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- # [00:46] <izual> Hi, I have a HTML5 video tag and I 'd like to know if there is any download speed information available regarding the video
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- # [04:09] <grantg> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/x9pq0/iam_bill_nye_the_science_guy_ama/
- # [04:09] <grantg> TIL bill nye is doing an ama
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- # [06:29] <rookie84> is it OK to go ahead and make an HTML5 site? (like all browsers will support?
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- # [06:32] <tw2113> what html5 parts?
- # [06:32] <tw2113> semantic tags?
- # [06:32] <tw2113> http://caniuse.com/
- # [06:33] <rookie84> tw2113: thanks for replying, i'm quite a beginner and have almost no experience with HTML5 :)
- # [06:33] <tw2113> it'll depend on what parts you're wanting to use
- # [06:33] <rookie84> when people say they make sites in HTML5 I just want to know what elements do they use.
- # [06:34] <tw2113> well, there are many new javascript api's available, and also new semantic tags
- # [06:34] <rookie84> and all teh buzz in magazines about HTML5, I wonder what stuff from HTML5 is mostly used
- # [06:34] <tw2113> i had the new tags working back in 2010, IE6+
- # [06:34] <rookie84> hmm ok
- # [06:35] <tw2113> bit of js for the old browsers, mainly IE, to tell them "hey, i can style these things!"
- # [06:35] <rookie84> OK
- # [06:35] <tw2113> https://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/
- # [06:35] <rookie84> what are theyse JS called?
- # [06:35] <tw2113> what i just linked
- # [06:36] <tw2113> refer to the caniuse.com site for more details of what browsers and what versions of them can use what feature
- # [06:36] <rookie84> OK
- # [06:37] <tw2113> SOME features can use what are called polyfills to emulate the same technologies in older browsers
- # [06:37] <rookie84> tw2113: thanks, HTML5 Boiler plate what is this?
- # [06:37] <tw2113> divya paul_irish you'd be better answering that question
- # [06:37] <rookie84> polyfills are JS libs?
- # [06:38] <tw2113> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-Browser-Polyfills
- # [06:38] <tw2113> nice long list of available ones
- # [06:38] <rookie84> ok
- # [06:39] <rookie84> tw2113: thanks, HTML5 Boiler plate what is this?
- # [06:39] <tw2113> have you read the page for it?
- # [06:40] <tw2113> http://html5boilerplate.com/ click the "I'm new here, plz explain why it's good, first" link at the top
- # [06:41] <rookie84> just did that :)
- # [06:41] <rookie84> question is: why not people use boilerplate if html5 boiler plate provides 'new tags with certainity'
- # [06:42] <tw2113> because you don't NEED the boilerplate itself to provide that certainty
- # [06:42] <tw2113> it's just a tool that has a lot of things set up for you already to save you time
- # [06:43] <rookie84> lots of things set up already: like pollyfills?
- # [06:43] <tw2113> no, probably not, without reading
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- # [06:43] <tw2113> the boiler plate is just a starting point to build off of
- # [06:44] <tw2113> and then as you're going, and start seeing your needs, you fill in the holes
- # [06:44] <rookie84> I am an absolute beginner, i do php/mysql since years and want to get into html5, what would you recommend to me please? like go ahead with just learning the tags and pollyfills?
- # [06:45] <tw2113> http://diveintohtml5.info/
- # [06:45] <tw2113> i'd be reading and figuring out what it is and isn't
- # [06:46] <tw2113> check support for various parts
- # [06:46] <rookie84> hmm ok
- # [06:46] <tw2113> figure out caveats and how to get around them
- # [06:46] <rookie84> ok
- # [06:47] <rookie84> html5 and css3 are same kind of stuff?
- # [06:47] <rookie84> as html and css are?
- # [06:47] <tw2113> one is markup and one is styling
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- # [06:47] <rookie84> ofcourse, i mean like
- # [06:47] <tw2113> they're different technology parts
- # [06:47] <rookie84> css3 is not yet fully supported either right?
- # [06:47] <rookie84> different story perhaps :)
- # [06:48] <tw2113> correct, css3 stuff isn't fully supported in all browsers, but the support is getting wider with every browser version release
- # [06:49] <rookie84> OK
- # [06:49] <tw2113> and CSS doesn't have any sort of polyfills either
- # [06:49] <rookie84> Ok
- # [06:49] <rookie84> most smart tabs already use HTML5/CSS3 right?
- # [06:50] <tw2113> smart tabs?
- # [06:50] <rookie84> sorry smart phones
- # [06:50] <rookie84> ipads, iphones
- # [06:50] <rookie84> tabs
- # [06:51] <tw2113> i'd say mobile has pretty solid support, but don't be afraid to do some google searches to double check
- # [06:51] <rookie84> ok
- # [06:53] <tw2113> never be afraid to google for more info, or come back in here and see if anyone is around
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- # [06:53] <rookie84> thanks much tw2113
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- # [09:05] <chovy> how long do you think html5 will be around for?
- # [09:05] <moo-_-> chovy: http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5
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- # [09:08] <tw2113> chovy is html4 still around?
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- # [09:13] <chovy> yes.
- # [09:14] <chovy> well i'm trying to pick a domain name and wondering if i should use html5 in the domain or not.
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- # [09:14] <chovy> it'll probably be around for another 10 years at least in the general venacular
- # [09:16] <tw2113> chovy https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/314754_4138455374696_1796319742_n.jpg
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- # [09:20] <rookie84> tw2113: hahah
- # [09:20] <rookie84> thats a good one.
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- # [09:24] <chovy> nice
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- # [12:24] <izual> Hi, I have an HTML5 video application and I 'd like to know if there is a way to get the download speed of the video. I want to fire an event when the download speed drops below a certain threshold. Is there any such way?
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- # [12:28] <sunbeam> Bad value true for attribute readonly on element input.
- # [12:28] <sunbeam> i get when validating
- # [12:29] <sunbeam> how can i fix this?
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- # [14:33] <rayn> hello everybody
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- # [14:33] <rayn> I have to create a custom slider so can I use HTML5 to create one?
- # [14:34] <pinage404> why not ?
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- # [14:35] <rayn> Umm,I don't know whether it's practical or not.I meant does any site use such a slider
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- # [16:08] <Jabberwock> What is the "better" site that everyone recommend over w3schools?
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- # [16:08] <yamcsha> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/web
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- # [16:11] <Pomax> +1
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- # [16:12] <Pomax> although mdn can do with a few more examples. that said, excellent resource
- # [16:12] <Pomax> question: I want a page with a two column layout, main content left, sidebar right, sidebar has fixed width, main should take up "the rest". Is this flexbox-only territory or is there another way to do this
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- # [16:15] <Pomax> (and if it's flexbox only, how do I make it work in ie/opera without using frames)
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- # [21:03] <sunbeam> for some reason when i submit a form, and one checkbox range (called colors[]) i only see the last color selected in php, and not the other 3 selected
- # [21:03] <sunbeam> any idea what i do wrong?
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- # [23:37] <meoblast001> hi
- # [23:38] <meoblast001> with offline caching, how can i make the browser always pull the latest copy of files if they are available?
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The end :)