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  18. # [00:51] <miketaylr> routerpro: i have some super old code that you could probably dissect and make it do what you want here: http://miketaylr.com/fourohfour.html
  19. # [00:52] <routerpro> thanks ill take a look
  20. # [00:52] <routerpro> i figure out most actually
  21. # [00:52] <routerpro> i just stored the x/y coordinates on mouse down, and on mouse UP to define start and end points of the line
  22. # [00:52] <miketaylr> yeah pretty much
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  26. # [01:00] <SyntheCypher> How do you center an embedded swf in html?
  27. # [01:01] <SyntheCypher> anyone alive?
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  155. # [05:00] <routerpro> mm
  156. # [05:00] <routerpro> can someone help me with a problem
  157. # [05:01] <routerpro> anyone here use kineticJS
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  231. # [07:38] <snuggs> hello
  232. # [07:39] <snuggs> anyone up?
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  234. # [07:45] <binaryfus10nz> sup
  235. # [07:45] <binaryfus10nz> I'm looking for some feedback on proper html5 markup, anyone mind taking a look?
  236. # [07:45] <snuggs> sure i'll take a stab
  237. # [07:45] <binaryfus10nz> http://collabedit.com/h7chf
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  239. # [07:46] <snuggs> this a pastbin?
  240. # [07:46] <binaryfus10nz> ya but
  241. # [07:46] <binaryfus10nz> ill show u the site so u can compare
  242. # [07:48] <binaryfus10nz> its proper to nest sections?
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  273. # [09:03] <binaryfus10nz> so what happens if you use html5shiv and user on older ie doesnt support JS
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  312. # [10:45] <rzr> can you help me to use XmlHttpRequest w/ file:// ?
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  419. # [15:41] <hoolter> can <script> tags be in <a> elements?
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  421. # [15:44] <jetienne> hober: yes
  422. # [15:45] <asher^> why would you want to do that?
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  445. # [16:31] <hoolter> just to make it more readable. the <script>'s entire job is to progresisvley enhance the <a>.
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  451. # [16:46] <routerpro> hi hoolter
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  460. # [17:02] <routerpro> I'm having trouble adding some objects to an array
  461. # [17:04] <routerpro> this is for canvas
  462. # [17:04] <routerpro> normally its just one object, but i need to create multiple, and want to store them in array
  463. # [17:05] <routerpro> nvm ill ask in JS
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  499. # [18:24] <hoolter> hi routerpro
  500. # [18:24] <routerpro> have u worked with kineticJS before?
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  515. # [18:59] <routerpro> i am having a problem with canvas html5
  516. # [19:00] <routerpro> hello anybody
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  565. # [19:46] <Guest7184> hi
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  568. # [19:47] <David_Bradbury> hi
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  590. # [20:00] <routerpro> wow this channel idles a lot
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  609. # [20:19] <dahlfors> idling is the art of mastering irc
  610. # [20:19] <dahlfors> :)
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  615. # [20:21] <xec_> shhh i'm trying to idle here
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  618. # [20:22] <routerpro> :(
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  620. # [20:23] <routerpro> i need a bit of help :(
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  622. # [20:24] <dahlfors> haven't needed to fiddle with canvas myself, so I can't help
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  624. # [20:26] <Benvie> a script is a non-rendered tag
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  630. # [20:32] <David_Bradbury> Ask your question then :p
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  633. # [20:35] <routerpro> its hard to explain
  634. # [20:35] <routerpro> i can show my page so far
  635. # [20:36] <routerpro> i have an object you can drag and it draws a line
  636. # [20:36] <routerpro> but i need to create more than 1
  637. # [20:36] <routerpro>
  638. # [20:36] <routerpro> i can create the objects in an array
  639. # [20:36] <routerpro> but the function that draws the line, i can't figure out how to incorporate the array objects dynamically
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  662. # [21:22] <tinman> heya y all, i got a question. ive learned a handfull of launguages in my day but now i want to pick a few that i will strive in. what i want to do is get itno. ive desided on either actionscript 3+xml (sponcershipos make this a very safe entry,but it appears flash is dieing, and if air will compete much longer remains to be seen) or htmlf+css3+javascript (+whatever else you guys think i should learn)
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  664. # [21:24] <tinman> html will always be around and i do want to do tablet and mobile as well, i figure ill get a few works under my belt and then i can start joining freelancer sites and such
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  673. # [21:35] <routerpro> silence
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  677. # [21:42] <Pomax> tinman: you want to pick a few. learn both.
  678. # [21:42] <Pomax> html+css+js is not "a language", however.
  679. # [21:43] <Pomax> javascript is a language, html+css+js = sounds like full web design to me
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  685. # [21:50] <jarek> tinman: you learn a language to get the job done
  686. # [21:50] <jarek> tinman: we don't know what you are trying to do :P
  687. # [21:50] <routerpro> doesn't matter even if u do if u ask for help nobody replies
  688. # [21:51] <stormshadow> need a little help with @font-face
  689. # [21:51] <tinman> hmmmm... ive gotten all the information i need but one thing, i think. does any one know when the release date for html6 is going to be?
  690. # [21:51] <routerpro> lol
  691. # [21:51] <tinman> im trying ot get itno game development
  692. # [21:51] <jarek> tinman: I guess it will be around 2030
  693. # [21:51] <tinman> ...lovely
  694. # [21:51] <tinman> flash it is :)
  695. # [21:52] <jarek> tinman: HTML5 is a "living standard" now
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  697. # [21:52] <tinman> it may be, but its still to young to have a large marketbase where i need it to be. flash does have it
  698. # [21:53] <tinman> fgl makes things much safer, after i make a bit of money, learn more launguages, depending on the current market
  699. # [21:55] <jarek> what's fgl?
  700. # [21:55] <jarek> Flash GL?
  701. # [21:55] <Velmont> HTML5 doesn't really exist other than a marketing term as of now. HTML is HTML. No version numbers.
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  703. # [21:55] <Velmont> And W3C process is really no good indicator of support.
  704. # [21:56] <Velmont> Even IE10 supports many new HTML features, -- and Opera, Chrome, Firefox and Safari are all updating and implementing loads of stuff during the year.
  705. # [21:56] <tinman> its a place where you can sell your game for initial rights games usually go for from 500 bucks to 1100. some get the upwards of 45000 though. these rights last for a month. and if i were to put a link to the mobile version of the game on whoever buys it (fgl has a little over a 40% sell rate, but if you look there alot of those games are buggsy and incohesive when it comes to art, ill make sure that doesnt happen with mine, within rea
  706. # [21:56] <tinman> son)
  707. # [21:56] <tinman> so fgl = free marketing as well
  708. # [21:56] <Velmont> noone knows what fgl is here
  709. # [21:57] <Velmont> Oh, fgl is the thing you said.
  710. # [21:57] <tinman> i just explained it
  711. # [21:58] <jarek> tinman: if you chose HTML5 you could try selling your games on Chrome Web Store and Mac App Store
  712. # [21:58] <Velmont> I didn't decipher that "its" was supposed to mean "it's". Not snarky, I didn't put a connection.
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  714. # [21:59] <jarek> tinman: is it possible to ship Flash games on App Store? I doubt so
  715. # [21:59] <tinman> is mac apple store inside or ouside the ios sdk?
  716. # [21:59] <tinman> its very possible
  717. # [21:59] <tinman> ive done it already
  718. # [21:59] <Velmont> For games you'd have to make some in-game buy system for browser based games these days.
  719. # [21:59] <jarek> tinman: this is not the case with HTML5 apps (you just need to wrap your app with WebView)
  720. # [21:59] <Velmont> tinman: Anyway, you should probably idle in #bbg if you are interested in browser based games.
  721. # [21:59] <tinman> mobiels may have dropped flash, but they still support air, so i release it under air and it works
  722. # [22:00] <tinman> just takes about an hour to change the nessesary coding (not incuding the changes needed to be made because of the change in hardware)
  723. # [22:00] <Velmont> Air is a web tech runtime, so it runs on HTML, JS and CSS.
  724. # [22:00] <Velmont> It's basically W3C Widgets.
  725. # [22:00] <Velmont> As far as I've seen.
  726. # [22:01] <jarek> Velmont: OSX and iOS are using two different SDKs, but both have WebKit web view
  727. # [22:01] <tinman> but you cant convert html5 to a swf (thtas what flash makes) i know both go on mobile, but only flash can go on fgl
  728. # [22:01] <jarek> tinman: Flash on mobiles is a dead end
  729. # [22:01] <tinman> so i would need to buy both sdks jarek?
  730. # [22:02] <tinman> adobe flash is being dropped, not adobe air
  731. # [22:02] <jarek> tinman: yeah, you would need to sign up for two developer programs
  732. # [22:02] <tinman> im releaseing adobe air to mobiles, adobe flash to web browsers
  733. # [22:03] <Velmont> I don't even have flash on any of my computers. Just don't need it.
  734. # [22:03] <tinman> both can be made from flash cs5.5 ide if thats what your saying, its moreso that it makes 2 different formats
  735. # [22:03] <jarek> tinman: adobe is migrating their toolset to HTML5 slowly
  736. # [22:03] <jarek> tinman: they have recently started contributing to WebKit project
  737. # [22:04] <jarek> tinman: they also started Edge project
  738. # [22:04] <tinman> where did you hear this?
  739. # [22:04] <Velmont> Hear? They are *everywhere*.
  740. # [22:04] <jarek> there is also: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/
  741. # [22:04] <tinman> edge project?
  742. # [22:04] <Velmont> They're hiring web tech people like crazy.
  743. # [22:04] <Velmont> And they organized "test the web forward".
  744. # [22:04] <Velmont> And they are very very much into the CSS working group working on regions and exclusions.
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  746. # [22:05] <Velmont> And they have their own webkit builds with experimental support for that stuff.
  747. # [22:05] <jarek> another HTML5 project by Adobe: https://github.com/adobe/brackets/
  748. # [22:05] <Velmont> Although I (and quite a few others) prefer other solutions, -- they are definately heavily heavily into HTML.
  749. # [22:06] <Velmont> (other than their regions and exclusions thingy, that is).
  750. # [22:06] <jarek> this is pretty exciting time
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  752. # [22:06] <jarek> anyone can compete with Adobe because the technology is open and there is no monopoly
  753. # [22:06] <Velmont> Like e.g. overflow: repeat, and paged overflow and things like that.
  754. # [22:06] <tinman> where did you hear about adobe dropping flash?
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  756. # [22:07] <jarek> tinman: they can't state this officially
  757. # [22:07] <jarek> tinman: Flash is going to be supported for many years
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  759. # [22:07] <tinman> i know, it would be bad marketing, im saying what sources do you have?
  760. # [22:07] <jarek> tinman: but I doubt they will be putting a lot of money into it
  761. # [22:07] <Velmont> They dropped Flash on Linux. They dropped Flash on mobile.
  762. # [22:08] <jarek> because the whole market is shifting to HTML5
  763. # [22:08] <tinman> they made air for mobile, they dont need flash for mobile any more
  764. # [22:08] <tinman> and linux holds maybe 2% of the market
  765. # [22:08] <Velmont> They are concentrating so extremely much on web technologies and are hiring all the people, so yea, they're in for it.
  766. # [22:08] <tinman> not including google products
  767. # [22:08] <Velmont> tinman: 2% of the market is *HUUUUUUGE*.
  768. # [22:09] <grantg> That's what she said
  769. # [22:09] <Velmont> Translates to literally many hundreds of millions of users.
  770. # [22:09] <tinman> not when that 2% is used to opensource freeware...
  771. # [22:09] <jarek> open source is not freeware
  772. # [22:09] <Velmont> tinman: And do you even know what Adobe Air is?
  773. # [22:09] <jarek> but you are right, Linux users don't buy apps
  774. # [22:09] <Velmont> tinman: Because it's HTML, JS and CSS.
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  776. # [22:10] <tinman> its as3 as well
  777. # [22:10] <jarek> Velmont: yeah, it's transitional technology
  778. # [22:11] <Velmont> grantg: Interested in me, or what? :P
  779. # [22:12] <tinman> i would go to html/css/js in a hurry if i could convert them to swfs... and how do you people deal with all that audio crap with some sites only accepting ogg and others wav...
  780. # [22:12] <grantg> I do an occasional whois of all users
  781. # [22:12] <Velmont> grantg: I won't see whois in my console, but you send CTCP version as well ;]
  782. # [22:13] <grantg> Velmont: The whole shebang
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  784. # [22:13] <cluster24> Because Velmont, this is IRC
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  786. # [22:14] <Velmont> grantg, cluster24: You're looking for duplicates? :P
  787. # [22:15] <grantg> Nah, just messing with you. >:D
  788. # [22:15] <cluster24> Nah, just messing with you. >:D
  789. # [22:15] <tinman> im going to do more research on this matter... but if i do deside to go with down html/js/css rout, would there be anotehr launguage you suggest that i learn (primarily game development and a few pointless fun apps for computer and mobile). are there and ides or books you guys would recomend that i read as well?
  790. # [22:15] <Velmont> grantg, cluster24: You both have same IP :]
  791. # [22:15] <grantg> no shit
  792. # [22:15] <cluster24> no shit
  793. # [22:15] <tinman> no shit
  794. # [22:16] <Velmont> no shit
  795. # [22:16] <tinman> theres 3 of them now!!!!
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  798. # [22:16] <Velmont> tinman: canvas. -- go to #bbg
  799. # [22:16] <grantg> There's an over 9000 joke in here somehwere
  800. # [22:16] <Velmont> Or JINX!
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  802. # [22:16] <tinman> thank ya, ima go out for a smoke before i continue on with this though...
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