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  250. # [06:12] <thatryan> anyone ever built a "wizard" type web app? small scale, wondering best approach...
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  258. # [06:28] <hemanth> thatryan, MVP
  259. # [06:28] <thatryan> Most valuable Player?
  260. # [06:28] <thatryan> ;)
  261. # [06:29] <dr0id> mmm
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  277. # [06:44] <thatryan> no really, what is MVP you speak of
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  289. # [06:54] <cryptops1> what's the fastest batch validator for html4/5 ?
  290. # [06:54] <cryptops1> need a unix command line tool got 1000s of web pages
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  298. # [07:11] <hemanth> thatryan, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1102215/mvp-pattern-with-javascript-framework
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  300. # [07:12] <hemanth> cryptops1,http://tidy.sourceforge.net/
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  304. # [07:18] <cryptops1> project's dead
  305. # [07:18] <cryptops1> 2008 last update
  306. # [07:19] <cryptops1> what in the fuck?
  307. # [07:19] <cryptops1> google random first hit = solution to all my problems
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  310. # [07:20] <hemanth> cryptopsy, it's not dead, it's matured
  311. # [07:20] <hemanth> cryptopsy, anyway, check http://about.validator.nu/html5check.py
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  313. # [07:23] <cryptopsy> no mention of html5
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  320. # [07:35] <thatryan> hemanth: thank you
  321. # [07:35] <hemanth> hmm
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  323. # [07:39] <paul_irish> moo-_-: i think public-webapps mailing list.
  324. # [07:40] <dr0id> hey paul_irish
  325. # [07:40] <paul_irish> sup
  326. # [07:40] <paul_irish> bot-t: ?g lazyweb validator html5 @ cryptopsy
  327. # [07:40] <bot-t> paul_irish, Couldn't find "?g lazyweb validator html5" in jQuery Docs.
  328. # [07:40] <paul_irish> g lazyweb validator html5 @ cryptopsy
  329. # [07:40] <paul_irish> ?g lazyweb validator html5 @ cryptopsy
  330. # [07:40] <bot-t> cryptopsy, Issue #18: improve/develop the HTML Validator with the W3C · h5bp ... - https://github.com/h5bp/lazyweb-requests/issues/18
  331. # [07:40] <paul_irish> SOMETHING LIKE THAT
  332. # [07:40] <paul_irish> but not.
  333. # [07:41] <cryptopsy> does w3.org web validator validate h5 ?
  334. # [07:42] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: best info in here: https://github.com/h5bp/lazyweb-requests/issues/75
  335. # [07:42] <paul_irish> ah wait
  336. # [07:42] <paul_irish> you want straight up validation
  337. # [07:43] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: https://github.com/w3c/validator.nu-standalone
  338. # [07:43] <paul_irish> thats what you want
  339. # [07:43] <paul_irish> and yes its validation is up to date with the spec.
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  341. # [07:44] <paul_irish> cryptopsy: http://about.validator.nu/#alt-input
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  343. # [07:44] <hemanth> is it THE paul_irish!
  344. # [07:45] <dr0id> no
  345. # [07:45] <hemanth> heh heh
  346. # [07:46] <dr0id> paul_irish: do you remember the days we used to talk nonsense in #jquery ? you became quiet all of asudden ;D
  347. # [07:46] <dr0id> so did I slowly
  348. # [07:46] <hemanth> any ways if it is, i would love to share my site with people who have inspried me : http://h3manth.com :)
  349. # [07:47] <hemanth> people become quiet, when they get busy? dr0id
  350. # [07:47] <dr0id> nice hemanth
  351. # [07:47] <dr0id> right
  352. # [07:47] <hemanth> dr0id, thanks :)
  353. # [07:47] <hemanth> asked cause, I have seen many getting quiet all of a sudden
  354. # [07:47] <hemanth> Remy was one of them :)
  355. # [07:47] <paul_irish> hemanth: whats up man
  356. # [07:47] <dr0id> never seen him talk
  357. # [07:47] <dr0id> paul_irish: you no remember me ?!!?! :(
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  359. # [07:48] <paul_irish> dr0id: course i do! i've just met hemanth IRL. :p
  360. # [07:48] <dr0id> oh cool, where?
  361. # [07:48] <paul_irish> dr0id: yes i spent like 4 years active daily in #jquery
  362. # [07:48] <paul_irish> but have since dropped it
  363. # [07:48] <paul_irish> as of ~2 yrs ago
  364. # [07:48] <hemanth> paul_irish, try to produce sounds of certain frequnecy with web RTC to make clasicall music :)
  365. # [07:49] <paul_irish> hemanth: remy is busy on his pinboard and tumblr
  366. # [07:49] <hemanth> /try/trying I meant
  367. # [07:49] <paul_irish> just not so much on his main blog
  368. # [07:49] <dr0id> remy works for those ?
  369. # [07:49] <hemanth> oh ho
  370. # [07:49] <paul_irish> dr0id: wat
  371. # [07:50] <dr0id> nvm heh
  372. # [07:51] <paul_irish> hemanth: the crossOrigin attribute is pretty tight
  373. # [07:51] <paul_irish> though. just adding it doesnt mean you'll get it back with CORS headers
  374. # [07:51] <paul_irish> the server has to support it
  375. # [07:51] <paul_irish> but this lets the browser set a request header saying PLZ PLZ CORS PLZ
  376. # [07:52] <paul_irish> flickr and picasa support this though.
  377. # [07:52] <paul_irish> and html5 boilerplate htaccess :)
  378. # [07:52] <hemanth> ya :{ have mentioned that as well, web security matters a lot ...if at all JS have something like CLI curl :D
  379. # [07:52] <dr0id> can you tell those mozilla guys to start using webkit ?!!
  380. # [07:52] <hemanth> htaccess FTW! It has helped me a lot to hack around, as I'm on shared hosting ;)
  381. # [07:53] <hemanth> when will that day come, when all the browser use the same standards :( [ Hope Ill be alive]
  382. # [07:53] <paul_irish> heh
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  384. # [07:56] <hemanth> paul_irish, http://h3manth.com/content/my-google-interview-devnull was me failing to make it into Google
  385. # [07:57] <paul_irish> just read it :)
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  388. # [07:58] <hemanth> paul_irish, :)
  389. # [07:58] * hemanth had a plan to do online course, before codeschool http://www.opencode.in/ but failed badly ...
  390. # [08:00] <hemanth> If IP is really P, let them pay taxes :D
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  392. # [08:03] <hemanth> for teaching more than passion, detication is need, codeschool++
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  469. # [09:48] <[AD]Turbo> hi there
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  532. # [10:57] <c_nick> I want to know the advantage of using HTML5 over SilerLight ?
  533. # [10:58] <_shorinji_> you will have more friends
  534. # [10:58] <c_nick> as in ?
  535. # [10:58] <c_nick> Why is silver light bad?
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  537. # [10:59] <_shorinji_> think ppl regard it as basically a clone of flash, with all the bad sides of flash
  538. # [10:59] <_shorinji_> being black box, vendor locked
  539. # [10:59] <_shorinji_> binary
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  541. # [10:59] <c_nick> but HTML5 is considered to be massively CPU intensive
  542. # [11:00] <_shorinji_> what's your sources for that?
  543. # [11:00] <_shorinji_> never heard it
  544. # [11:00] <_shorinji_> and html5 is such a broad standard, not just video and canvas tags
  545. # [11:00] <c_nick> i made a HTMl5 website and on Dual core pc it was seriously hogging my CPU
  546. # [11:01] <c_nick> what are the bad sides of flash
  547. # [11:01] <_shorinji_> it is a black box for developers
  548. # [11:01] <shwetank> c_nick will not work on most mobile devices
  549. # [11:01] <_shorinji_> it hogs loads of cpu
  550. # [11:01] <shwetank> flash or silverlight that is
  551. # [11:01] <_shorinji_> yup, iphones/ipads will not run any of those, just html5
  552. # [11:02] <_shorinji_> flash is vendor locked too
  553. # [11:02] <_shorinji_> imho html5 feels like the most free and open standard
  554. # [11:03] <shwetank> also see this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8959155/should-i-discontinue-learning-silverlight-now-that-the-html5-canvas-audio-video
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  556. # [11:03] <_shorinji_> if you design your websites to be available to the most people, I wouldn't go flash or any other plugin
  557. # [11:04] <hemanth> flash is not yet dead?
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  559. # [11:06] <c_nick> i am talking from a website perspective ?
  560. # [11:06] <c_nick> If i have it in Silverlight what are the cons ?
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  564. # [11:06] <c_nick> besides the above
  565. # [11:07] <_shorinji_> people must have the plugin to use it
  566. # [11:07] <_shorinji_> the most basic problem
  567. # [11:07] <c_nick> i know for one it wont run on any apple device
  568. # [11:07] <c_nick> why is plugin a problem ?
  569. # [11:08] <hemanth> non-free
  570. # [11:08] <_shorinji_> this is a html5 channel, so I don't think you find many experts on other "competitors" here
  571. # [11:08] <c_nick> yes _shorinji_ but I want to know how is HTML5 better than Flash/Silverlight ?
  572. # [11:08] <_shorinji_> i googled "silverlight drawbacks": http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1191057/what-are-the-drawbacks-with-building-business-apps-in-silverlight-contrary-to-ht
  573. # [11:09] <_shorinji_> well, I have presented my arguments
  574. # [11:10] <_shorinji_> in one way it's a religious fight :)
  575. # [11:10] <shwetank> easier to learn and code, much better chance of people using it, especially on mobile, much better forward (and backward) compatibility with browsers
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  577. # [11:11] <_shorinji_> if you get any customers that have usability requirements you will be screwed
  578. # [11:11] <shwetank> also, much more difficult (but not impossible) to get content in flash/silverlight accessible as compared to html(5)
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  580. # [11:12] <hemanth> "}
  581. # [11:12] <hemanth> :}
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  583. # [11:13] <c_nick> ok thanks :)
  584. # [11:13] <c_nick> I will definitely consider all your prespective :)
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  622. # [11:30] <moo-_-> someone still seriously considers flash or silverlight development for websites? :D
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  657. # [12:14] <msk> videos are working in iphone/android but not in blackberry. may I know the reason?
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  662. # [12:17] <hemanth> msk, which browser?
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  664. # [12:18] <msk> Hemanth:In all blackberry browsers.
  665. # [12:19] <hemanth> msk, did you check https://developer.blackberry.com/html5/api/HTMLVideoElement.html ?
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  668. # [12:23] <msk> hemanth:yes
  669. # [12:24] <hemanth> supported ?
  670. # [12:24] <msk> Hemanth:No
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  672. # [12:24] <hemanth> msk, then, i'm sorry
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  676. # [12:26] <msk> Hemanth:Normally videos are playing in blackberry means what is the reqiurements?
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  678. # [12:26] <msk> Hemnath:Dont about HTML5
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  680. # [12:27] <hemanth> msk, i'm not into blackberry, any modren browser must supprot HTML5 video tag and that page said about the versions which supported HTML5.
  681. # [12:28] <msk> Hemnath:Okay thanks
  682. # [12:28] <moo-_-> hemanth: this channel might be little biased to favor HTML5 :)
  683. # [12:29] <hemanth> moo-_-, heh hhe :)
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  1001. # [18:54] <DaVinci033> Hey everyone I'm just starting a site, should I seperate my html files and php files in different folders or put all my files needed for the site in the same folder?
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  1003. # [18:55] <Jon47> DaVinci033: you should keep all the the data in a single file
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  1005. # [18:55] <Jon47> jk
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  1007. # [18:55] <Jon47> for php you usually want to keep it outside the docroot
  1008. # [18:55] <thatryan> DaVinci033: I like to keep things like php files that will be included in a /inc directory
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  1010. # [18:56] <DaVinci033> Ok is there any reason to keep the php seperate?
  1011. # [18:56] <Jon47> DaVinci033: it depends on your site architecture but I have a lot of files that are class files or other things that aren't meant to be accessed directly
  1012. # [18:57] <Jon47> those things go outside the document root, so a curious user couldn't just type the file name in and execute it
  1013. # [18:57] <DaVinci033> Oh ok I understand now
  1014. # [18:59] <DaVinci033> What about naming conventions? like is there an easy way to keep track of what each html file will represent on the site or should I just do like, Main.html main2.html. What are some of your practices with naming
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  1018. # [19:00] <Jon47> ideally the name of the document will reflect what that document represents
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  1021. # [19:05] <DaVinci033> sorry one more stupid question is there a certain way to name extensions? like .htm or .html
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  1023. # [19:09] <Jon47> shouldn't matter but i prefer .html
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  1030. # [19:14] <David_Bradbury> I prefer *.htm - But 9 times out of 10 they end up being generated by the server and I don't have to worry about that :P
  1031. # [19:15] <grantg> heh, safari on mountain lion fucks over keycode events
  1032. # [19:15] <grantg> if a setInterval is taking up all the cpu time, a key event isn't scheduled in some cases in safari
  1033. # [19:16] <grantg> a proper event system would interleave the key events with the setInterval
  1034. # [19:16] <grantg> safari seems to be prioritizing setInterval over everything else
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  1036. # [19:16] <grantg> I'll get web apps that are doing stuff, but typing doesn't work
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  1038. # [19:17] <grantg> heh
  1039. # [19:17] <grantg> safari: oh you
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  1043. # [19:17] <grantg> nice knowing safari now lets web apps spin out of control
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  1047. # [19:19] <grantg> stable safari that is
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  1049. # [19:20] <grantg> first they fucked with key down (issues multiple key downs now before the first key up)... now this
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  1051. # [19:20] <grantg> I swear someone is actively sabotaging Safari's keyboard event system
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  1053. # [19:24] <moo-_-> grantg: we may know him as... Apple
  1054. # [19:24] <grantg> heh
  1055. # [19:24] <grantg> but seriously, safari now badly fails as soon as you hit 100% CPU usage
  1056. # [19:25] <grantg> its event system malfunctions
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  1058. # [19:25] <grantg> some events stop firing
  1059. # [19:25] <grantg> when they should nest
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  1103. # [20:29] <paul_irish> Pomax: !
  1104. # [20:29] <paul_irish> theres a discussion around standardizing font events
  1105. # [20:29] <paul_irish> wanna get in on this?
  1106. # [20:29] <Pomax> deal me in
  1107. # [20:29] <paul_irish> Pomax: msg me yr email
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  1109. # [20:30] <divya> Pomax: but do note that getting font glyph deets are different
  1110. # [20:30] <divya> so dont drag that in :PPP
  1111. # [20:30] <Pomax> I mostly care about finally getting some sensible events
  1112. # [20:30] <Pomax> like "font loaded" meaning "no really, it's primed and ready, you can apply it now and BAM, it works" =P
  1113. # [20:31] <Pomax> anything in addition to that is super bonus
  1114. # [20:31] <Pomax> (I have my own wishlist, but am also one of those persons who is totally okay with people saying "not in scope". as long as they're not dicks about it ;)
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  1242. # [23:14] <supsup> sup
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  1257. # [23:36] <garciawe_> anyone has experience with canvas?
  1258. # [23:38] <garciawe_> as canvas is not being accelerated, having like 100000 particles is better done with WebGL?
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