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  1. # Session Start: Mon Aug 20 00:00:00 2012
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  6. # [00:03] <bolosaur> http://youtu.be/MX9iu5V9CiA
  7. # [00:03] <bolosaur> :)
  8. # [00:03] <bolosaur> HTML5 game we're making.
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  32. # [01:11] <ryanseddon> bolosaur: nice looking pretty awesome
  33. # [01:11] <bolosaur> thanks mate :D
  34. # [01:12] <ryanseddon> bolosaur: when can i play it
  35. # [01:12] <bolosaur> Heh, we're hoping to get something playable out by 12/12/12. :P
  36. # [01:13] <bolosaur> that was originally the deadline of the whole game, but now im not so sure ;D
  37. # [01:13] <bolosaur> but feel free to subscribe to us on any of our social networking profiles to keep yourself updated
  38. # [01:13] <bolosaur> we'll be sure to post some more stuff as soon as we finish it :D
  39. # [01:14] <ryanseddon> you should really get at least that video up on your site
  40. # [01:14] <ryanseddon> plus like an email subscription
  41. # [01:14] <ryanseddon> so you can spam me when it's out
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  43. # [01:17] <bolosaur> oh
  44. # [01:17] <bolosaur> thats a good idea actually
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  46. # [01:17] <bolosaur> ill be sure to start a newsletter
  47. # [01:18] <bolosaur> im gonna try to get a site up right now btw
  48. # [01:18] <bolosaur> cheers mate :D
  49. # [01:20] <laszlokorte> hey, any webkit/chrome performance expert around?
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  94. # [02:08] <bolosaur> ryanseddon: Done. ;D
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  96. # [02:08] <bolosaur> http://astrojone.com/
  97. # [02:08] <bolosaur> We'll spruce up the site later. :)
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  113. # [02:35] <Richhh> any Windows text editor thatll automatically write the closing tag of some highlighted text?
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  126. # [02:59] <Richhh> anybody using dvorak layout?
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  131. # [03:09] <themiddleman> I want to set a css width that uses calc from javascript, how can I detect which (if any) prefix to use?
  132. # [03:11] <themiddleman> People don't usually need to detect it since they just define a fallback property before the calc one :/
  133. # [03:14] <themiddleman> I will loose hacker cred for updating on window resize
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  136. # [03:27] <cryptopsy> http://i.imgur.com/88AA5.jpg
  137. # [03:27] <cryptopsy> oops
  138. # [03:27] <themiddleman> cryptopsy: lol, awesome
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  141. # [03:34] <themiddleman> okay, I made a calc detection function, any critiques? https://gist.github.com/3399053
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  150. # [03:53] <Wildbat> Hi All, is there a way to change IE from Quirk mode to Standard mode via JS or inside body of HTML, Thanks!
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  164. # [04:26] <tw2113> once you showed up in my github stream with the same gist
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  193. # [05:58] <ryanseddon> themiddleman: jQuery 1.8 has built in support for prefixing css properties or if you don't want jQuery Modernizr.prefixed() will help you out
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  195. # [06:00] <vojto> Hey there, is there currently any API that lets you post notifications when your website is not opened?
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  209. # [06:45] <wmage> hemanth: yeah, while the window with the app is closed...
  210. # [06:45] <wmage> I think easier will be to hack a windows app for the purpose
  211. # [06:45] <wmage> and have people install it
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  218. # [06:53] <hemanth> wmage, as in the user in on your page or not?
  219. # [06:53] <wmage> hemanth: not on my page
  220. # [06:53] <hemanth> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/Using_the_Page_Visibility_API
  221. # [06:53] <hemanth> ??
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  547. # [16:20] <zspencer> Anyone know that website where you can put some javascript and it will do performance evaluations for you?
  548. # [16:21] <laszlokorte_> http://jsperf.com/ ?
  549. # [16:21] <zspencer> That… That was too obvious. I am fail
  550. # [16:21] <zspencer> thank you
  551. # [16:23] <laszlokorte_> any chrome-dev-tools expert around?
  552. # [16:23] <zspencer> Less of an expert, more of a sexpert. But what's your Q?
  553. # [16:24] <laszlokorte_> I need a way to track down those ups and downs in the com-node-count http://media.laszlokorte.de/uploads/717/download?clear_password=perf
  554. # [16:25] <zspencer> And sampling for a shorter period of time isn't enough?
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  556. # [16:25] <zspencer> Or do you mean programmatically track?
  557. # [16:26] <zspencer> Right clicking will let you export
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  559. # [16:26] <laszlokorte_> of cause this is possible, but I would like getting to any line of code which is responsible for it
  560. # [16:26] <zspencer> ahh so you want to figure out *why* the doom's being modified...
  561. # [16:27] <zspencer> DOM*
  562. # [16:27] <laszlokorte_> yes
  563. # [16:27] <zspencer> You could insert a break on dom modification
  564. # [16:27] <zspencer> breakpooint
  565. # [16:28] <laszlokorte_> I know the application really well and what generally happens is that rows are moved from one table to another. so there are dom operations that happen. but there should not be any newly created dom nodes
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  567. # [16:29] <zspencer> Well, technically I think moving a dom element removes and re inserts it
  568. # [16:29] <laszlokorte_> and according to the timeline the nodes disappear right in the moment in which they are created no matter how far i zoom in
  569. # [16:30] <zspencer> so if you're moving a parent or a large number of records it would say "oops! now you have none!" and then "Oh! Here they are again!"
  570. # [16:31] <laszlokorte_> ok that makes sense, thank you
  571. # [16:31] <zspencer> Turnabouts fair play
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  574. # [16:31] <laszlokorte_> Then I might ask another question: how to figure out what _excacly_ causes the high layout time: http://media.laszlokorte.de/uploads/715/download?clear_password=perf
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  576. # [16:32] <zspencer> I'd need to know more about the CSS for that.
  577. # [16:32] <zspencer> Are you manipulating a table?
  578. # [16:32] <laszlokorte_> yes
  579. # [16:32] <zspencer> So, tables are *really* slow
  580. # [16:32] <laszlokorte_> I redraw the whole table each frame
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  582. # [16:33] <zspencer> every time you modify the elements in a table it forces a full redraw
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  584. # [16:33] <zspencer> and because it's a table, every single element is dependent on the position of every other element
  585. # [16:33] <zspencer> so all the CSS has to be applied over and over again.
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  587. # [16:34] <laszlokorte_> hm ok, i already set the layout-mode to fixed-table
  588. # [16:34] <zspencer> I don't know if that will help or not. Sorry :/
  589. # [16:37] <laszlokorte_> Ok, thank you anyway
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  591. # [16:40] <laszlokorte_> What I would like to find is a single css-selector or a style like a special box-shadow which doubles the layout-time. But I do not know how the timeline or any similar tool helps me with it :D every critical spot the timeline and the profiler told me are already optimized as hell but I do not get the layout-time up to 60fps...
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  631. # [17:43] <sunbeam> Hi, I'm looking for a proper calendar where dates can be selected (have a class) from being unavailable.
  632. # [17:44] <zspencer> Like, using jQuery?
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  648. # [17:58] <thatryan> anyone know who may be hiring front-end devs...? bay area ca?
  649. # [17:58] <asher^> pretty much everyone from what i hear
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  651. # [17:59] <zspencer> Hire ALL the developers
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  654. # [18:02] <thatryan> lol
  655. # [18:02] <thatryan> ALL of them!?
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  881. # [22:22] <haizum_> i don't see any option to do this in the crappy ie7 developer toolbar
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