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  1. # Session Start: Thu Aug 23 00:00:00 2012
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  3. # [00:00] <hellangel> gchristensen, i dont see any reason not to use your example in the first line
  4. # [00:01] <gchristensen> so I'm making a resume, and was going ot use an ordered list for my job history.
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  6. # [00:02] <hellangel> some people might say its not semantically correct, cause tags like headers should not be in a list (thats their reason), but it can make sense and ive done it before
  7. # [00:03] <gchristensen> okay
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  10. # [00:04] <hellangel> on the other hand, if you use somethin like <div class="group"><div class="element">...</div><div class="element">...</div></div>, people would cry "this is listing content so it should be in a list"
  11. # [00:04] <hellangel> so if the validator is fine with it, use it :P
  12. # [00:04] <gchristensen> cool :) thank you hellangel
  13. # [00:05] <hellangel> youre welcome :)
  14. # [00:05] <hellangel> depending on what youre doing, an definitionlist might be considered
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  98. # [02:33] <Vitrify> hey guys
  99. # [02:33] <Vitrify> I have a super simple issue. totally novice i'm rusty.
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  108. # [02:44] <vamp774> Vitrify: whats up
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  110. # [02:45] <Vitrify> vamp
  111. # [02:46] <vamp774> whats the problem?
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  115. # [02:47] <Vitrify> vamp774: ok i've done this before with jscript i know it works. i'm using divs with css (inline css) i want a top div for navi, mid div for content loading, bottom div for contact info.... I'm just having issues loading the content in the 'dcontent' div and position them
  116. # [02:48] <Vitrify> with jscript = without jscript
  117. # [02:48] <vamp774> Div is like the 1 tag im not as familiar with. I mainly organize w/ tables. I am familiar w/ css however.
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  121. # [02:49] <vamp774> I always do my nav bars with tables
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  124. # [02:49] <kalaker> Nav bars with tables? Why not a styled <ul>?
  125. # [02:50] <Vitrify> i sent you the small ammount of code i've come up with so far. can you tell me how to position it exactly up in the corner. flush and all the way across with a height of 20px
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  127. # [02:51] <vamp774> vit: reading it
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  130. # [02:53] <vamp774> and you want it top left?
  131. # [02:54] <Vitrify> yes sir
  132. # [02:54] <Vitrify> flush
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  138. # [02:54] <onats> hello all, i have a question regarding the file api
  139. # [02:55] <vamp774> you may need to specify position: absolute/relative
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  141. # [02:57] <Vitrify> ok absolute totally makes it look like the li items are in the other div.
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  143. # [02:57] <Vitrify> but it did place it flush.
  144. # [02:57] <vamp774> not familiar w/ flush
  145. # [02:58] <Vitrify> you know... line up 2 pieces of paper MAKE SURE THE EDGE IS FLUSH
  146. # [02:58] <Vitrify> ??
  147. # [02:58] <Butt3rfly> Vitrify pastebin it
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  151. # [02:58] <Vitrify> Butt3rfly: i would if i just didn't start this back up 2 hours ago lol
  152. # [02:58] <Vitrify> i don't even have apache installed yet
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  154. # [03:01] <Butt3rfly> Vitrify, upload your code to http://pastebin.com and i will look at it for you
  155. # [03:01] <Butt3rfly> paste me the link it give you
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  157. # [03:04] <Vitrify> ok one sec i had to finish the framework of this super duper simple thing :-D
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  159. # [03:05] <Butt3rfly> dont rush
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  161. # [03:05] <Vitrify> http://pastebin.com/9BK9THtz
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  163. # [03:06] <Vitrify> butt3rfly: all i want to do... is make the top div flush with the corners of the browser. the middle div loads the pages.. and the bottom div just sits at the bottom in contrast to the top div.... I think i'm missing a table???
  164. # [03:07] <Butt3rfly> no need for a table
  165. # [03:07] <Vitrify> butte3rfly: you know how many i've helped in #gentoo ;-)
  166. # [03:07] <Vitrify> back in the day
  167. # [03:08] <Butt3rfly> no that wasn't me
  168. # [03:09] <Vitrify> i was just saying
  169. # [03:09] <Vitrify> all the help i've given out
  170. # [03:09] <Vitrify> it's nice to get it back
  171. # [03:13] <Vitrify> butt3rfly: you got my pastebin link right
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  175. # [03:20] <vamp774> Vitrify: I'm kinda rusty but when in doubt check out http://www.w3schools.com/Css/
  176. # [03:20] <vamp774> Sorry I can't be of more help i tried :)
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  183. # [03:27] <Butt3rfly> http://pastebin.com/VCad7KrY
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  186. # [03:29] <Vitrify> butt3rfly: let me give that a run
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  188. # [03:33] <Vitrify> Butt3rfly: that did etend the divs to the left and right edges.. now i need the top and bottom divs to be flush with the vertical edges.
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  190. # [03:34] <Butt3rfly> i would have thought that did make it sit flush, but it is late and i'm tired and i didn't test...
  191. # [03:34] <Vitrify> well thank you for your time
  192. # [03:34] <Vitrify> i appreciate it
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  197. # [03:37] <Butt3rfly> vetrify try adding margin-top:0 to the 'dtop' section of the css?
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  306. # [06:34] <thatryan> just made coffee, so oh yes :)
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  310. # [06:38] <thatryan> boo you ff
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  312. # [06:38] <tw2113> you misspelled chrome :D
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  314. # [06:40] <thatryan> really?
  315. # [06:40] <thatryan> ha fail
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  434. # [10:24] <khurram> hi guyz i need some help for <audio> not playing ?
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  436. # [10:26] <khurram> how to get the dot ogg for my mp3 ?
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  442. # [10:29] <andrewjbaker> khurram: You'll need to convert it, beforehand.
  443. # [10:30] <khurram> andrewjbaker: how do i do this for all the mp3 i am receivingh randomly ?
  444. # [10:30] <andrewjbaker> Using something like: http://lame.sourceforge.net/
  445. # [10:30] <andrewjbaker> :-s
  446. # [10:30] <andrewjbaker> Where are you receiving them from?
  447. # [10:30] <andrewjbaker> Artists?
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  451. # [10:31] <khurram> andrewjbaker: i am receiving them from Asterisk server
  452. # [10:32] <khurram> the file is without extention , i have tested it by adding .wav and .mp3 and it works fine locally
  453. # [10:32] <andrewjbaker> Just changing the filename won't be sufficient for use w/ the audio element. You'll need to re-encode if you want to use .ogg files.
  454. # [10:33] <khurram> use w/ ?
  455. # [10:34] <khurram> so i can not play mp3 without having another version of the same.mp3 in same.ogg ? right
  456. # [10:34] <andrewjbaker> *for use with the...
  457. # [10:34] <andrewjbaker> Hmm... it depends on what your browser supports.
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  459. # [10:35] <andrewjbaker> In addition to that, the actual audio format selected is dependent on the sequence in which source elements are listed within the audio element.
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  461. # [10:36] <khurram> andrewjbaker: i am using audiojs.js library but get error messages in console some times file not found ./ some times type=audo/mpeg not supported in Firefox and Chrome , The player does show up and then hides and i see red circle of cross showing Error
  462. # [10:37] <andrewjbaker> The audio parts of this page should give you the info you need: http://diveintohtml5.info/video.html
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  491. # [11:19] <khurram> andrewjbaker: thanks
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  493. # [11:19] <andrewjbaker> khurram: Sorry, mate. My connection got severed, I think.
  494. # [11:19] <andrewjbaker> You're welcome.
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  619. # [14:37] <msk> My youtube videos are not playing in iphone and some of the mobile devices. so I need to embed the HTML5.
  620. # [14:37] <msk> please advice me how to do that
  621. # [14:37] <hellangel> msk, http://www.youtube.com/html5
  622. # [14:39] <msk> Hellangel:please help me
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  627. # [14:39] <hellangel> msk, read
  628. # [14:40] <hellangel> you want to embed youtube stuff into your website, and on your iphone, its not recognized as a youtube video?
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  666. # [15:42] <hemanth2> can any one help me pointing out the issue with this flex box? http://h3manth.com/notes/gym/index.html
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  695. # [16:38] <wroathe> Hey all... For some reason ie8 is taking the liberty of closing my <header> and <section> tags early. I wind up with the contents of those tags on the outside because the markup looks like <header /><nav></nav><a id="logo"></a>
  696. # [16:38] <wroathe> Any idea why?
  697. # [16:40] <moo-_-> IE8 does not support HTML5 is probably the answer, but not the answer you want
  698. # [16:40] <moo-_-> you are doing something which is valid along HTML5 parsing rules, but not IE parsing rules
  699. # [16:41] * moo-_- feels people should not be entitled complain about old IEs because they do not support HTML5 and there is nothing we really can do about it
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  702. # [16:43] <wroathe> I'm not complaining and I have had other websites render correctly before with html5 tags
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  705. # [16:44] <jarek> Hi
  706. # [16:44] <jarek> is there an easy way to check whether element can have given attribute?
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  711. # [16:49] <Jon47> jarek: you could try feature testing - add the attribute and then check if the element indeed does have the attribute set?
  712. # [16:50] <Jon47> but I think in terms of the DOM any element can have any attribute, though it may be invalid HTML5...
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  714. # [16:51] <jarek> Jon47: on Chrome I'm able to set and get any attribute, even non-standard ones
  715. # [16:51] <Jon47> yeh.. i think it's the same in any browser
  716. # [16:51] <Jon47> you just want to know what's valid according to your doctype?
  717. # [16:52] <jarek> I need to e.g. check which elements can have 'transform' attribute or 'a' attribute
  718. # [16:52] <jarek> so that I could display proper context menu when user clicks on element
  719. # [16:53] <jarek> I guess I will have to convert this whole table into JSON: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/attindex.html
  720. # [16:53] <jarek> and then query it manually :/
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  951. # [20:55] <edupoch> hey there! does anyone know where I can find the <body> html specification?
  952. # [20:56] <edupoch> I'm looking for something that could explain its horizontal behaviour
  953. # [20:57] <hober> edupoch: the <body> element is specced here: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/sections.html#the-body-element
  954. # [20:57] <hober> edupoch: what do you mean by "its horizontal behavior"?
  955. # [20:58] <edupoch> http://jsfiddle.net/7cS2R/
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  957. # [20:59] <edupoch> I'm not able to expand the <body> width as the blue div is doing in my jsfiddle
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  960. # [21:00] <edupoch> I'm trying to get a fixed height and variable width body
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  963. # [21:00] <edupoch> with a variable width div
  964. # [21:01] <hober> maybe you're being surprised by the way some of <body>'s css properties get propagated to the ICB?
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  966. # [21:02] <edupoch> what does 'ICB' stand for?
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  970. # [21:03] <hober> initial containing block
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  974. # [21:05] <edupoch> mmm, I'm not sure I understand your question
  975. # [21:05] <edupoch> do you mean that there is a mistake in the way things are being propagated to the body?
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  981. # [21:10] <edupoch> hober: with 'there is a mistake' I mean 'I made a mistake'
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  988. # [21:22] <edupoch> hober: is it possible to expand the body width using 'float:left' fixed-width divs?
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  1001. # [21:37] <edupoch> I think this jsfiddle is more accurate: http://jsfiddle.net/7cS2R/4/
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  1037. # [22:18] <zimsun> hello. i have a main loop running for drawing on a html5 canvas element and dispatching user input using setInterval(func, 50); e.g. to move a rectangle using arrow keys; now i would like to add further animations independent of the main loop; what is the best/recommended to do this? working with the main loop's time variables? constantly updating potential animation objects though not required 99% of the time? any combination of setInterval
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  1047. # [22:34] <David_Bradbury> zimsun: I would first recommend using requestAnimationFrame (http://paulirish.com/2011/requestanimationframe-for-smart-animating/) - Then set up a draw function that calls the various parts of the animation and calculates those for every frame
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  1049. # [22:35] <David_Bradbury> Also, paul_irish - I've noticed your site has been loading rather slowly lately and occasionally having some downtime, in case you aren't aware :)
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  1057. # [22:42] <zimsun> 'rather slowly', i can confirm that
  1058. # [22:43] <zimsun> well, according to this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.requestAnimationFrame requestAnimationFrame() it is still not 'save' to use yet
  1059. # [22:44] <zimsun> that's why i did avoid it so far (and i think it is avoidable, isn't it?)
  1060. # [22:44] <David_Bradbury> That's why you use the polyfill on the site I linked to :) To make it safe
  1061. # [22:44] <zimsun> i admit, i didn't read yet ;)
  1062. # [22:45] <David_Bradbury> Basically, it provides a fallback if the browser doesn't support it
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  1064. # [22:46] <zimsun> yeah, but the whole thing *is* doable without, my code is running perfectly, but it needs a cascade of functions to pass through state (main drawback: constant updating)
  1065. # [22:47] <zimsun> (the canvas api is readable, but horribly uncomfortable - especially transformations)
  1066. # [22:47] <zimsun> but let me read the irish text first
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  1072. # [22:57] <zimsun> ok, well, actually the irish solution http://jsfiddle.net/paul/XQpzU/2/light/ only uses requestAnimatinFrame() instead of setInterval(); still any animation is running in the main loop
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  1078. # [23:00] <zimsun> i have two different use cases: 1) 'one-time' animations for objects that are animated constantly/occasionally in the main draw function and all funcs used there(e.g. a player bouncing off a wall); 2) 'one-time' animations for new objects (e.g. a loading animation); if there are any further best practices, let me know
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  1086. # [23:03] <zimsun> David_Bradbury: thanks for the heads-up anyway!
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  1098. # [23:13] <zimsun> ok, the problem just solved itself; i need a complete abstraction for 'one-time' animations anyway for time-scaling (enabling short/long animations of the same object movement); this definetly includes abstracting all main loop independend animations; to be honest: canvas starts to feel low-level more and more
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