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# [02:03] <bwq> hi
# [02:04] <bwq> how are SSE's any different from the normal polling?
# [02:04] <bwq> i figured it'd keep the connection alive instead of refetching every so often
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# [02:05] <bwq> yet chrome dev tools show me a reconnect every 3 seconds, not unlike the standard polling..
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# [03:42] <paul_irish> daleharvey: http://paulirish.com/i/54af70.png <- fyi. see chromestatus.com for a big download of idb changes
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# [03:43] <tw2113> evening paul_irish
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# [03:45] <daleharvey> paul_irish: nice thanks, cant delete my setVersion code yet :( but yeh joshua fixed a bug for me the other day which was awesome
# [03:45] <paul_irish> sweet
# [03:45] <paul_irish> hey tw2113
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# [03:46] <daleharvey> right now its pretty much finishing implementing CORS in couchdb and then testing the hell out of it (and stripping out jquery)
# [03:46] <daleharvey> still havent found a way of sneaking into my day job though :P
# [03:48] <rking> Am I crazy? It seems like REST is a pretty sound concept, but then there's like zero browser support. Which of these two assumptions, or possibly the connection between them, is failing me?
# [03:48] <rking> XHR gives you a method param. AFAIK that's about all you get for HTTP verbs.
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# [03:55] <rking> I'm so confused about this issue I'm actually sad about it.
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# [03:56] <rking> It's just that… how hard would it be for the browser to say "DELETE" instead of "POST" ? That's like a 30 second implementation.
# [03:56] <rking> But my understanding is that even HTML5 doesn't give method="delete" to <form>.
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# [09:42] <Narendra_Bhole_R> HI freinds
# [09:42] <Narendra_Bhole_R> Is anyone know about RDP client in HTML5
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# [12:28] <ManT> Is it possible to hide select list form, but show the list when you click some othre button?
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# [12:28] <asher^> yes
# [12:28] <asher^> with javascript
# [12:30] <ManT> I'm actually trying to do that now, hopefully focus will be enough in mobile app to see the options. :)
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# [13:25] <ManT> How to enable select list?
# [13:25] <ManT> You can disable with disabled="disable"
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# [13:25] <ManT> But can't find how to enable. False, Enable, None doesn't work :?
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# [14:12] <Stoob> ManT: just dont disable it?
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# [14:14] <ManT> Stoob, Sure. I won't create a form too!
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# [14:14] <Stoob> ManT: If you're trying to re-enable it with javascript you'd be better served in #jquery or a channel like that, but for a quick answer: with javascript, use removeAttribute("disabled"). If you're using html, just don't put the disabled attribute there
# [14:14] <ManT> in javascript disabled="false" works fine.
# [14:15] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Is this the channel to ask something about the canvas 2d api?
# [14:17] <TEMP_NICKNAME> krijnh:
# [14:17] <Crucial2> Try it I guess
# [14:18] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Ok
# [14:18] <TEMP_NICKNAME> When trying to render a grid of cirlces, unexpected behavior occurs
# [14:19] <Stoob> ManT: if setting disabled="false" in any way works, i'd be rather surprised. I'd be less surprised if your javascript is just smart enough to remove the attr when you try setting it to false, but according to the standard, if the attribute 'disabled' exists, it's interpreted as having the form disabled
# [14:19] <Stoob> the input* disabled
# [14:19] <TEMP_NICKNAME> for (y = 0; y < 3; y++) for (x = 0; x < 3; x++) context.arc(10 + x + (x * 30), 10 + y + (y * 30), 10, 0, Math.PI * 2); context.fill();
# [14:19] <Stoob> same with checked for checkboxes or selected for select lists, (or readonly, or multiple)
# [14:19] <TEMP_NICKNAME> This should get you a grid of 3x3 circles
# [14:20] <ManT> Stoob, when I wrote disabled="false" I meant that it works within JavaScript. It doesn't work within a Form, but in JavaScript fine.
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# [14:20] <TEMP_NICKNAME> But I get this: http://up2go.us/static/img/adsfasdf.png
# [14:21] <Stoob> ManT: IDK what you're talking about by saying that, then. What are you doing in javascript that you are saying 'disabled="false"'?
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# [14:21] <ManT> Stoob, sorry maybe my English isn't good enough to explain that. Here is example: document.getElementById('Attachment-List').disabled = false;
# [14:23] <Stoob> ManT: that's an interesting way to do it, and frankly I'm surprised it works. If you find that it doesn't work in some browsers, I'd suggest using document.getElementById('Attachment-List').removeAttribute('disabled');
# [14:23] <Crucial2> TEMP_NICKNAME: I just tried it
# [14:23] <Crucial2> And I got the correct result
# [14:23] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Crucial2: How?
# [14:24] <Crucial2> can you page your code into pastebin and link it?
# [14:25] <Crucial2> paste*
# [14:25] <Stoob> yeah, that code looks fine to me, TEMP_NICKNAME, but then again idk. (Then again you could be doing 10 + ( x * 31 ) rather than adding x outside of x * 30
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# [14:25] <Stoob> (wouldnt change the way the code works, but might make it more readable)
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# [14:26] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Crucial2: What exactly do you need?
# [14:26] <Crucial2> or remove that x altogether as it doesnt really add anything
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# [14:27] <Crucial2> how large is the file?
# [14:27] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Well, that's the only thing which really has an impact on the canvas
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# [14:27] <Crucial2> so paste that bit into pastebin i guess
# [14:27] <TEMP_NICKNAME> I was just starting with this project
# [14:28] <TEMP_NICKNAME> The JS or the HTML?
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# [14:28] <ManT> Stoob, thanks.
# [14:28] <Crucial2> they are in seperate files?
# [14:29] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Yes. I first get the canvas element (getElementById) then get the context of it (getContext) and then call that code I pasted here
# [14:30] <Crucial2> if you dont mind me looking, then you can paste the whole thing and ill look at it
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# [14:38] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Crucial2: http://pastebin.com/WfY0xbGX
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# [14:42] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Huh,It has to do something with the initial margin
# [14:43] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Anything above 24 will cut the ovals
# [14:44] <TEMP_NICKNAME> *arcs
# [14:45] <Crucial2> are you sure? I increase it and it still seemed fine
# [14:46] <TEMP_NICKNAME> Yes, it's really weird
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# [14:48] <Crucial2> check this: http://pastebin.com/QaBJRjng
# [14:48] <Crucial2> margin is 50
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# [14:54] <TEMP_NICKNAME> test
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# [14:58] <Babylon> Hello everyone. I was wondering if someone could give me a hand with a little thing thats been bugging me.
# [14:58] <Babylon> I installed a plugin on my Wordpress website and it implanted some code a link back to their website and an image. I want to remove it but I can't seem to find where the code is actually imbeded. Firebug lets me see the code but dosen't tell me where it is. You can see it here http://boukay.com/advertise-here/ if someone could help me that would be awesome. I wouldn't mind their link it just messes up the whole look of my website.
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# [15:00] <Crucial2> Babylon, you posted the same thing in #html and i replied to you..
# [15:00] <Babylon> Crucial2: oh sorry man I didn't see it thank you.
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# [15:01] <Babylon> i must have closed the window do you think you could paste it here?
# [15:01] <Crucial2> wasnt a long answer
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# [15:01] <Crucial2> can you geti nto the code of the plugin you installed?
# [15:02] <Babylon> yes, I can. I inspected it but I dont see that particular code, link or image.
# [15:03] <Babylon> its not hurting anyting its just loud and annoying lol
# [15:04] <Crucial2> open the code for the plugin, and do a CTRL + F for "crankyads-get-cranky"
# [15:05] <bwq> what is the single best method to push notifications/messages from the server to the client?
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# [15:08] <Babylon> Crucial2: that line is not in the plugin code ... http://pastebin.com/2wW6X2Ni
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# [15:12] <Crucial2> do you only have the one file for the plugin?
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# [16:18] <danielfilho> good morning guys
# [16:18] <danielfilho> I'm trying to write some demos with getUserMedia using microphone, but looks like not even w3c have too much interest on that.
# [16:19] <danielfilho> Does anyone here knows anywhere I can run to? :)
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# [17:06] <caddoo> I currently have a simple PHP Web Socket server set up that browsers can talk to, if i send a message the server can respond.
# [17:06] <caddoo> How can I send messages straight to the client without the client doing anything
# [17:07] <caddoo> for things like push notifications
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# [17:48] <joeytwiddle> caddoo: check IOSocket for the client side. i don't know about the PHP end though
# [17:48] <caddoo> i have a socket working that is fine, im thinking i need 2 PHP processes running though
# [17:49] <bwq> caddoo: you're supposed to use Server-Sent Events for that (html5)
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# [17:53] <caddoo> ah bwq
# [17:54] <caddoo> so Server-Sent for like push notifications?
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# [17:55] <bwq> it's meant for push i guess
# [17:55] <caddoo> perfect
# [17:55] <bwq> but i don't really like how it works
# [17:55] <caddoo> it feels hacky on the php side anyway
# [17:55] <bwq> it just pings the stream every 3 seconds heh
# [17:55] <caddoo> its just a never ending loop
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# [17:55] <bwq> this is kind of a never ending loop too
# [17:55] <bwq> except on the client side
# [17:55] <caddoo> as long as it doesnt slow down other client scripts
# [17:55] <caddoo> i dont mind
# [17:56] <caddoo> as its for an internal system (not a public website)
# [17:58] <bwq> maybe i'm just using it wrong
# [17:58] <bwq> but it's pretty much the same on every site that has a demo
# [17:58] <bwq> infinite polling from the client-side
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# [18:00] <Babylon> bwq: how are you man?
# [18:00] <bwq> ? :p
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# [18:01] <Babylon> bwq: you helped me out on my gun website a while back
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# [18:02] <bwq> ah haha, you changed nicks :D
# [18:02] <bwq> fine, thanks
# [18:02] <bwq> cool to see he finally gave you some proper support haha
# [18:02] <bwq> you didn't have to pay the hourly fee, right?
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# [18:04] <Babylon> yea, lol well it was a long process... still is. But now at least all the difficult things are finished.
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# [18:07] <Babylon> bwq: I don't suppose you know how to get rid of Wordpress Sidebar in specific pages?
# [18:07] <bwq> sorry, no experience with wp
# [18:07] <bwq> it's been like 3-4 years or so since i used that :p
# [18:08] <dahlfors> wordpress: make a template file
# [18:09] <dahlfors> Babylon: http://codex.wordpress.org/Pages#Creating_Your_Own_Page_Templates
# [18:10] <dahlfors> there's some on/off switches in the admin interface too if I believe, but page templates will give you more exact control of it
# [18:11] <caddoo> any reason why a Server Sent connection will only poll the server 4 times
# [18:11] <caddoo> and stop
# [18:13] <bwq> if it gets a bad response code, it'll stop
# [18:13] <bwq> as long as it gets a 200, it'll resume
# [18:14] <caddoo> ok how can i debug this in FF
# [18:15] <bwq> firebug
# [18:15] <caddoo> it shows no activity
# [18:15] <bwq> or get chrome and use the chrome dev tools for max <3
# [18:16] <bwq> try and reload the page
# [18:16] <bwq> since your SSE's already stopped, remember?
# [18:17] <caddoo> ah i was looking in XHR
# [18:17] <caddoo> ok
# [18:20] <caddoo> hmm it seems random it just stops
# [18:20] <caddoo> 200 responses all round
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# [18:22] <_ryan_t> for any one that is interested : Yeoman with Addy Osmani - https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBjZ6d0CDA/
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# [18:55] <Pomax> any Opera devs around? jbuck has a fascinating proble,
# [18:55] <Pomax> or problem.
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# [18:57] <jbuck> Vimeo has a JS API for their iframe player. And it doesn't work in any version of Opera that I've tested, it fails with a DOM syntax error inside their iframe js code: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4403845/player-api/javascript/playground.html
# [18:58] <jbuck> and it's only Opera that fails with this error; other browsers are fine with it
# [18:58] <David_Bradbury> To be fair, Opera fails at quite a few things. It is amazing in some respects, but that doesn't make up for its drastic short-comings =/
# [19:00] <Pomax> if Opera was a cat, it'd be that scruffy cat that lives outside the cat lady's house. You'll pet it, you'll play with it, but at the end of they day you'd only take its kittens home
# [19:00] <Pomax> that said, a DOM syntax error is very weird, so I'm curious what's goin gon
# [19:00] <Pomax> *going on
# [19:01] <Pomax> and have no good approach. divya: still got hookups at Opera? =P
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# [19:25] <superjoe> I could use some upvote love on this html5 game engine I've been working on: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4256614
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# [19:32] <sunbeam> whats a good href to use to have a certain wordpress blog post twittered?
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# [20:10] <WebDragon> sunbeam: use the twitter link shortener service? http://support.twitter.com//entries/109623#
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# [20:18] <tw2113> still not making sense sunbeam
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# [20:23] <Babylon> tw2113: howdy
# [20:23] <tw2113> yo
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# [20:27] <Babylon> tw2113 Hey, can I ask you a question about firebug?
# [20:28] <tw2113> only if i can say that i can't promise knowing the answer, but would try
# [20:30] <Babylon> basically, I am learning how to use it and sometimes it works fantastically. Othertimes it dosent tell me what file it is refrenceing. For example. www.boukay,com/events I want to change the color of the Mon, Tues, Wed, text. It shows me the color, it shows me the font but not what file its from. it just says /events/ #5 2105 as a location
# [20:31] <Babylon> which dosent help me a all in locating that specific instance of that specific color... know what I mean?
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# [20:32] <tw2113> the table heads?
# [20:33] <tw2113> only instances of days of the week that i can see
# [20:33] <Babylon> yea, i want to change alot of it actually, the table heads Mon, tuees, etc, are just one of the many things I want to change. I did the same on www.boukay.com/stream and it worked awesomly, it gave me the exact location of everything
# [20:34] <Babylon> but here it dosent say which file, eg. Dark.css or what line
# [20:35] <Babylon> When i was editing the other page it told me... Dark.css, lne 3 , Style.css line 34
# [20:35] <Babylon> im curious as to why it dosent work that way all the time
# [20:35] <tw2113> according to what i see, the color is #5f5f5f and is at line 208 of http://boukay.com/wp-content/themes-ai1ec/umbra/css/calendar.css?ver=1.7.1-4
# [20:36] <Babylon> how did you find that information?
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# [20:36] <tw2113> i right clicked, inspected element
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# [20:37] <tw2113> made sure i had the <th class="ai1ec-weekday">Mon</th> tag selected, and looked to the right
# [20:37] <Babylon> humm
# [20:37] <Babylon> in firexof or chrome?
# [20:38] <tw2113> firefox
# [20:38] <tw2113> if you're getting there with just "inspect element" you're not using firebug
# [20:38] <tw2113> you're using chrome's native inspector ;)
# [20:39] <tw2113> just tried with chrome and saw essentially the same thing
# [20:39] <Babylon> can i show you what I see, because maybe I got it configured wrong
# [20:39] <Babylon> http://i.imgur.com/RdCvZ.png
# [20:40] <Babylon> I don't see a line number or a reference path just /events/ #5 etc.
# [20:40] <tw2113> i wonder if it's selecting from a cache combined file
# [20:41] <tw2113> on your end
# [20:41] <Babylon> not sure I get the same thing basically in chrome and Chromium
# [20:41] <tw2113> *shrug* not sure it matters but i am on firebug 1.10.0
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# [20:43] <Babylon> this is chrome http://imgur.com/Jetju
# [20:43] <Babylon> http://imgur.com/Jetju
# [20:44] <Babylon> i would have the newest version becuase i just downlaoded it
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# [20:46] <Babylon> In Chromium I get this boukay.com:2151 as a location... lol
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# [20:48] <tw2113> hit your view-source and look for a link to that calendar.css file i referenced above
# [20:48] <tw2113> if you don't see an individual one for it, you may have a minified/combined file for all of it
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# [20:52] <Babylon> oh ok
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# [23:06] <Adawerk> !"
# [23:06] <Adawerk> err
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# [23:08] <spobat> Adawerk what is the question?^^
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# [23:10] <Adawerk> anyone work with dart for a fullscale project yet?
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# [23:22] <hober> Adawerk: I think someone was working on a Rust-to-JS compiler in Dart.
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