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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jul 24 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  15. # [00:13] <cryptopsy> what does it take for webkit-gtk to support the <audio> tag?
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  18. # [00:15] <tw2113> http://base-art.net/Articles/120/
  19. # [00:17] <tw2113> for the record cryptopsy Epiphany is your browser, webkit-gtk is the rendering engine
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  22. # [00:22] <cryptopsy> dwb is my browser
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  24. # [00:22] <cryptopsy> you are way out of line
  25. # [00:23] <tw2113> no idea what type of html5 support that browser offers
  26. # [00:23] <tw2113> if any for audio
  27. # [00:23] <cryptopsy> not sure if stupid or just trolling
  28. # [00:23] <tw2113> oh i'm legitimately trying to help
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  30. # [00:23] <cryptopsy> gtk is the rendering engine in the sense of the word you're using it
  31. # [00:23] <cryptopsy> frames and such
  32. # [00:24] <cryptopsy> webkit-gtk is the core of the browser, it handles parsing all the web langs
  33. # [00:24] <cryptopsy> lots of web browsers are built against webkit-gtk
  34. # [00:24] <cryptopsy> epiphany, dwb, and like 50 others
  35. # [00:24] <tw2113> i don't doubt it
  36. # [00:24] <cryptopsy> yes, you do doubt it
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  38. # [00:25] <tw2113> no, i don't
  39. # [00:25] <cryptopsy> yes
  40. # [00:25] <tw2113> think what you want about any doubts i may have, no hair off my head
  41. # [00:25] <cryptopsy> the reason i can get into this yes-no-yes-no battle without feeling sick to myself is that you admitted it less than 10 lines above
  42. # [00:25] <tw2113> but that doesn't mean the browser supports the html5 features yet
  43. # [00:26] <cryptopsy> webkit-gtk is the software responsible for supporting it, and it does
  44. # [00:26] <tw2113> what codecs?
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  47. # [00:26] <cryptopsy> depending how it was compiled, should support it
  48. # [00:26] <cryptopsy> for example, i compiled it with webgl support, and that works
  49. # [00:26] <tw2113> wonderful
  50. # [00:27] <tw2113> what codecs does it support for audio
  51. # [00:27] <cryptopsy> mp3, ogg, probably flac
  52. # [00:27] <cryptopsy> wav
  53. # [00:27] <tw2113> have you tried those with your <audio> tuff
  54. # [00:27] <tw2113> stuff*
  55. # [00:27] <cryptopsy> obviously
  56. # [00:28] <tw2113> have you talked to the dwb devs?
  57. # [00:28] <cryptopsy> there's no way you can call <audio> without trying it
  58. # [00:28] <cryptopsy> dwb have nothing to do with it
  59. # [00:28] <cryptopsy> when are you going to get it?
  60. # [00:28] <cryptopsy> dwb source code is like, 2 megabytes
  61. # [00:28] <tw2113> last tuesday
  62. # [00:28] <cryptopsy> you're being a tech geeking dumbass right now
  63. # [00:29] <tw2113> and you're the one throwing insults my way
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  65. # [00:29] <cryptopsy> that's not true either
  66. # [00:29] <tw2113> you just called me a tech geeking dumbass
  67. # [00:29] <tw2113> how is that not true
  68. # [00:29] <cryptopsy> tech geekers always like to act like they know it all, but in the end have no scope of the overall picture
  69. # [00:29] <cryptopsy> tw2113: because 'throwing insults' has a definition
  70. # [00:29] <tw2113> nonetheless you used an insult against me
  71. # [00:30] <cryptopsy> btw 'tech geeking dumbass' also has a definition, its not like i just called you a fucker from accross the street for no reason
  72. # [00:30] <cryptopsy> yes, i did
  73. # [00:30] <cryptopsy> there's a phenomena called tech geekers that are a cancer to the computing industry
  74. # [00:30] <cryptopsy> dijkstra would be rolling over in his grave
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  76. # [00:31] <tw2113> is it so unreasonable to suggest talking to the developers of $browser for help figuring out why $feature doesn't seem to work the way you expect?
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  79. # [00:31] <cryptopsy> that's beside the point (to address that question, the answer is simply no, because they're not responsible for it), but in the scope of, having said like 5 times its not related, but keep getting quick answers and yes-no-yes-no-yes-no shouting matches
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  81. # [00:32] <cryptopsy> tw2113: to add earlier to codec discussion, webkit-gtk don't support the codec directly (there's handful of proofs for this)
  82. # [00:33] <cryptopsy> no compile flags on webkit-gtk for codecs, for one
  83. # [00:34] <cryptopsy> dwb browser is so detached from webkit-gtk, it doesn't even produce its own config files
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  85. # [00:34] <cryptopsy> even the keybinding file is webkit-gtk generated
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  102. # [00:53] <fclt> greetings
  103. # [00:53] <leaverou> hello everyone
  104. # [00:53] <fclt> can anyone visit http://apmub.info/staceyCMStest
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  106. # [00:53] <fclt> and help me with a thing that is buggin' me for days?
  107. # [00:53] <fclt> i'm getting frustrated...
  108. # [00:55] <leaverou> Question: Suppose we have a block of CSS code, in <pre><code>…</code></pre>. Is there any theoretical or practical benefit for using the suggested in the spec .language-css over a custom data- attribute?
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  110. # [00:58] <tw2113> hi fclt and leaverou
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  112. # [00:59] <fclt> hello tw2113 :)
  113. # [01:00] <tw2113> not familiar with .language-css personally
  114. # [01:01] <tw2113> fclt what exactly are you having trouble with?
  115. # [01:01] <fclt> well the image on the left dissapears when clicking a section (blacks bars)
  116. # [01:01] <fclt> and i don't know why...
  117. # [01:02] <tw2113> i don't even see images
  118. # [01:02] <fclt> tw2113, it's not css, as with pure html it still dissapear...
  119. # [01:02] <fclt> tw2113, the word apmub
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  121. # [01:03] <tw2113> that's the only image I do see
  122. # [01:04] <fclt> yes
  123. # [01:04] <fclt> thats the one
  124. # [01:04] <fclt> click on a black bar
  125. # [01:04] <tw2113> ah, i see, it disappears on the other pages
  126. # [01:04] <fclt> yes
  127. # [01:05] <tw2113> looks like it's turning to 404 errors
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  129. # [01:05] <fclt> hum...
  130. # [01:05] <tw2113> sounds like a relative path isshe
  131. # [01:05] <tw2113> issue*
  132. # [01:05] <fclt> ahhh
  133. # [01:05] <tw2113> where did that H come from
  134. # [01:06] <fclt> so it isn't "./"
  135. # [01:06] <tw2113> from the "wear" page: <img src="apmub_logo.png" alt="" width="72" />
  136. # [01:07] <Stoob> why isnt there a reference implementation of html5 anywhere
  137. # [01:08] <Stoob> seems like something any good standard ought to have
  138. # [01:08] <tw2113> reference implementation?
  139. # [01:08] <fclt> Stoob, how do i do that?
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  142. # [01:09] <tw2113> leaverou where's the language-css spec part? I'm curious to do some reading
  143. # [01:09] <leaverou> tw2113: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/the-code-element.html#the-code-element
  144. # [01:09] <tw2113> cool, thanks
  145. # [01:10] <leaverou> "Although there is no formal way to indicate the language of computer code being marked up, authors who wish to mark code elements with the language used, e.g. so that syntax highlighting scripts can use the right rules, may do so by adding a class prefixed with "language-" to the element."
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  147. # [01:11] <fclt> ok so i got it to show the image... but it reduces it's size!
  148. # [01:11] <fclt> omg...
  149. # [01:11] <tw2113> i can't think of any practical use at the moment for it
  150. # [01:12] <fclt> oh wait...
  151. # [01:12] <tw2113> it's getting a width attribute of 78 fclt
  152. # [01:12] <fclt> yeah
  153. # [01:12] <fclt> so silly of mine
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  166. # [01:32] <tw2113> did everyone wish paul_irish a happy birthday?
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  214. # [03:12] <techouse> is it possible to include only a certain div (identifed by id) in an iframe from an external source
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  344. # [05:21] <asher^> hi
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  354. # [05:44] <Squeige> Hi guys, so I was wondering can someone point me in the right direction looking for a channel with designers that can maybe guide me as I really suck at design
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  356. # [05:45] <Squeige> anyone?
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  367. # [06:05] <jokeyrhyme> anyone familiar with how the Modernizr customisation system is deployed?
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  415. # [08:20] <tw2113> lame....with the Apple Barclay financing card, you have to make a purchase in the first 30 days after applying
  416. # [08:21] <tw2113> to get the interest free option
  417. # [08:21] <EmmaJ_> gay
  418. # [08:22] <tw2113> i'll hold off awhile longer before I apply, I didn't plan to make a purchase within the next 30 days
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  433. # [08:40] <EmmaJ_> hey
  434. # [08:40] <EmmaJ_> http://pastebin.com/KHFTRLD0
  435. # [08:40] <EmmaJ_> i got a question
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  437. # [08:40] <EmmaJ_> how would i go about editing that so the submit button works
  438. # [08:41] <EmmaJ_> and goes to an email i specified
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  454. # [09:10] <EmmaJ_> hey lilsheep
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  635. # [14:04] <MimiEA> hello , it is possible to draw a simple object in a canvas and get the coordonate and the dimension of the object ?
  636. # [14:05] <Armen> you would usually get that information first, so you know where and how large to draw your object...
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  639. # [14:07] <MimiEA> Armen, this i know how to , but i was wondering if i could draw something on the fly and get the Dim & Coord later
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  641. # [14:09] <Armen> MimiEA: not really, perhaps SVG is better suited for what you want to do?
  642. # [14:10] <MimiEA> Armen, ok i ll look into that
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  895. # [19:25] <spanglesontoast> is there an easy way to style the file upload browse button in html5 ?
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  961. # [20:57] <grantg> heh
  962. # [20:58] <grantg> Finally added harvest moon to js gbc
  963. # [20:58] <grantg> http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/cgi/iGBC#harvest%20moon%203%20gbc%20%28u%29%20[c][!].gbc
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  965. # [20:58] <divya> guize do you know if there is an active irc channel to discuss webGL?
  966. # [20:58] <grantg> cleaned up the entire game fetch
  967. # [20:58] <grantg> divya: #webgl
  968. # [20:58] <divya> grantg: but is it official
  969. # [20:59] <grantg> official is going to the w3 server network?
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  971. # [20:59] <grantg> Also added contra - http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/cgi/iGBC.html#contra.gb
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  990. # [21:37] <mr_lou> um... weird question... are the canvas functions limited / different depending of the HTML/JS files are running locally or online?
  991. # [21:38] <mr_lou> I've been playing around with getImageData and putImageData today. Made some effects. Then uploaded to my website, and then it just doesn't work. Runs fine locally though. I'm puzzled. Everything is placed in one folder. There is no cross-domain loading.
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  1043. # [22:23] <rking> Is there a good tag to mean, "A bunch of verbose garbage that you really don't need to show on this page." ?
  1044. # [22:23] <rking> So basically a <span> that I'm going to @media query out of existence if screen space gets tight.
  1045. # [22:24] <tw2113> div
  1046. # [22:25] <rking> <details>
  1047. # [22:26] <tw2113> div's aren't invalid in html5
  1048. # [22:26] <tw2113> perfectly fine to use when nothing else is appropriate
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  1051. # [22:29] <rking> Yeah but in this case <details> is more expressive.
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  1053. # [22:30] <tw2113> then go with that, i won't stop you
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  1055. # [22:33] <Pomax> details are not garbage
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  1057. # [22:33] <Pomax> by default, they're important information
  1058. # [22:33] <Pomax> try <aside>
  1059. # [22:33] <rking> Pomax: Depends on the perspective of the author.
  1060. # [22:33] <rking> <aside> is content that's supposed to stand on its own. I looked at that one
  1061. # [22:34] <Pomax> if the author calls it garbage, it's not details ;)
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  1063. # [22:34] <rking> Pomax: I think it's still an appropriate metaphor — imagine leaving out the "details" of an image that is scaled down. Here we have some verbose marketing drivel that, in a handheld device, doesn't need to show up.
  1064. # [22:36] <Pomax> can you be more specific? because the details element sets up all kinds of browser behaviour
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  1066. # [22:38] <Pomax> (it's effectively meant to be a click-to-see-more element, so if you're using it to hide things without that, don't use details)
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  1076. # [22:54] <rking> Pomax: I'm in a CSS reset, so it doesn't do anything but what I told it to.
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