com'">BALLMER</button>
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493. # [06:02] <bartell> haha: Join... ask a question.. get an answer.. leave. perfect.
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495. # [06:03] <bartell> Doesn't even say thanks... so I will for him.. imsky thanks.
496. # [06:03] <imsky> yw bartell you sexy mandarin
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498. # [06:03] <bartell> :)
499. # [06:04] <bartell> People these days... oh well.
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571. # [08:00] <diegojsRW> I have another doubt about HTML5. I use anchors to jump to sections (a tag <a> named, then another tag <a> with href equal to anchor name). When I validate it with W3C validator, it indicates that name attribute is obsolete. What a another way of jump to a content in body (preferably no use of Javascript)?
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573. # [08:03] <mike5w3c> diegojsRW: just use an id attribute
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575. # [08:03] <diegojsRW> But the HTML URI detect it when I make <a href="#anchorId">?
576. # [08:04] <mike5w3c> yes
577. # [08:04] <diegojsRW> Ok, I'll test it here.
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636. # [09:38] <nostrum> anyone know where i can easily find good developers/designers for hire?
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642. # [09:49] <asher^> nostrum, as employees or as freelancers?
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651. # [09:58] <nostrum> asher^: both really. we are looking for employees but as a new startup we cant offer premium salary from the start
652. # [09:58] <nostrum> so we might need to go with freelancers first
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654. # [10:03] <asher^> if its a startup and you are looking for cofounders try HN
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656. # [10:05] <nostrum> HN?
657. # [10:06] <asher^> hacker news
658. # [10:06] <qo> Hacker News
659. # [10:07] <nostrum> hackernews.com ?
660. # [10:07] <qo> no
661. # [10:07] <qo> https://news.ycombinator.com/
662. # [10:07] <nostrum> ah, thanks
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665. # [10:10] <asher^> where are you based and what are you working on?
666. # [10:11] <nostrum> norway, and we are working on a new type of online travel agency
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668. # [10:12] <nostrum> we are currently outsourcing to india, but we would prefer our own people for better collaberation and handpicked talent
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671. # [10:15] <nostrum> HN wont accept applications until winter 2013
672. # [10:16] <nostrum> unless i can list a job without applying
673. # [10:16] <mariusz> uh oh, norway
674. # [10:16] * mariusz loves norway.
675. # [10:16] <nostrum> :)
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680. # [10:19] <nostrum> any other suggestions on where to find talented developers/designers?
681. # [10:20] <asher^> nostrum i mean post on the forums
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684. # [10:21] <mariusz> nostrum, I'm a designer, take me to Norway! :D
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690. # [10:28] <nostrum> asher^: ok thanks
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715. # [11:35] <ManT> Hi Everyone
716. # [11:35] <ManT> Could someone please recommend me any good html designer? Would be better opensource/free.
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720. # [11:36] <mariusz> HTML designer?
721. # [11:36] <mariusz> O.o
722. # [11:36] <ManT> something like DreamViewer
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724. # [11:36] <ManT> Where you have UI and you can drag and drop controls
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793. # [13:23] <tocka> ups
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892. # [16:22] <mariusz> danielfilho, try #chromium.
893. # [16:23] <danielfilho> thanks mariusz :D
894. # [16:23] <danielfilho> I solved it always allowing webcam from localhost, but I'll file a bug :)
895. # [16:23] <mariusz> i guess all the chrome guys are there.
896. # [16:23] <mariusz> if you need them.
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950. # [17:16] <jcbk> is there some javascript library to store cookies automatically in localstorage? an abstraction around localstorage, so to say
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953. # [17:17] <asher^> cookies and localstorage serve different purposes. what is the reason you want to do this?
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956. # [17:18] <jcbk> asher^: because the data I want to store works perfectly with cookies, but mobile web apps added to the homescreen on iOS don't store cookies
957. # [17:18] <jcbk> or well, they get removed as soon as the app is closed
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959. # [17:19] <asher^> have you confirmed that localstorage persists? i believe appcache doesnt
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961. # [17:20] <jcbk> I haven't tried it out myself, but looking around online it seem to be the common way to store data on iOS
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971. # [17:25] <jcbk> seems like someone has done it with the jQuery cookie plugin, but thats not what im using http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9480217/store-cookie-in-iphone-localstorage?rq=1
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1064. # [18:51] <ak5_> how ready is html5 form validation? Can I use it for production yet or should I go with jquery validation plugin?
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1072. # [19:00] <David_Bradbury> Depends on the browsers you're supporting. Also, remember that while it does help with validation, always double check and clean the data on the server
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1142. # [20:26] <neurochrome> hi guys, just experimenting with canvas... I have a shape and I want to blur it. How can I do that without downloading some library?
1143. # [20:27] <asher^> i believe doing that in css is pretty cutting edge, i dont think its widely available
1144. # [20:29] <neurochrome> Oh, I'm trying to create some kind of painting toy. It would be nice to leave blurry trails
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1148. # [20:38] <David_Bradbury> neurochrome: You could either simulate blurring the shape by placing it and then placing it off in many directions with less opacity. Other than that, you can create a blur and blur the whole canvas using getImageData and writing a quick filter
1149. # [20:39] <David_Bradbury> Here is a canvas blur demo http://www.quasimondo.com/StackBlurForCanvas/StackBlurDemo.html
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1157. # [20:43] <David_Bradbury> Using a radial gradient might also get you an effect similar to what you're hoping for depending on the shape
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1159. # [20:44] <neurochrome> David_Bradbury, cheers, yeah spotted that blur example, I was wanting to go for a fluid type of animation
1160. # [20:44] <polishguy94> Hello people!
1161. # [20:44] <neurochrome> like paint swirling in oil
1162. # [20:44] <neurochrome> weird I know ;)
1163. # [20:45] <polishguy94> I've been making a design based on twitter bootstrap and at the end of It I saw that the content is too wide and there's a horizontal scroll
1164. # [20:45] <polishguy94> How to check the culprit of this behaviour quickly?
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1173. # [20:52] <David_Bradbury> Firebug, Chrome Development Tools, etc...
1174. # [20:53] <asher^> press F12 :)
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1180. # [20:58] <d4rklit3> hi
1181. # [20:59] <d4rklit3> is there a way to preload <video>
1182. # [20:59] <d4rklit3> across all browsers that support it, without chaching it into canvas
1183. # [20:59] <d4rklit3> caching**
1184. # [21:00] <David_Bradbury> Err... Like, starting to load the video as soon as you hit the page?
1185. # [21:00] <David_Bradbury> I'm not sure what you mean by 'caching it into canvas'
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1188. # [21:01] <David_Bradbury> I think the 'preload' attirbute does what you wish
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1219. # [21:48] <windsurfer> So I've got a fairly pointless webpage here that's pretty slow to use. How could I speed up the UI? (I'm using a library to create the widgets) http://abielinski.com/mtg/
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