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75. # [01:36] <Ferazel> Newbie web programmer sorry. Is there a good way to put an image on top of a video (such as a border) but prevent it from being the element that is getting mouse events?
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102. # [02:54] <grantg> heh
103. # [02:54] <grantg> Apple's Safari 6 on Mac OS X 10.8 has some layout bugs
104. # [02:55] <grantg> I just noticed hiding and unhiding inline-blocks is trashing the scroll system of it in some cases
105. # [02:55] <grantg> heh
106. # [02:55] <grantg> This is what I get for updating...
107. # [02:56] <hober> grantg: could you file bugs at bugs.webkit.org for any rendering issues you ee?
108. # [02:56] <grantg> At least it supports the web audio api. :O
109. # [02:56] <hober> (and let me know the bug #s)
110. # [02:57] <grantg> hober: I'll try to include a screenshot
111. # [02:57] <hober> better yet, a test case (or at least a url) with which we can repro
112. # [02:57] <grantg> yeah
113. # [02:57] <hober> thanks
114. # [02:57] <grantg> It's the same damn site of mine safari always has issues with
115. # [02:58] <grantg> Safari 5 on 10.6.8 simply glitched with screen trash
116. # [02:58] <grantg> on 10.8 for safari 6 it's a weird scroll glitch
117. # [02:58] <grantg> probably some logic error in webkit
118. # [02:59] <grantg> Not surprised, a bunch of browsers still have inline-block issues
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120. # [03:00] <grantg> not to mention the key events are bad
121. # [03:00] <grantg> safari doesn't delay the events when holding down a key
122. # [03:00] <grantg> so having a user press a key to do an action results in said action happening like 500x times over in a second
123. # [03:01] <grantg> firefox/chrome delay event spam on the first few seconds of holding down a key as they should
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125. # [03:03] <grantg> hober: Safari's scrolling for 10.8 gets stuck like in http://i.imgur.com/Nmpuh.jpg
126. # [03:03] <grantg> And I didn't even scroll
127. # [03:04] <grantg> What should I file this under?
128. # [03:07] <hober> that one probably belongs at bugreport.apple.com
129. # [03:07] <grantg> I mean the category
130. # [03:07] <hober> (again, let me know the bug #)
131. # [03:07] <hober> safari
132. # [03:07] <grantg> Any more descriptive?
133. # [03:07] <hober> that'll do
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139. # [03:09] <hober> steps to reproduce? i just loaded gamecenter.grantgalitz.org and don't see the bug.
140. # [03:09] <grantg> load in a game first
141. # [03:09] <grantg> then hit the escape key
142. # [03:09] <grantg> I happens when it throws itself into "fullscreen"
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144. # [03:09] <grantg> as in stretches the canvas to the screen dimensions
145. # [03:10] <grantg> Still not as bad as Opera's fixed position bug with the page. :P
146. # [03:10] <hober> i still can't reproduce. i loaded a game (megaman)
147. # [03:10] <hober> then hit escape
148. # [03:10] <hober> nothing interesting happened
149. # [03:11] <hober> and scrolling still works
150. # [03:11] <grantg> Did the canvas go to the whole window of safari?
151. # [03:11] <grantg> Safari glitches on key events here
152. # [03:11] <hober> no, nothing visual changed
153. # [03:11] <grantg> so holding down escape sometimes throws it into and out of fullscreen on the same key press
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155. # [03:11] <grantg> hold escape key for longer
156. # [03:11] <grantg> that's another bug
157. # [03:11] <grantg> of safari
158. # [03:12] <grantg> been there since 5
159. # [03:12] <hober> i just held the escape key for 5 seconds and nothing happened
160. # [03:12] <grantg> heh
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162. # [03:12] <hober> are you using the fullscreen api?
163. # [03:12] <grantg> no
164. # [03:12] <grantg> fullscreen api is faulty, so I avoid it
165. # [03:13] <hober> how is it faulty?
166. # [03:13] <grantg> I let the user put the browser into actual fullscreen
167. # [03:13] <grantg> the web app here just stretches canvas to screen
168. # [03:13] <grantg> hober: browsers don't like me mapping to escape key
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170. # [03:14] <grantg> fullscreen api fails bubbling and shit on escape key
171. # [03:14] <hober> are your fullscreen problems with the api itself, its design or whatever, or is it with webkit and/or safari's implementation?
172. # [03:14] <grantg> different implementations too
173. # [03:14] <grantg> some browsers do a stupid pop up on every keystroke
174. # [03:14] <grantg> so you can't do squat in fullscree
175. # [03:15] <grantg> *fullscreen
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179. # [03:15] <grantg> notably firefox
180. # [03:15] <hober> you should probably file a bug with them on that
181. # [03:15] <hober> if you ever want it to be fixed
182. # [03:15] <grantg> It causes headaches and is handled differently between browsers, so it's trash to me
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184. # [03:15] <grantg> and I want the escape key to not glitch when I map to it
185. # [03:16] <grantg> that's a problem with every browser
186. # [03:16] <hober> you'll have to be more specific
187. # [03:16] <grantg> hitting escape key causes the user to simultaneously enter and exit fullscreen
188. # [03:17] <grantg> so it cancels fullscreen as soon as the js requests it
189. # [03:17] <hober> so, in fullscreen, the default esc binding is to exit
190. # [03:17] <grantg> I don't want to map my fullscreen key to any other button, so I'm not going to support the fullscreen ap
191. # [03:17] <grantg> *api
192. # [03:18] <hober> sounds like your event handler needs to stop the event from bubbling
193. # [03:18] <grantg> hober: It's supposed to look like http://i.imgur.com/Guwrt.png
194. # [03:18] <hober> i don't think it's a browser bug
195. # [03:18] <grantg> hober: It tries to
196. # [03:18] <grantg> browser won't let it
197. # [03:18] <grantg> Because browser mandates escape key as the exit key
198. # [03:18] <grantg> you can't block an exit
199. # [03:19] <hober> the user has to be able to exit fullscreen; it would be a security problem if they couldn't exit
200. # [03:19] <grantg> the fix would be for the browser to not exit immediately though
201. # [03:19] <hober> which is to say, in short, just use another key
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203. # [03:19] <hober> why are you so wedded to this one key?
204. # [03:19] <hober> the keyboard is vast and has many keys
205. # [03:20] <grantg> browsers should ignore the escape key being pressed if it was already being pressed before fullscreen
206. # [03:20] <grantg> browsers should only accept an exit on a keypress after the message appears
207. # [03:20] <hober> ALL OF THESE KEYS ARE YOURS EXCEPT ESC. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.
208. # [03:20] <grantg> I'm not going to, escape key is what users know as the fullscreen key. :)
209. # [03:21] <grantg> Browsers should simply listen to the first keypress after entering fullscreen
210. # [03:21] <hober> whoops, missed ATTEMPT NO BINDING THERE. I haven't hseen 2010 in a long time
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212. # [03:21] <grantg> heh
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214. # [03:22] <grantg> hober: Pressing escape key anyhow is supposed to throw the game's canvas to stretch to the window
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216. # [03:22] <grantg> Did the game boot before you pressed it?
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218. # [03:23] <grantg> hober: I'm not going to use an api that bitches the escape key binding. :P
219. # [03:23] <grantg> plus the whole "restricted keys" deal
220. # [03:24] <grantg> that causes the occasional warning of the user pressing a key in a big popup
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222. # [03:24] <grantg> If a user wants fullscreen, then they'll put their browser into fullscreen
223. # [03:24] <grantg> Simple as that
224. # [03:26] <grantg> Wall of fail - http://i.imgur.com/3dq8h.png
225. # [03:26] <grantg> I've been able to repeat the bug now
226. # [03:27] <grantg> scrolling after that happens resets the scroll back to normal
227. # [03:27] <grantg> fyi: I tried the fullscreen api on that page
228. # [03:27] <grantg> backed it out in a day even after remapping the escape key to another key
229. # [03:28] <grantg> due to bad eventing
230. # [03:28] <grantg> in most browsers
231. # [03:28] <grantg> even without touching the esc key
232. # [03:28] <grantg> and that ANNOYING POPUP
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238. # [03:32] <grantg> If your web app wants to have interactivity during the fullscreen api usage, you're gonna have a bad time...
239. # [03:33] <hober> what annoying popup?
240. # [03:33] <grantg> I experienced this with FF at least, where you get a message every time you pressed a key
241. # [03:34] <grantg> warning you that you pressed a key in fullscreen
242. # [03:34] <grantg> and blocks the content itself
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244. # [03:34] <hober> oh, firefox.
245. # [03:34] <grantg> heh
246. # [03:34] <grantg> some browsers simply ignore the keys
247. # [03:35] <grantg> only let you mouse like as if it only works for video
248. # [03:35] <grantg> I just can't use an api like that until I can be sure that using it will work the same on all browsers
249. # [03:36] <grantg> and webkit won't let me map to escape key with it, so that's out of the question
250. # [03:36] <grantg> hitting escape key while in fullscreen or requesting it causes browser funkiness
251. # [03:38] <grantg> using it simply to stretch my canvas across the screen works fine
252. # [03:38] <grantg> so I ignore the api
253. # [03:38] <grantg> plus trying to switches canvases to the fullscreen canvas sometimes is part of the issue
254. # [03:39] <grantg> some browsers don't display it right
255. # [03:39] <grantg> because it switches the element in focus immediately in the event
256. # [03:39] <grantg> it's a multitude of half a dozen issues
257. # [03:39] <grantg> also backwards compat with browsers that can't do it
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259. # [03:40] <grantg> as I'm not gonna add more snippets just to special case each browser's fullscreen api
260. # [03:40] <grantg> that's IE6 talk
261. # [03:40] <teear_> 123
262. # [03:41] <teear_> hush little baby don't you cry mommys gonna buy you an IE-bird
263. # [03:41] <grantg> webkit changed their api after it was implemented, so did firefox
264. # [03:41] <grantg> so I can't use the vendor prefixed versions
265. # [03:41] <grantg> as I know someone will experience a trashed result
266. # [03:42] <teear_> hush hush
267. # [03:42] <teear_> Suck my gecko
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634. # [14:36] <dpn`> hey.. not sure this is the right place, but I'll try anyway..
635. # [14:36] <dpn`> is it possible to browse my html5 store for a particular web page?
636. # [14:37] <dpn`> ah, this seems to be about right: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6810265/file-browser-access-to-chromes-sandboxed-filesystems
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871. # [20:14] <mr_lou> Is there any "best practice" way of preloading resources when doing an HTML5 app?
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873. # [20:15] <moo-_-> a good question
874. # [20:15] <moo-_-> I have not come across any good solution
875. # [20:15] <moo-_-> so if you find one please tell
876. # [20:15] <mr_lou> :-> Will do
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880. # [20:16] <mr_lou> I did stumble across a project called html5Preloader a few minutes ago. Didn't look into it though.
881. # [20:16] <moo-_-> mr_lou: I tried using HTML5 manifest but it was pretty dead end
882. # [20:16] <moo-_-> mr_lou: you cannot get sensible information out of application cache to know when the resources are actually loaded
883. # [20:17] <moo-_-> too vague APIs to the point it is unusable
884. # [20:18] <jarek> mr_lou: you should avoid solutions that depend on localStorage
885. # [20:18] <David_Bradbury> You can know when the resources are loaded using Manifest
886. # [20:18] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: buy you cannot have progress indicator
887. # [20:18] <mr_lou> I went in a wrong direction recently. Tried loading images using synchronous XMLHttpRequest. It did load the image data fine. Then I put it in a string variable, base64 encoded it, and did image.src=base64encodedstring only to find out that THIS loads asynchronously, so the image wouldn't be loaded and ready right after anyway.
888. # [20:19] <moo-_-> mr_lou: just use jQuery Deferred pattern to chain async events and trigger "resource loaded" when it is actually an useable object
889. # [20:19] <mr_lou> Yea, it's handy to have that progressbar.
890. # [20:20] <David_Bradbury> moo-_-: Well, an event fires every time a file is loaded, and if you know how many items are in the manifest, you can simulate it.
891. # [20:20] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: "hooray"
892. # [20:20] <mr_lou> lol
893. # [20:21] <David_Bradbury> It's not perfect and I would certainly like to see less crappy API's in HTML5 (lots of them feel rushed and not very well thought out).
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895. # [20:21] <David_Bradbury> But it will do the job for most cases in my opinion
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898. # [20:22] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: you still need to load images in memory and such
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900. # [20:22] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: I'd totally skip manifest and just have my own resource handler
901. # [20:22] <moo-_-> less broken wheels to worry about
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904. # [20:23] <David_Bradbury> Well, everything needs to be loaded into memory, cached or otherwise :P But I understand what you're saying
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906. # [20:24] <moo-_-> manifest can serve its need to get files to the cache persistently
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908. # [20:24] <moo-_-> at least on mobile
909. # [20:25] <moo-_-> but I don't really know if it is really useful for anything else
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913. # [20:25] <David_Bradbury> I'm currently writing an app for a client, and they can export a mobile version that loads all the files into the application cache so that they can do presentations and the like offline
914. # [20:26] <David_Bradbury> It does the job well enough there, but I wouldn't use it for much else
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917. # [20:29] <mr_lou> moo-_-, You can load binary files with synchronous XHR calls. Does that help with anything?
918. # [20:29] <moo-_-> mr_lou: you *don't* want to use synchronous XHR
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920. # [20:29] <moo-_-> or if you like the message "Your script is unresponsive..."
921. # [20:29] <mr_lou> mkay
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967. # [21:34] <chipotle> does anyone know what the most universal file extension support is for html5 video? i have an mp4 video, but i want to recode it (is that called transcoding?) so it plays on the most amount of browsers with minimal fuss
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