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13. # [00:12] <laszlokorte> hey there! I need some help with increasing my rendering performance. After a long time of research I discovered, that border "border-collapse: collapse;" increasing the layout-time of my table (which i redraw very frequently) by 400%. But if I remove the collapse property, the border of the colgroups are not visible anymore…. any solution?
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29. # [00:32] <LuizCB> Hello all. I'm trying to find an audio/video player with the possibility of customization of controls, i mean having the user the choice of placing each control in any place of a given theme/player interface and not restricted to the heavily used "controlbar" in a bar.
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79. # [01:34] <rgervais> should one use a grid system for responsive sites?
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86. # [01:43] <rgervais> should one use a grid system for responsive sites? or should I just stick to plain old basic media queries
87. # [01:43] <rgervais> and manual breakpoints?
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124. # [02:17] <winnipegm> hello
125. # [02:17] <winnipegm> anyone here ever do streaming with html5 and flash media live encoder and server?
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129. # [02:23] <winnipegm> this is what im trying to do :) http://forums.adobe.com/message/4615327
130. # [02:23] <winnipegm> but its chinese to me and need direction or help :)
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147. # [03:01] <laszlokorte> hey, is it possible to style the right border of a colgroup without settings border-collapse?
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185. # [04:01] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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191. # [04:16] <thatryan> what do you do if you just want to build something cool and useful but it appears every idea is already made!?!??
192. # [04:18] <tw2113> build it better
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195. # [04:18] <tw2113> remember thatryan, the ipod wasn't the first mp3 player ;)
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201. # [04:26] <rgervais> should one use a grid system for responsive sites? or should I just stick to plain old basic media queries
202. # [04:26] <rgervais> and manual breakpoints?
203. # [04:26] <tw2113> plain old basic media queries?
204. # [04:27] <tw2113> i thought they were pretty new still
205. # [04:27] <thatryan> tw2113: perhaps, nice point
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209. # [04:27] <rgervais> ok rephrase.. should I stick to the basics and media queries
210. # [04:27] <tw2113> not sure i'd want a typical grid system in RWD
211. # [04:28] <rgervais> basically my question is.. are you guys using grids
212. # [04:28] <tw2113> you'd have to redeclare the widths for each size check
213. # [04:28] <tw2113> maybe
214. # [04:28] <tw2113> i don't use grids much
215. # [04:28] <rgervais> well that's good to know
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217. # [04:28] <tw2113> do grids usually use ems or %'s?
218. # [04:28] <rgervais> i believe %
219. # [04:29] <tw2113> i'm sure you could mix the two
220. # [04:29] <tw2113> with some work
221. # [04:30] <rgervais> could a company force you to use grids is my other question?
222. # [04:31] <rgervais> they want me to use 'The 1140px CSS Grid System'.. i'm like man why not write what's necessary
223. # [04:31] <rgervais> and be done with it?
224. # [04:31] <rgervais> lol
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227. # [04:33] <tw2113> debatable
228. # [04:34] <rgervais> it's debatable.. but at the end I'll be the one doing it and I'm most comfortable writing what's necessary
229. # [04:35] <tw2113> tell them that
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231. # [04:35] <rgervais> for example you don't use grids much yourself
232. # [04:35] <rgervais> say I was your boss and told you no you have to use this
233. # [04:35] <rgervais> what's your response
234. # [04:35] <tw2113> i don't use joomla either, but i'm sure there are people that are quite comfy with that over WordPress
235. # [04:35] <tw2113> 'i quit"
236. # [04:35] <rgervais> LMAO
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238. # [04:36] <rgervais> dead.
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240. # [04:36] <rgervais> can i get unemployed benefits if i quit.. lol
241. # [04:36] <rgervais> wrong channel
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243. # [04:37] <rgervais> ahh..
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245. # [04:41] <rgervais> sidebar: IE needs auto update feature like chrome and ff
246. # [04:41] <rgervais> hopes ie10 does that
247. # [04:42] <tw2113> if they haven't announced it already, i'm doubtful 10 will
248. # [04:43] <rgervais> true
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250. # [04:44] <tw2113> they're still trying to get people off of XP
251. # [04:44] <rgervais> pfft
252. # [04:44] <rgervais> and they're promoting ie9 heavy on TV
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276. # [05:21] <danielfilho> hey guys
277. # [05:22] <danielfilho> anyone here know any implementation of { audio: true } on getUserMedia()?
278. # [05:22] <danielfilho> i've been a while looking for it, but there's a lack of info about it :/
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284. # [05:32] <thatryan> so when a recruiter says "yeah we are looking for experts in HTML5 and CSS3..." what exactly does that mean?
285. # [05:33] <tw2113> buzzwords?
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287. # [05:34] <tw2113> maybe it's used as a filter
288. # [05:34] <tw2113> and they just want people who are uptospeed on modern stuff
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331. # [06:36] <hemanth> meow
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347. # [07:01] <the_ant> which better for creating menu, using ul and li or using nested div?
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351. # [07:03] <the_ant> excuse me.
352. # [07:03] <tw2113> i prefer lists
353. # [07:03] <the_ant> tw2113: lists? how it is?
354. # [07:03] <the_ant> is it using ul and li?
355. # [07:03] <tw2113> well, menus are a list of links, don't you think
356. # [07:04] <tw2113> ul + li's
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358. # [07:04] <the_ant> sorry i almost forget the name of it. so, why you prefer it?
359. # [07:05] <tw2113> because menus are lists of links
360. # [07:05] <tw2113> makes sense in my mind
361. # [07:06] <the_ant> ok. thanks tw2113, i will consider it first.
362. # [07:07] <tw2113> there isn't a definite "right" way
363. # [07:07] <tw2113> but people have their preferences
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365. # [07:08] <the_ant> yap. often i confuse, why some people use nested div and why some other use lists. there must be some reason behind.
366. # [07:09] <tw2113> even <p><a></p> repeated would work
367. # [07:10] <tw2113> or just <a><a><a> with the links set to display block
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387. # [07:39] <hemanth> paul_irish, yo! I'm gnumanth on twitter :)
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395. # [07:51] <chovy> what's the best way to open a new window with a link?
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406. # [08:04] <hemanth> chovy, window or a tab?
407. # [08:04] <hemanth> chovy, target="_blank" ?
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443. # [09:05] <coellobranco> saludos
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474. # [09:39] <[AD]Turbo> hi there html5ers
475. # [09:40] <hemanth> yo
476. # [09:40] <_shorinji_> hello us!
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490. # [09:50] <chovy> thanks
491. # [09:50] <chovy> i used a jquery window.open
492. # [09:51] <chovy> didn't even need rel=external
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533. # [10:31] <miChou> ahoy hackers! :)
534. # [10:31] <_shorinji_> ahoy sailor
535. # [10:32] <miChou> I'm doing some research around DOM APIs and I was wondering if I could fish up a quick answer here
536. # [10:32] <miChou> are there HTML5 APIs that expose collections/sequences that can/are indexed by name?
537. # [10:33] <miChou> things like foo = document.theApi()
538. # [10:33] <miChou> alert(foo[1], foo["bar'])?
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542. # [10:33] <moo-_-> miChou: is element.style such?
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544. # [10:34] <moo-_-> element.style.backgroudnColor
545. # [10:34] <moo-_-> and so on
546. # [10:34] <moo-_-> there is no hash map per se in JS, they are just objects
547. # [10:34] <hemanth> :}
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563. # [10:41] <_shorinji_> miChou: at least I have never heard of any such api being part of html5 per se
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574. # [10:49] <chovy> miChou: localStorage maybe?
575. # [10:50] <chovy> localStorage.setItem('foo', 'bar');
576. # [10:50] <chovy> localStorage.getItem('foo') // => bar
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580. # [10:55] <miChou> ok, so I wasn't very clear... I'm searching for some kind of collection that's indexed by *both* name and index
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616. # [11:22] <miChou> another question :D
617. # [11:22] <miChou> what's document.all ??
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620. # [11:24] <moo-_-> miChou: javascript is not PHP
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622. # [11:24] <moo-_-> I am not sure what you are looking for exists
623. # [11:25] <miChou> I'm not sure either, that's why I'm asking here :)
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625. # [11:26] <asher^> document.all is just an array of all the elements in the document
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627. # [11:28] <xec_> unless you're using firefox, then it's undefined ^^
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632. # [11:28] <miChou> xec_ it looks defined in WebKit, too
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634. # [11:28] <miChou> and works just as I said, you can query it both by name and index
635. # [11:29] <miChou> alas, it's from the pre-history of DOM :))
636. # [11:30] <asher^> i think it was originally just in IE
637. # [11:30] <asher^> i dont know if anyone actually uses it for anything
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647. # [11:32] <miChou> document.forms behaves just the same way
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674. # [11:42] <miChou> my quest is done
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676. # [11:42] <miChou> thanks a lot for your help!
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879. # [16:50] <obert-> hello, a good autofocus effect to be added to my form?:)
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897. # [17:06] <paul_irish> h5bp 4.0 is now out! https://twitter.com/h5bp/status/240739289980338176
898. # [17:06] <paul_irish> woo
899. # [17:07] <shwetank> Awesome, Paul :)
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919. # [17:20] <DaVinci033> Hello world
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922. # [17:23] <lcb> pls pretty pls.. do you know any player (audio/video or one of it) that supports vertical volume control?
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934. # [17:38] <Jon47> i think you'd be better served by a google search for that one, lcb
935. # [17:39] <lcb> Jon47: nope, nothing on there .. only requests for it on several players
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937. # [17:41] <Jon47> there's a number of options with customizable UIs, acorn is one
938. # [17:42] <Jon47> you might have to do a little CSS/JS work
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941. # [17:48] <lcb> Jon47: hard to find. thanks
942. # [17:49] <Jon47> i'd never heard of it until 30 seconds ago when i did a google search
943. # [17:50] <lcb> :)
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945. # [17:51] <lcb> i believe that's a flash slider what they have there
946. # [17:52] <Jon47> the acorn player is entirely open source, so i doubt that
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949. # [17:54] <lcb> okay Jon47. thanks a lot. i'm dlding and installing to see how is it.
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951. # [17:55] <lcb> and thanks indeed, it's really hard to find a vertical vol slider without being flash
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953. # [17:55] <dr0id> are offline/online events part of html5, or did they exist from long before ?
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967. # [18:03] <dr0id1> does navigator.onLine actually switch in FF on network disconnection? doesn't seems to return false for me, always true :/
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1004. # [18:36] <Pomax> oh nice. http://www.html5accessibility.com is pretty handy
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1019. # [18:55] <Pomax> ... wtf chrome
1020. # [18:55] <Pomax> "TTX 2.3 - win32.ZIP is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous."
1021. # [18:55] <Pomax> who the hell are you to determine what "commonly downloaded" means
1022. # [18:55] <Pomax> downloaded by who, the world? how would you know, are you monitoring individual file transfers on the internet now?
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1024. # [18:56] <Pomax> thank you for making using the internet just that little bit more annoying and unenjoyable
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1060. # [19:25] <David_Bradbury> RIP hot pink highlight background - Congrats on v4.0 of H5BP though paul_irish
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1066. # [19:30] <kurrent> paul_irish: Replace hot pink text selection color with a neutral color. WORST CHANGE EVER!
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1069. # [19:32] <kurrent> it was like a hidden indicator to identify lazy web devs. hot pink was genius if you ask me
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1086. # [19:43] <David_Bradbury> I always got a kick when I'd be on a site and suddenly PINK
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1089. # [19:46] <paul_irish> when it was on abcnews.com i got kind of upset
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1115. # [20:14] <chovy> paul_irish: what was on abcnews.com
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1123. # [20:24] <tom[]> hot pink select color, i presume
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1126. # [20:28] <paul_irish> ^
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1129. # [20:33] <David_Bradbury> Did they say something about the pink, or were you upset that it got on the page?
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1136. # [20:40] <paul_irish> i was upset that hotpink was used for the entire site's selection
1137. # [20:40] <paul_irish> like
1138. # [20:40] <paul_irish> i love the pink
1139. # [20:40] <paul_irish> dont get me wrong
1140. # [20:40] <paul_irish> but
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1142. # [20:40] <paul_irish> its halfway between a joke that's funny and an esoteric inside developer handshake
1143. # [20:40] <paul_irish> and on some sites neither is appropriate.
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1149. # [20:46] <thatryan> paul_irish: know any place that is hiring front-end peeps? ;)
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1158. # [20:56] <WebDragon> which elements are permitted as decendents of ul>li ? I know P is permitted but I see that div, section, are not.. what about article, aside, ?
1159. # [20:56] <WebDragon> heya paul_irish :)
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1161. # [20:56] <paul_irish> hoho
1162. # [20:56] <WebDragon> what's new?
1163. # [20:56] <paul_irish> THINGS
1164. # [20:57] <paul_irish> readign this http://trek.github.com/ its pretty hot
1165. # [20:57] <WebDragon> <evil voice> A great many thinggggs </evil voice>
1166. # [20:58] <WebDragon> hmm looks interesting (bookmarked)
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1169. # [21:00] * tom[] or send to kindle, why don't you. thanks readability
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1174. # [21:04] <WebDragon> oh wait, nevermind. goofy bug in whiteboard framework wordpress theme. I'll have to submit this fix
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1279. # [22:48] <greengros> no questions about HTML
1280. # [22:48] <greengros> thank you
1281. # [22:49] <rawtaz> i thought html5 was html, so i prepared a while sheet of questions :¨(
1282. # [22:49] <greengros> haha nooo
1283. # [22:49] <greengros> big diff between html5 and html
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1285. # [22:50] <greengros> html5 is five times bigger than html
1286. # [22:50] <greengros> so divide the sheet into 5
1287. # [22:50] <greengros> ull be good
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1289. # [22:50] <jarek> what is the meaning of "wheelDeltaX" property of mousewheel event?
1290. # [22:50] <rawtaz> greengros: i still think it's HTML, considering its name :P
1291. # [22:51] <greengros> for sure :P
1292. # [22:51] <jarek> it has random values on Chrome when I'm using trackpad
1293. # [22:51] <greengros> i wonder how a normal person does such thing
1294. # [22:52] <greengros> and start usin html in his life
1295. # [22:52] <greengros> go eat laugh study
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1350. # [23:45] <tom[]> what's the right place to go when departing from HTML Purifier and heading to the future?
1351. # [23:46] <tom[]> http://htmlpurifier.org/live/configdoc/plain.html#HTML.Doctype
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