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# [02:05] <haizum> hm my ogv files aren't being recognized in firefox
# [02:05] <haizum> im using <source src="template/videos/interviews/amit/amit-1.ogv" type="video/ogg; codecs='theora, vorbis'">
# [02:05] <haizum> as a fallback
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# [02:07] <myrman> What element do you guys recommend I use to wrap a portfolio piece? Just a regular section?
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# [02:07] <tw2113> <div>
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# [02:13] <myrman> Reading about it on HTML doctor, I think you're right, tw2113. Thank you
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# [02:33] <myrman> When styling the navigation area of a page, is it okay to include the logo inside the nav (before the ul element)?
# [02:33] <myrman> Or should I wrap it all inside a <section id="navigation"></section> (or similarly)
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# [02:43] <tw2113> i'd think <header><img id="logo" /><nav></nav></header> would suffice
# [02:43] <tw2113> or something close to that
# [02:43] <tw2113> ID and class as felt necessary
# [02:46] <haizum> i can't get the html5 video tag to play ogg or webm with firefox
# [02:46] <haizum> i read somewhere that i need to modify my .htaccess file?
# [02:46] <haizum> is this true?
# [02:47] <tw2113> i could believe making sure mimetypes are supported is part of it
# [02:48] <myrman> tw2113: doesn't a header element include at least one h1-h6 element?
# [02:48] <haizum> well i don't have access to my .htaccess file
# [02:49] <haizum> i tried making one and putting it in my root and it didn't work
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# [02:50] <tw2113> haven't checked lately
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# [02:50] <tw2113> but i'm also not afraid to turn the h1 into the logo
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# [02:52] <myrman> Oh, interesting
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# [02:54] <tw2113> my SEOs be damned if that's not good
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# [03:12] <Pomax> "a group of introductory or navigational aids. A header element typically contains the section’s heading (an h1–h6 element or an hgroup element), but can also contain other content, such as a table of contents, a search form, or any relevant logos."
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# [03:17] <myrman> Thank you tw2113 and Pomax
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# [03:23] <myrman> The address element is really confusing me... Can I use it for contact information on my website?
# [03:24] <rking> myrman: http://html5doctor.com/the-address-element/
# [03:24] <myrman> I'm reading that now but it's unclear to me still
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# [03:26] <tw2113> from the spec quote, it's supposed to be used for contact information for the author of the current document
# [03:26] <tw2113> for instance blog post author
# [03:26] <tw2113> if you wanted to post some contact info at the end of the post, you'd use this
# [03:26] <tw2113> but you wouldn't use it for some contact info on the "Contact" page or in the sidebar
# [03:27] <tw2113> say for the company who own's the site
# [03:27] <myrman> Ah alright
# [03:27] <rking> tw2113: I'm seeing that it is for the nearest article element. http://developers.whatwg.org/sections.html#the-address-element
# [03:27] <tw2113> then there you go
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# [04:57] <grantg> heh
# [04:57] <grantg> Anyone else having this problem on 10.8 for chrome? 22.0.1222.0 (Official Build 149137) canary
# [04:57] <grantg> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=119489
# [04:57] <grantg> oops
# [04:58] <grantg> posted my version number first lol
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# [11:30] <ItsMeLenny> say i have a folder of images can i have a dynamic generation using html5, just pulling all the images from the folder, or would i have to use php/cms for that
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# [11:46] <ItsMeLenny> _shorinji_, but can it be done with javascript
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# [12:05] <ItsMeLenny> i think i might rephrase: how do i go about pulling a folder full of images into a gallery on a website, without typing out what each image is
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# [15:43] <Doumie> how do you solve the width problem... how do you get all rows to the same witdh
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# [15:49] <_shorinji_> they're not the exact same width
# [15:49] <Doumie> but the rows are
# [15:49] <Doumie> i know images aren't
# [15:49] <Doumie> but rows are (at least when i look at google image search)
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# [15:50] <_shorinji_> if you have the width of each image then you can see how many fits on each line, and pad the rest
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# [15:50] <_shorinji_> the padding between every image isn't the same
# [15:50] <Doumie> hm
# [15:50] <_shorinji_> or the padding is the same within each row
# [15:50] <_shorinji_> but it must be calculated separately for each row
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# [16:14] <Pomax> Doumie: http://jsfiddle.net/S6wA9/ ?
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# [16:14] <Pomax> can be made better, but as a 'how to make them all fit' illustration.
# [16:14] <Pomax> find out the dimensions that they need to all fit. then wrap and pad for those dimensions
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# [16:25] <Pomax> what's a good way to test whether require.js is being used?
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# [16:28] <jetienne> Pomax: if require !== undefined ?
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# [16:28] <Pomax> quite - didn't realise it added a global requirejs
# [16:28] <Pomax> thanks
# [16:29] <cryptopsy> can i set l/r/u/d arrows so that the user can move focus from one element to anther on my page, like some text boxes, and on change focus have javascript expand the box?
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# [16:33] <Pomax> sure. give your elements a knowledge of who their neighbours are, and bind neighbour.focus() to an onkeydown event handler.
# [16:34] <Pomax> (you will need to be explicit here, because browsers can have a virtually infinite combination of dimensions, so you are now responsible for ensuring that elements are in the right order even if the screen is the 'wrong' size)
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# [16:44] <cryptopsy> so it jumps to the neighbor i defined in the previous element
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# [18:37] <superjoe> is there a better upload widget than valuums file uploader?
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# [18:45] <techrush> i think its too broad of a topic to get any good convos going
# [18:45] <Owner> does anyone know...how you are supposed to 'stream' data to an html5 audio component? i am trying to add data to the element in chunks while its playing, but i get some skipping because each time you add data it apparently pauses and/or restarts from the beginning
# [18:45] <techrush> people are mostly talking in the channels for their specific framework/language thats html5 related imo
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# [19:46] <kaushik_> HI , can anyone tell me any good library for adding styles to html pages ?
# [19:47] <moo-_-> kaushik_: Twitter Bootstrap
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# [19:51] <kaushik_> moo-_-, thanks for that
# [19:51] <kaushik_> looking at it
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# [20:34] <David_Bradbury> bleh
# [20:34] <David_Bradbury> Don't use Bootstrap =/
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# [20:35] <techrush> i tend to agree
# [20:35] <techrush> im probably just bitter though
# [20:35] <techrush> whats your reasoning David_Bradbury ?
# [20:37] <David_Bradbury> Because if someone isn't aware of the pitfalls, they'll likely eff it up and spew non-semantic code all the place. It also bloats your code and teaches people bad practices.
# [20:39] <ericelliott> Can I override the browser language setting in JavaScript?
# [20:39] <ericelliott> I'd love to automate tests for language detection. In order to get visibility, I need to set the browser to a language other than the default (English)
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# [20:40] <rking> ericelliott: What language detection are you currently using?
# [20:41] <rking> ericelliott: It seems interesting to me that you're doing any of the detection on the client-side.
# [20:41] <ericelliott> I'm not using a single solution. I have i18n for string translations, moment.js for date formatting
# [20:41] <rking> i18n.js or something?
# [20:41] <ericelliott> rking: I write single page applications
# [20:41] <ericelliott> using i18next.js
# [20:41] <ericelliott> sorry =)
# [20:42] <ericelliott> I just want to make sure our internationalization can be well represented in our automated test suites. =)
# [20:43] <rking> ericelliott: Looks like you could do i18n.init() with new "opts"
# [20:43] <rking> ericelliott: Such as is done here https://github.com/jamuhl/i18next-node/blob/master/test/i18n.t.spec.js
# [20:44] <ericelliott> rking: yeah, that's not the question I'm asking. What I need to know is how I can tell the browser to report a different language when browser language preferences are detected.
# [20:44] <rking> ericelliott: And for moment.js it looks like http://momentjs.com/ says moment.lang('fr');
# [20:44] <ericelliott> yeah.
# [20:44] <ericelliott> I know those bits. =)
# [20:44] <rking> ericelliott: The arg to those things comes from whatever you tell it to come from.
# [20:45] <ericelliott> rking: No, they detect the language settings of the browser (at least, i18next does, and if moment.js doesn't, then I need to add that capability).
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# [20:47] <ericelliott> oh, looks like I can override navigator.language
# [20:49] <ericelliott> var detectedLanguage = (navigator.language) ? navigator.language : navigator.userLanguage;
# [20:49] <rking> ericelliott: Cool. good hunting.
# [20:49] <ericelliott> Thanks. =)
# [20:51] <ericelliott> Looks like I do need to add language detection for moment.js
# [20:51] <ericelliott> =P
# [20:52] <ericelliott> It seems odd that I can't find a single JS internationalization library that supports numbers, currencies, dates, and strings.
# [20:54] <rking> Seems not-at-all-odd to me. Those are complex issues
# [20:54] <rking> ericelliott: You could be the guy, though. Just make a github repo that has all the others pulled into one thing.
# [20:55] <rking> ericelliott: And naming it would be an easy task, just go back through your search history for all your failed queries, and pick the one that you think most people would be searching on. =)
# [20:56] <rking> But the not-at-all-odd part is that the string localization is very different from date localization. The first is a simple dictionary lookup (and perhaps some kind of interpolation, if it's a fancier implementation), the second is almost always non-trivial. Any time I hear "date" anything, I kind of clench up… it's so historically-bound and nuanced.
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# [21:00] <ericelliott> rking: I know -- that just underscores the necessity of a great library to manage it.
# [21:01] <ericelliott> I'm not the guy to write the libraries. My knowledge of languages is minimal, although I've internationalized several large apps, I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to write/maintain the library that actually does the formatting.
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# [21:02] <rking> ericelliott: You wouldn't have to actually do much. Only find a collection of the libs that do work, then package them together.
# [21:02] <moo-_-> please note that there is popular library called underscore.js so you might not want to use underscore in JS i18n
# [21:03] <rking> It might be beneficial to also add a layer of helper/wrapper stuff, like being able to set the language in one method call.
# [21:03] <rking> moo-_-: Sorry, I'm not sure if I follow?
# [21:04] <moo-_-> ah
# [21:04] <rking> moo-_-: Oh, I getcha. Nah, i18next uses t()
# [21:04] <moo-_-> ok :)
# [21:04] <moo-_-> yes
# [21:04] <moo-_-> exactly
# [21:05] <moo-_-> but I recommend doing it so that you never put any text strings into Javascript if you can avoid it (not possible for large apps) and just stick them in HTML
# [21:05] <rking> I never cared for the C convention of _() to much.
# [21:05] <moo-_-> and then use page template translation tools
# [21:05] <moo-_-> doing i18n one level below JS
# [21:05] <rking> moo-_-: Yeah, that was my first reaction, that it was odd to me to do it on the client-side.
# [21:06] <rking> But, diff'rent arch'tectures for diff'rent folks, I figur'd.
# [21:06] <ericelliott> It's not odd to do it client side when the entire app needs to be able to run stand-alone on the client-side
# [21:06] <rking> ericelliott: Yeah, fair enough.
# [21:06] <ericelliott> which is where a lot of html5 app development is going.
# [21:07] <ericelliott> <-- Author, "Programming JavaScript Applications"
# [21:09] <ericelliott> for some types of apps, that doesn't make a lot of sense, but for productivity apps, that needs to be supported. Hence, there is a real need for robust i18n capabilities that are entirely done on the client.
# [21:09] <rking> ericelliott: Too cool. Actually, I have a lot to learn in that field, I might get your book. For example, I don't have a good feel for client-side storage.
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# [21:09] <ericelliott> I'm writing a library to abstract client-side data i/o and storage
# [21:10] <rking> ericelliott: Coolness. I was dismally unimpressed with Lawnchair.js
# [21:10] <moo-_-> ericelliott: actually we haev a solution where we do JS translation in the phase where JS files are minified
# [21:10] <moo-_-> because rarely you need to cross-load the same JS files between languages
# [21:10] <moo-_-> so it will generate a bundle for Japanese, for English, etc.
# [21:10] <moo-_-> this make the execution of code faster
# [21:10] <rking> I wasted a couple days trying to get it to work for me, and my first hint should've been the weird documentation style, but there was some thing I read in the code that made me go, "Oh, this guy's a noob. That's why it sucks."
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# [21:10] <ericelliott> you write your data to a client-side model, and it stores in localStorage / local db, and optionally syncs to remote services, such as restful APIs, or whatever custom adapter you provide
# [21:10] <ericelliott> kindof like the repository pattern
# [21:10] <rking> ericelliott: Have you looked at Lawnchair?
# [21:11] <ericelliott> so you wouldn't actually use localStorage directly.
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# [21:12] <rking> ericelliott: Yeah, that's the idea behind it.
# [21:12] <rking> I remember what it was that made me drop it. 1 min I'll find the exact code.
# [21:13] <moo-_-> btw if you are doing sync / data oriented application
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# [21:13] <moo-_-> ExtJS has pretty good frameworks for it
# [21:14] <moo-_-> though the license is commercial it is well worth of the price
# [21:14] <ericelliott> I have not seen lawnchair
# [21:14] <moo-_-> and also comes with i18n capabilities
# [21:14] <ericelliott> looks kinda cool.
# [21:14] <rking> https://github.com/brianleroux/lawnchair/blob/master/src/adapters/window-name.js#L44 That
# [21:14] <ericelliott> yeah, looking at it now.
# [21:15] <ericelliott> that looks like a pretty direct competitor to the data library I wrote.
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# [21:15] <rking> So if you compare that file to memory.js you'll find they're just big blocks of copy-and-pasted code with that one thing tweaked. That is not top-grade coding.
# [21:15] <ericelliott> Much further along than mine.
# [21:15] <rking> ericelliott: But it sucks.
# [21:15] <rking> ericelliott: And the front of the API is odd to me. Maybe I've not gotten on board with the "callbacks every-friggin-where" thing, but I don't see the need for quite so many.
# [21:17] <ericelliott> yeah.. they're necessary for lawnchair because it doesn't have an evented API
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# [21:17] <ericelliott> you need to be able to hook into the results of the API calls somehow.
# [21:17] <ericelliott> Mine uses an evented API
# [21:17] <rking> The "parts of speech" thing in lawnchair is also really busted.
# [21:17] <ericelliott> You can listen for the responses (or ignore them) as you chose.
# [21:18] <rking> There's a top-level 'lawnchair()' that I don't know what it is, a noun or verb or what.
# [21:18] <ericelliott> ah
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# [21:18] <ericelliott> the top level lawnchair() is a constructor, it looks like
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# [21:21] <rking> Of what, though? And what are the args?
# [21:22] <rking> It should be clear. "I'm creating a database." "I'm creating a handle to a database." "I'm adding some data to a database." "I'm adding some data to a database that will autovivify if it doesn't already exist."
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# [21:23] <ericelliott> lawnchair() constructs a new data repository, and takes an options object that lets you set the collection name and name for records which will be available in collection iterators.. for example, var ppl = lawnchair({name:'people', record:'person'}, function(people){
# [21:24] <rking> I don't see why it's so hard to do those use cases in a clear manner. Otherwise the idea of an adapter-that-I-don't-have-to-worry-about-DB is valuable.
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# [21:24] <ericelliott> it looks like the name you pass in for record becomes available as a closure variable when you're inside collection iterators.
# [21:25] <rking> I kept giving it the benefit of the doubt, as you are, and wading through the totally-unclear docs like this, http://brian.io/lawnchair/initialization/ …but it turned out the implementation is not that great.
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# [21:27] <rking> ericelliott: Plus I'll be using Phonegap for my project, and they have a lower-level, sqlite-like API that will work fine for me (that is, I don't really care if it's key-value storage of arbitrary objects).
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# [21:31] <rking> This is the Phonegap thing: http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.0.0/phonegap_storage_storage.md.html (Though it has some weaknesses. It's not perfectly documented. For example the "size" paramter of the DB is merely the starting size, not the max size or anything—something I had to read the source to determine.)
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# [21:31] <ericelliott> my library is similar in that calling the top level function will return a new repository. You pass in the name, defaults, schema, and an init function. From there you can set('some.arbitrary.key.depth') or get('something.saved') .. it will broadcast change events when things are changed. Add events which children are added. Remove events when you .remove() a child, etc..
# [21:31] <rking> ericelliott: I guess my point is that you're on a winning idea. If you want a β (or α) tester, please do ping me at rking-wantsadecentclientsidedb@sharpsaw.org
# [21:31] <rking> ericelliott: What is the schema about?
# [21:31] <rking> ericelliott: And do you mind publishing your WIP as a github repo?
# [21:31] <ericelliott> schema is for client-side pre-validation
# [21:31] <ericelliott> it will not set the value if the value pass in fails the schema validation check
# [21:31] <rking> OK, so it's optional?
# [21:31] <ericelliott> Yes, it's optional.
# [21:31] <rking> Sounds right.
# [21:32] <ericelliott> and unimplemented, at the moment.
# [21:32] <rking> Awww shucks.
# [21:32] <ericelliott> It's there because I know I'll need it. =)
# [21:32] <rking> ericelliott: Let's collaborate on it.
# [21:32] <ericelliott> rking: this is in a pretty messy / early state
# [21:33] <ericelliott> not ready for prime time, and not even likely to be useful to you, yet...
# [21:33] <ericelliott> and at the moment it depends on my application framework, Applitude, though I'm sure it could be decoupled without much effort.
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# [21:33] <rking> Really. I was writing "PortableSeatCushion.js" as a competitor to Lawnchair.js (which says it's, "Like Couch DB, but portable, and outside" (e.g. client-side)), and mine was going to be a smaller, more sensible thing than Lawnchair.
# [21:33] <ericelliott> also relies on ES5 -- so you'll need ES5-shim or similar to provide Array.forEach
# [21:33] <ericelliott> that's not a strict requirement in the final version, either.
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# [21:34] <ericelliott> mine is terribly named
# [21:34] <ericelliott> clctr
# [21:34] <rking> A small "collector", I like it.
# [21:34] <ericelliott> short for collector
# [21:35] <ericelliott> yeah
# [21:35] <rking> Nah that works.
# [21:35] <rking> ericelliott: C'mon man, let's do this. This is code I'm working on this week.
# [21:35] <ericelliott> I'm willing to set up a private repo on github and invite you
# [21:35] <rking> Throw up a Github repo of whatever you have (be it a TODO file or a skeleton thing), and I'll start pumping Pull Reqs.
# [21:35] <ericelliott> appologies for applitude
# [21:35] <ericelliott> it's also in an early state
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# [21:35] <ericelliott> though applitude is in production use
# [21:36] <rking> I'll take a look. Surely we can come up with something.
# [21:36] <rking> My gh user is "rking"
# [21:36] <ericelliott> cool.. inviting you now.
# [21:36] <ericelliott> I'll push to github in a moment..
# [21:36] <ericelliott> setting up the github repo
# [21:37] <rking> ericelliott: Awesome.
# [21:37] <ericelliott> this is you?
# [21:37] <ericelliott> https://github.com/rking
# [21:38] <ericelliott> you might want to glance at this dependency
# [21:38] <ericelliott> http://dilvie.github.com/applitude/
# [21:38] <rking> Yep
# [21:38] <ericelliott> feel free to extract it
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# [21:38] <ericelliott> I'd love for clctr to stand on its own
# [21:39] <ericelliott> I'm also currently depending on EventEmitter2 (via applitude) to trigger events, but that is not necessary, as long as we have some way of triggering events.
# [21:39] <ericelliott> maybe we could put an event object on the clctr object, and let the user configure their own event lib
# [21:40] <ericelliott> whatever we decide to do, it needs to use events so we can avoid callback hell
# [21:40] <rking> ericelliott: What are your feelings on CoffeeScript?
# [21:40] <ericelliott> it's pretty, but I'm not converting this to coffeescript
# [21:41] <ericelliott> IMO, coffeescript needs a bit of tooling work and language refinement before it's ready for prime-time... and I'm planning to have clctr in production in the coming weeks.
# [21:42] <ericelliott> I don't think coffeescript will be a seriously viable option for large scale application development for several years.
# [21:42] <rking> Meh. It's just JavaScript.
# [21:42] <ericelliott> no, it's not.
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# [21:42] <rking> If the generated JS is ready for production, the Coffee's ready for production.
# [21:42] <ericelliott> that's why it's called coffeescript. It compiles to JavaScript.
# [21:42] <ericelliott> yeah, that's not really how it works.
# [21:43] <rking> That's cool. I definitely prefer the æsthetics of Coffee, but I'm not strict about it.
# [21:43] <techrush> im not sure the problem that coffeescript is trying to solve other than "i dont want to code in javascript"
# [21:43] <rking> ericelliott: What about this proposal: Unit Tests in Coffee, implementation pure JS?
# [21:43] <rking> techrush: Ever read Strunk & White, Elements of Style?
# [21:44] <ericelliott> I'll break down the "coffeescript is not a large scale application language" argument in my book. For now, it's enough to know that I'm not supporting a coffescript version of this stuff. =)
# [21:44] <techrush> rking, no
# [21:44] <ericelliott> techrush: JavaScript is not pretty.
# [21:44] <ericelliott> CoffeeScript is.
# [21:44] <rking> techrush: It's about English writing style, and one of the banner principles is, "Omit needless words." I think it applies to many levels of programming, and when it comes to syntax, I like to "Omit needless junk."
# [21:45] <ericelliott> That's really the only problem that CoffeeScript solves... at the expense of some of JavaScript's cool features.
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# [21:45] <techrush> ehhh just seems a bit weird....why not just write it in JS besides being vane about how your code looks ?
# [21:45] <techrush> "its not pretty" doesnt work as a reason for a LOT of scenarios
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# [21:46] <ericelliott> rking: I'm sticking to all JS on my projects for the moment, specifically because they all support large scale JS application development, and I'd rather not need to force everybody who collaborates on them to learn coffeescript
# [21:46] <ericelliott> These are JavaScript projects.
# [21:47] <ericelliott> So far I've been writing all the unit tests with QUnit
# [21:47] <ericelliott> which is handy, because it's easy to make that work with testling
# [21:47] <ericelliott> testling.com
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# [21:48] <rking> ericelliott: What "JavaScript cool features"? (I know you said you'll go into it in your book, but I'm curious)
# [21:48] <rking> ericelliott: OK, I can jive with that. No biggie.
# [21:48] <ericelliott> argh
# [21:48] <rking> techrush: To me, what you're saying is like asking, "Yeah, I know you have that street bike, but why would you want to ride it when I have this rusty 1-speed that also gets from point A to B."
# [21:49] <ericelliott> so, turns out, I haven't extracted clctr from my test project, yet.
# [21:49] <rking> techrush: Syntactically, that is.
# [21:49] <ericelliott> so I'm not at all sure this will work for you.
# [21:49] <ericelliott> But you can try grabbing applitude and its dependencies, and then stuffing clctr in the lib dir
# [21:49] <ericelliott> and you should be able to play with it that way
# [21:50] <ericelliott> I'll just post the clctr source to the clctr repo for now
# [21:50] <ericelliott> but it's missing all the supporting libs, there are no docs, and you won't have any example use );
# [21:50] <ericelliott> in other words: good luck. =)
# [21:50] <rking> ericelliott: It's OK. As long as I get time to work on it this week (there's this other, beastly project that steals all my time, it might keep being beastly), I'll find some way to fit in where I can get in.
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# [21:55] <ericelliott> https://github.com/dilvie/clctr
# [21:55] <ericelliott> Like the docs?
# [21:55] <ericelliott> I think they're terrific.
# [21:55] <ericelliott> I'm going to replace all my docs with that.
# [21:57] <ericelliott> expect various bits of it to be severely broken.
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# [21:59] <rking> ericelliott: OK. If I have n00bish trouble getting all the Applitude, etc. pieces going, can I contact you?
# [21:59] <ericelliott> sure
# [21:59] <rking> OK, cool.
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# [21:59] <rking> *handshake*
# [22:00] <ericelliott> I'm pretty sure you can count on the in-memory store to work pretty reliably
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# [22:00] <ericelliott> and maybe the localStorage adapter
# [22:00] <ericelliott> but I don't have unit tests, and I might have broken the latter
# [22:00] <ericelliott> gah, I suck.
# [22:00] <ericelliott> =)
# [22:01] <ericelliott> This is why I like to hold these things until they're somewhat usable. ;)
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# [22:04] <rking> ericelliott: It's cool. I hold none of that against you. I'm just happy that I have a place to focus my efforts rather than throwing them away in the corner of a closed-source chunk.
# [22:07] <ericelliott> rking: I've been thinking of taking a page out of the Backbone.js book and supporting all the underscore collection methods on clctr collections
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# [22:07] <ericelliott> it hasn't been a priority to make that happen, yet.
# [22:07] <ericelliott> just something to keep in mind
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# [22:14] <rking> ericelliott: Smart.
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# [23:47] <kanedank> can anyone help me understand what I'm doing wrong with creating this closure? https://gist.github.com/3230815
# [23:47] <kanedank> I'm just trying to autoincrement the place of the rectangle when I call the constructor
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