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  74. # [02:10] <factor> Does anyone know of a Flickr slideshow using html5
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  106. # [03:46] <techrush_> kee!
  107. # [03:46] <techrush_> sock monkey is da best monkey in da world.
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  127. # [04:18] <freenodiz> hello, i have a question about semantics. I'm building a cv website. it consists of only 1 page. the content is divided by topics, and inside of each topic, there's keywords.eg, topic front end development has css3,html5,javascript keywords etc. the question is: what would be more semantic, each section having an h2 for the the title section, and each keyword it's <p> tag or should i organize it as ul's giving a title for each ul. note tha
  128. # [04:18] <freenodiz> t there's many sections.
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  136. # [04:40] <freenodiz> any ideas?
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  502. # [15:48] <Log1x> hey, if i have a site that doesn't have a navigation but has like "Top 5 Products" on the side menu linking to corrosponding articles, would I use <nav> ?
  503. # [15:49] <Log1x> or by what im reading, is nav for only MAJOR navigation info
  504. # [15:51] <JakeA> It's not set in stone, but I tend to use <nav> for cross-site consistent navigation
  505. # [15:51] <JakeA> if that's the main method of navigation across multiple pages, <nav> makes sense
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  509. # [16:03] <Log1x> hmm okay. thank you! one more thing if you don't mind: what would be the best element to use for a breadcrumb?
  510. # [16:03] <Log1x> <aside> ?
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  514. # [16:06] <_shorinji_> if it is on the side of an article perhaps :)
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  517. # [16:08] <Log1x> http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2009/08/04/designing-a-html-5-layout-from-scratch/ -- using this as an example -- is it too old? he confused me beacuse he used aside in his "featured" section which my site will have, and then put his "extras block" with blogroll/social shit into a section...makes sense I suppose? and then yeah, that example doesn't have a sidebar. but if mine did with like
  518. # [16:08] <Log1x> "Latest Blogs" "Recent News" or something, would i put each column into an aside? >__<
  519. # [16:08] <Log1x> just trying to completely understand, i see a lot of conflicting shit+updates over time to html5 etc.
  520. # [16:08] <Log1x> sorry
  521. # [16:09] <_shorinji_> I have the same confusions
  522. # [16:09] <_shorinji_> guessing that there are no standard conventions yet
  523. # [16:09] <_shorinji_> not widespread anyway
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  528. # [16:15] <Log1x> Well hopefully: Section for Featured/Banner with Content, Section for Breadcrumb, Section for actual content(article), side bar(aside), and then yeah.., all of that content in a div id called container/wrapper, with approperiate <header>/<footer> & i'm using <header><footer> again for the title of each blog post, title area for each aside section, and then <footer> for my Meta data for each
  529. # [16:15] <Log1x> post......
  530. # [16:15] <Log1x> and i'm really hoping thats correct..
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  532. # [16:17] <Log1x> oh damn, i think maybe i should do my breadcrumb in an actual div since i'll have the breadcrumb on the left, and a facebook like social ordeal on the right and they aren't thematically-related content
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  614. # [18:09] <m00bles> paul_irish: I'd swap $ and $$ =)
  615. # [18:09] * m00bles is now known as Pomax
  616. # [18:09] <paul_irish> Pomax: well
  617. # [18:10] <paul_irish> whatcha need the gEBId shortcut for anyway
  618. # [18:10] <Pomax> mostly because of jquery.
  619. # [18:10] <paul_irish> i can type # just as easy as $
  620. # [18:10] <Pomax> since $ returns an array there, if you don't want to bother with [0], $$ would be easy
  621. # [18:10] <paul_irish> $('#omg')
  622. # [18:10] <paul_irish> wha
  623. # [18:10] <Pomax> yeah I mean more in terms of single vs list/array
  624. # [18:10] <Pomax> $('#totally_agree')
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  626. # [18:10] <Pomax> $$('span') -> $('span')[0]
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  628. # [18:11] <Pomax> rather than $('span') returning one instance, and $$('span') the array of matches
  629. # [18:11] <paul_irish> well
  630. # [18:11] <paul_irish> robcee thought $ returning the single elem is better
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  632. # [18:11] <paul_irish> because who wants to do [0] all the time
  633. # [18:11] <paul_irish> not this guy
  634. # [18:11] <Pomax> neither do I
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  636. # [18:12] <Pomax> but I'd rather $ do the same for browsers and jquery
  637. # [18:12] <paul_irish> wellll you cant use any of the jquery methods anyhow
  638. # [18:12] <Pomax> than $ being "it's almost the same! but no it isn't" =P
  639. # [18:12] <Pomax> I know, I just like consistency
  640. # [18:12] <Pomax> +P
  641. # [18:12] <Pomax> =P even
  642. # [18:12] <paul_irish> well $ is totally consistent with qS
  643. # [18:12] <paul_irish> ha
  644. # [18:12] <paul_irish> basically the usecase that breaks here is someone wants the second `p`
  645. # [18:12] <paul_irish> and has no good hook for it
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  647. # [18:13] <asher^> hey paul_irish, thanks a lot for the videos you did on tooling for web development, i found them really useful
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  718. # [19:30] <diamonds> http://www.webdevout.net/test?0V&raw
  719. # [19:31] <diamonds> ie8: select LIs 2 & 3 then : document.selection.createRange().parentElement().innerHTML
  720. # [19:31] <diamonds> only second LI contents is returned... what gives
  721. # [19:31] <diamonds> html5 cuz contenteditable :|
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  762. # [19:59] <haizum> if im using utf-8 is it ok to use accents in my text
  763. # [19:59] <haizum> or should i still be using &#233; etc.
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  768. # [20:02] <Jon47> haizum: it should be ok to use the multibyte characters but it probably depends a bit on your intended browser support, make sure to test in the old IEs
  769. # [20:02] <haizum> ok
  770. # [20:02] <haizum> the designer before me was using &# codes so thats probably why
  771. # [20:02] <haizum> i just find it really annoying
  772. # [20:03] <haizum> im transcribing everything in french :P
  773. # [20:03] <haizum> lol
  774. # [20:03] <Jon47> hehe, yeah, if that's the language of the document it's crazy to transcode all the extended ascii characters
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  776. # [20:04] <haizum> that's what i've been doing
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  778. # [20:06] <sunbeam> is it a problem to keep something like this in your code (when submitting an ajax form) console.log(xhr.responseText); ?
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  781. # [20:11] <jarek> sunbeam: it's unprofessional to ship code with debug flags enabled
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  783. # [20:11] <sunbeam> yep
  784. # [20:12] <sunbeam> hmm what would be better then?
  785. # [20:12] <sunbeam> This form is submitted and should e-mail
  786. # [20:12] <sunbeam> And when there is an error, it will be a server related problem
  787. # [20:12] <sunbeam> Eg. nothing a user needs to see
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  791. # [20:13] <jarek> sunbeam: I'm not sure if I understand what you mean
  792. # [20:13] <sunbeam> well when there on the php side is an error
  793. # [20:13] <sunbeam> should i send a notice to the screen?
  794. # [20:14] <sunbeam> eg. when the e-mail doesn't send or the db don't insert its nothing the user needs to be aware about but the programmer/admin
  795. # [20:14] <jarek> sunbeam: it depends on what your app does
  796. # [20:14] <sunbeam> submitting a contact form
  797. # [20:15] <jarek> sunbeam: ahh, then you should definitely notify the user that his message was not send
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  799. # [20:15] <sunbeam> ok
  800. # [20:15] <jarek> sunbeam: console.log is not a good way to do this :)
  801. # [20:15] <sunbeam> Message was not sent. Please contact site admin.
  802. # [20:15] <sunbeam> like this ?
  803. # [20:15] <jarek> sunbeam: yeah
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  806. # [20:16] <sunbeam> ok
  807. # [20:16] <sunbeam> thanks
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  809. # [20:17] <jarek> sunbeam: or even better "Server error. Try again later or contact site admin"
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  812. # [20:18] <jarek> I mean "Server error. Message was not sent, try again later or contact site admin"
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  814. # [20:20] <sunbeam> yep
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  847. # [20:41] <diamonds> ok ie experts throw me a bone http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11727120/why-is-textrange-parentelement-returning-the-parent-of-the-final-element-in-my-r
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  849. # [20:41] <diamonds> ray bango where are you
  850. # [20:41] <diamonds> hiding, no doubt!!
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  863. # [21:01] <garciawebdev> good morning
  864. # [21:02] <garciawebdev> does someone remember that service that returned a dummy JSON response to every request for testing AJAX calls?
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