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  75. # [01:36] <Ferazel> Newbie web programmer sorry. Is there a good way to put an image on top of a video (such as a border) but prevent it from being the element that is getting mouse events?
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  102. # [02:54] <grantg> heh
  103. # [02:54] <grantg> Apple's Safari 6 on Mac OS X 10.8 has some layout bugs
  104. # [02:55] <grantg> I just noticed hiding and unhiding inline-blocks is trashing the scroll system of it in some cases
  105. # [02:55] <grantg> heh
  106. # [02:55] <grantg> This is what I get for updating...
  107. # [02:56] <hober> grantg: could you file bugs at bugs.webkit.org for any rendering issues you ee?
  108. # [02:56] <grantg> At least it supports the web audio api. :O
  109. # [02:56] <hober> (and let me know the bug #s)
  110. # [02:57] <grantg> hober: I'll try to include a screenshot
  111. # [02:57] <hober> better yet, a test case (or at least a url) with which we can repro
  112. # [02:57] <grantg> yeah
  113. # [02:57] <hober> thanks
  114. # [02:57] <grantg> It's the same damn site of mine safari always has issues with
  115. # [02:58] <grantg> Safari 5 on 10.6.8 simply glitched with screen trash
  116. # [02:58] <grantg> on 10.8 for safari 6 it's a weird scroll glitch
  117. # [02:58] <grantg> probably some logic error in webkit
  118. # [02:59] <grantg> Not surprised, a bunch of browsers still have inline-block issues
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  120. # [03:00] <grantg> not to mention the key events are bad
  121. # [03:00] <grantg> safari doesn't delay the events when holding down a key
  122. # [03:00] <grantg> so having a user press a key to do an action results in said action happening like 500x times over in a second
  123. # [03:01] <grantg> firefox/chrome delay event spam on the first few seconds of holding down a key as they should
  124. # [03:01] * grantg sighs
  125. # [03:03] <grantg> hober: Safari's scrolling for 10.8 gets stuck like in http://i.imgur.com/Nmpuh.jpg
  126. # [03:03] <grantg> And I didn't even scroll
  127. # [03:04] <grantg> What should I file this under?
  128. # [03:07] <hober> that one probably belongs at bugreport.apple.com
  129. # [03:07] <grantg> I mean the category
  130. # [03:07] <hober> (again, let me know the bug #)
  131. # [03:07] <hober> safari
  132. # [03:07] <grantg> Any more descriptive?
  133. # [03:07] <hober> that'll do
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  139. # [03:09] <hober> steps to reproduce? i just loaded gamecenter.grantgalitz.org and don't see the bug.
  140. # [03:09] <grantg> load in a game first
  141. # [03:09] <grantg> then hit the escape key
  142. # [03:09] <grantg> I happens when it throws itself into "fullscreen"
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  144. # [03:09] <grantg> as in stretches the canvas to the screen dimensions
  145. # [03:10] <grantg> Still not as bad as Opera's fixed position bug with the page. :P
  146. # [03:10] <hober> i still can't reproduce. i loaded a game (megaman)
  147. # [03:10] <hober> then hit escape
  148. # [03:10] <hober> nothing interesting happened
  149. # [03:11] <hober> and scrolling still works
  150. # [03:11] <grantg> Did the canvas go to the whole window of safari?
  151. # [03:11] <grantg> Safari glitches on key events here
  152. # [03:11] <hober> no, nothing visual changed
  153. # [03:11] <grantg> so holding down escape sometimes throws it into and out of fullscreen on the same key press
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  155. # [03:11] <grantg> hold escape key for longer
  156. # [03:11] <grantg> that's another bug
  157. # [03:11] <grantg> of safari
  158. # [03:12] <grantg> been there since 5
  159. # [03:12] <hober> i just held the escape key for 5 seconds and nothing happened
  160. # [03:12] <grantg> heh
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  162. # [03:12] <hober> are you using the fullscreen api?
  163. # [03:12] <grantg> no
  164. # [03:12] <grantg> fullscreen api is faulty, so I avoid it
  165. # [03:13] <hober> how is it faulty?
  166. # [03:13] <grantg> I let the user put the browser into actual fullscreen
  167. # [03:13] <grantg> the web app here just stretches canvas to screen
  168. # [03:13] <grantg> hober: browsers don't like me mapping to escape key
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  170. # [03:14] <grantg> fullscreen api fails bubbling and shit on escape key
  171. # [03:14] <hober> are your fullscreen problems with the api itself, its design or whatever, or is it with webkit and/or safari's implementation?
  172. # [03:14] <grantg> different implementations too
  173. # [03:14] <grantg> some browsers do a stupid pop up on every keystroke
  174. # [03:14] <grantg> so you can't do squat in fullscree
  175. # [03:15] <grantg> *fullscreen
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  179. # [03:15] <grantg> notably firefox
  180. # [03:15] <hober> you should probably file a bug with them on that
  181. # [03:15] <hober> if you ever want it to be fixed
  182. # [03:15] <grantg> It causes headaches and is handled differently between browsers, so it's trash to me
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  184. # [03:15] <grantg> and I want the escape key to not glitch when I map to it
  185. # [03:16] <grantg> that's a problem with every browser
  186. # [03:16] <hober> you'll have to be more specific
  187. # [03:16] <grantg> hitting escape key causes the user to simultaneously enter and exit fullscreen
  188. # [03:17] <grantg> so it cancels fullscreen as soon as the js requests it
  189. # [03:17] <hober> so, in fullscreen, the default esc binding is to exit
  190. # [03:17] <grantg> I don't want to map my fullscreen key to any other button, so I'm not going to support the fullscreen ap
  191. # [03:17] <grantg> *api
  192. # [03:18] <hober> sounds like your event handler needs to stop the event from bubbling
  193. # [03:18] <grantg> hober: It's supposed to look like http://i.imgur.com/Guwrt.png
  194. # [03:18] <hober> i don't think it's a browser bug
  195. # [03:18] <grantg> hober: It tries to
  196. # [03:18] <grantg> browser won't let it
  197. # [03:18] <grantg> Because browser mandates escape key as the exit key
  198. # [03:18] <grantg> you can't block an exit
  199. # [03:19] <hober> the user has to be able to exit fullscreen; it would be a security problem if they couldn't exit
  200. # [03:19] <grantg> the fix would be for the browser to not exit immediately though
  201. # [03:19] <hober> which is to say, in short, just use another key
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  203. # [03:19] <hober> why are you so wedded to this one key?
  204. # [03:19] <hober> the keyboard is vast and has many keys
  205. # [03:20] <grantg> browsers should ignore the escape key being pressed if it was already being pressed before fullscreen
  206. # [03:20] <grantg> browsers should only accept an exit on a keypress after the message appears
  207. # [03:20] <hober> ALL OF THESE KEYS ARE YOURS EXCEPT ESC. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.
  208. # [03:20] <grantg> I'm not going to, escape key is what users know as the fullscreen key. :)
  209. # [03:21] <grantg> Browsers should simply listen to the first keypress after entering fullscreen
  210. # [03:21] <hober> whoops, missed ATTEMPT NO BINDING THERE. I haven't hseen 2010 in a long time
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  212. # [03:21] <grantg> heh
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  214. # [03:22] <grantg> hober: Pressing escape key anyhow is supposed to throw the game's canvas to stretch to the window
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  216. # [03:22] <grantg> Did the game boot before you pressed it?
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  218. # [03:23] <grantg> hober: I'm not going to use an api that bitches the escape key binding. :P
  219. # [03:23] <grantg> plus the whole "restricted keys" deal
  220. # [03:24] <grantg> that causes the occasional warning of the user pressing a key in a big popup
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  222. # [03:24] <grantg> If a user wants fullscreen, then they'll put their browser into fullscreen
  223. # [03:24] <grantg> Simple as that
  224. # [03:26] <grantg> Wall of fail - http://i.imgur.com/3dq8h.png
  225. # [03:26] <grantg> I've been able to repeat the bug now
  226. # [03:27] <grantg> scrolling after that happens resets the scroll back to normal
  227. # [03:27] <grantg> fyi: I tried the fullscreen api on that page
  228. # [03:27] <grantg> backed it out in a day even after remapping the escape key to another key
  229. # [03:28] <grantg> due to bad eventing
  230. # [03:28] <grantg> in most browsers
  231. # [03:28] <grantg> even without touching the esc key
  232. # [03:28] <grantg> and that ANNOYING POPUP
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  238. # [03:32] <grantg> If your web app wants to have interactivity during the fullscreen api usage, you're gonna have a bad time...
  239. # [03:33] <hober> what annoying popup?
  240. # [03:33] <grantg> I experienced this with FF at least, where you get a message every time you pressed a key
  241. # [03:34] <grantg> warning you that you pressed a key in fullscreen
  242. # [03:34] <grantg> and blocks the content itself
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  244. # [03:34] <hober> oh, firefox.
  245. # [03:34] <grantg> heh
  246. # [03:34] <grantg> some browsers simply ignore the keys
  247. # [03:35] <grantg> only let you mouse like as if it only works for video
  248. # [03:35] <grantg> I just can't use an api like that until I can be sure that using it will work the same on all browsers
  249. # [03:36] <grantg> and webkit won't let me map to escape key with it, so that's out of the question
  250. # [03:36] <grantg> hitting escape key while in fullscreen or requesting it causes browser funkiness
  251. # [03:38] <grantg> using it simply to stretch my canvas across the screen works fine
  252. # [03:38] <grantg> so I ignore the api
  253. # [03:38] <grantg> plus trying to switches canvases to the fullscreen canvas sometimes is part of the issue
  254. # [03:39] <grantg> some browsers don't display it right
  255. # [03:39] <grantg> because it switches the element in focus immediately in the event
  256. # [03:39] <grantg> it's a multitude of half a dozen issues
  257. # [03:39] <grantg> also backwards compat with browsers that can't do it
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  259. # [03:40] <grantg> as I'm not gonna add more snippets just to special case each browser's fullscreen api
  260. # [03:40] <grantg> that's IE6 talk
  261. # [03:40] <teear_> 123
  262. # [03:41] <teear_> hush little baby don't you cry mommys gonna buy you an IE-bird
  263. # [03:41] <grantg> webkit changed their api after it was implemented, so did firefox
  264. # [03:41] <grantg> so I can't use the vendor prefixed versions
  265. # [03:41] <grantg> as I know someone will experience a trashed result
  266. # [03:42] <teear_> hush hush
  267. # [03:42] <teear_> Suck my gecko
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  635. # [14:36] <dpn`> is it possible to browse my html5 store for a particular web page?
  636. # [14:37] <dpn`> ah, this seems to be about right: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6810265/file-browser-access-to-chromes-sandboxed-filesystems
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  871. # [20:14] <mr_lou> Is there any "best practice" way of preloading resources when doing an HTML5 app?
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  873. # [20:15] <moo-_-> a good question
  874. # [20:15] <moo-_-> I have not come across any good solution
  875. # [20:15] <moo-_-> so if you find one please tell
  876. # [20:15] <mr_lou> :-> Will do
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  880. # [20:16] <mr_lou> I did stumble across a project called html5Preloader a few minutes ago. Didn't look into it though.
  881. # [20:16] <moo-_-> mr_lou: I tried using HTML5 manifest but it was pretty dead end
  882. # [20:16] <moo-_-> mr_lou: you cannot get sensible information out of application cache to know when the resources are actually loaded
  883. # [20:17] <moo-_-> too vague APIs to the point it is unusable
  884. # [20:18] <jarek> mr_lou: you should avoid solutions that depend on localStorage
  885. # [20:18] <David_Bradbury> You can know when the resources are loaded using Manifest
  886. # [20:18] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: buy you cannot have progress indicator
  887. # [20:18] <mr_lou> I went in a wrong direction recently. Tried loading images using synchronous XMLHttpRequest. It did load the image data fine. Then I put it in a string variable, base64 encoded it, and did image.src=base64encodedstring only to find out that THIS loads asynchronously, so the image wouldn't be loaded and ready right after anyway.
  888. # [20:19] <moo-_-> mr_lou: just use jQuery Deferred pattern to chain async events and trigger "resource loaded" when it is actually an useable object
  889. # [20:19] <mr_lou> Yea, it's handy to have that progressbar.
  890. # [20:20] <David_Bradbury> moo-_-: Well, an event fires every time a file is loaded, and if you know how many items are in the manifest, you can simulate it.
  891. # [20:20] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: "hooray"
  892. # [20:20] <mr_lou> lol
  893. # [20:21] <David_Bradbury> It's not perfect and I would certainly like to see less crappy API's in HTML5 (lots of them feel rushed and not very well thought out).
  894. # [20:21] * johnkpaul-afk is now known as johnkpaul
  895. # [20:21] <David_Bradbury> But it will do the job for most cases in my opinion
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  898. # [20:22] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: you still need to load images in memory and such
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  900. # [20:22] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: I'd totally skip manifest and just have my own resource handler
  901. # [20:22] <moo-_-> less broken wheels to worry about
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  904. # [20:23] <David_Bradbury> Well, everything needs to be loaded into memory, cached or otherwise :P But I understand what you're saying
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  906. # [20:24] <moo-_-> manifest can serve its need to get files to the cache persistently
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  908. # [20:24] <moo-_-> at least on mobile
  909. # [20:25] <moo-_-> but I don't really know if it is really useful for anything else
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  913. # [20:25] <David_Bradbury> I'm currently writing an app for a client, and they can export a mobile version that loads all the files into the application cache so that they can do presentations and the like offline
  914. # [20:26] <David_Bradbury> It does the job well enough there, but I wouldn't use it for much else
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  917. # [20:29] <mr_lou> moo-_-, You can load binary files with synchronous XHR calls. Does that help with anything?
  918. # [20:29] <moo-_-> mr_lou: you *don't* want to use synchronous XHR
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  920. # [20:29] <moo-_-> or if you like the message "Your script is unresponsive..."
  921. # [20:29] <mr_lou> mkay
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  967. # [21:34] <chipotle> does anyone know what the most universal file extension support is for html5 video? i have an mp4 video, but i want to recode it (is that called transcoding?) so it plays on the most amount of browsers with minimal fuss
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  1023. # [22:55] <David_Bradbury> http://caniuse.com/#feat=namevalue-storage
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