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  47. # [01:31] <grantgalitz> what
  48. # [01:31] <grantgalitz> TIL godaddy advertises on reddit
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  50. # [01:32] <grantgalitz> http://i.imgur.com/UbYJq.png
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  95. # [02:55] <Vitrify> whats up guys.
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  97. # [02:59] <Vitrify> i have a real silly question
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  173. # [05:40] <David_Bradbury> Does anybody know if there is a way to make Modernizr use data-* instead of putting all the feature detection in classes?
  174. # [05:40] <paul_irish> hm
  175. # [05:40] <paul_irish> nope but how would that work
  176. # [05:41] <paul_irish> and why that
  177. # [05:42] <David_Bradbury> Well, there is basic support in all modern browsers, and I feel putting all of the values into something such as data-modernizr="" instead of classes would be more semantic
  178. # [05:42] <paul_irish> why would that be more semantic?
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  186. # [05:48] <David_Bradbury> Well, I feel that using class names for something describing features isn't nessessarally in line with what classes are supposed to be used for. I feel that classes are used to describe a group of things without necessarily describing how they look or act. Feature dection is more describing how the browser 'acts'.
  187. # [05:49] <David_Bradbury> By moving it over to data-*, I can still target it in CSS, while making sure I keep my CSS names related to either identifying specific elements, or identifying groups of relating elements
  188. # [05:50] <paul_irish> David_Bradbury: turns out classes were not designed that specifically and are fine for holding state and behavior
  189. # [05:50] <paul_irish> also
  190. # [05:51] <paul_irish> html[data-modernizr*="video"]
  191. # [05:51] <paul_irish> sucks
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  193. # [05:51] <paul_irish> and its not cognizant of whitespace.. in case there is a .3dvideo test in the future
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  195. # [05:53] <David_Bradbury> Fair enough. I had always been taught to avoid putting 'behavior' inside of classes, but I quite trust your expertise on the subject :)
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  206. # [06:05] <wingy> how do you have a list item that has list items?
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  209. # [06:05] <David_Bradbury> <ul><li>Item One</li><ul><li>Sub-Item 1</li></ul></ul>
  210. # [06:06] <wingy> David_Bradbury: thx!
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  248. # [07:49] <kaushik_> hi
  249. # [07:51] <paul_irish> hi
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  258. # [08:08] <hemanth> hi
  259. # [08:09] <hemanth> paul_irish, hey! trying this http://h3manth.com/newlooks/ ;) looks familiar ?
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  264. # [08:11] <hemanth> but if i load many articles it bombs, I have md in those descriptions :( paul_irish
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  328. # [09:42] <[AD]Turbo> hi there
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  336. # [09:51] <hemanth> yo
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  407. # [11:21] <hemanth> must i go for a polyfill?
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  409. # [11:25] <hemanth> !!(window.webkitAudioContext || window.AudioContext) not really :\
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  454. # [13:01] <TheFuzzball> Is there a semantic tag to replace <span> in the context of an anchor, e.g. <a href="#" id="image_link"><span>Text shown when stylesheet isn't loaded</span></a>
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  458. # [13:06] <andrewjbaker> TheFuzzball: Not that I'm aware of. I think I'd just use span, much as you have.
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  460. # [13:07] <_shorinji_> maybe there are some magic aria attributes to hint it
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  732. # [19:40] <Omar> Hey, I want to start learning HTML5, I'm not sure which one of these 2 books I should start with. 1)Head First HTML and CSS 2)Head First HTML5 Programming ....
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  734. # [19:40] <Omar> I dont know HTML.. I only know Android developemnt (Java,c++,c,c#)
  735. # [19:40] <Omar> I've never been a web developer
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  739. # [19:50] <thatryan> Omar: http://www.diveintohtml5.net/
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  746. # [19:53] <David_Bradbury> http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page, http://css.maxdesign.com.au, http://html5doctor.com
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  752. # [19:57] <Omar> David_Bradbury: So should I learn in the order of this site w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page : HTML -> CSS -> Javascript ?
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  754. # [19:58] <David_Bradbury> That's what I'd recommend. And honestly, if you read straight through that page top-to-bottom, you'll be better off than a lot of people
  755. # [19:59] <asher^> :)
  756. # [19:59] <Omar> Cool! thanks for the link and your time
  757. # [20:00] <David_Bradbury> Also, check out w3fools.com :)
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  759. # [20:00] <David_Bradbury> Basically, avoid w3schools - I'm sure you'll come across them at some point
  760. # [20:00] <tw2113> yeah, like in a google search *runs*
  761. # [20:01] <David_Bradbury> They'll lead you down the path to the dark side. And not the cool, powerful dark side either.
  762. # [20:01] <thatryan> ++ David_Bradbury
  763. # [20:01] <tw2113> their dark side doesn't have cookies or koolaid
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  766. # [20:02] <David_Bradbury> :)
  767. # [20:06] <Omar> David_Bradbury: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/learn vs http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page .. Which one is better?
  768. # [20:06] <tw2113> mmm mdn
  769. # [20:08] <David_Bradbury> Hmm. Both are solid. MDN is going to be less 'dry', but w3 is going to be more cohesive
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  771. # [20:08] <David_Bradbury> I think w3 also has better insight into the history and reasons we do things
  772. # [20:09] <David_Bradbury> That said, I'd probably look at both and absorb as much as I can :)
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  774. # [20:11] <Omar> but how would I learn from MDN? for example html: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/learn/html has links to other websites
  775. # [20:11] <Omar> I mean it doesnt contain tutorials, it just contains links to other tutorials
  776. # [20:12] <tw2113> so, it's a collection of tutorial links
  777. # [20:12] <tw2113> you go to the specified links and go through their tutorials
  778. # [20:12] <David_Bradbury> Just go through them one at a time. The Introductory Level articles don't seem to link to other articles very often, and if they do, you can just compelte each one
  779. # [20:13] <David_Bradbury> complete*
  780. # [20:14] <Omar> aha, I guess I'm going to go with the 'less dry' solution then :)
  781. # [20:15] <Omar> thanks again!
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  893. # [22:19] <Adawerk> anyone looking for a new job doing html5/css3/js? :)
  894. # [22:21] <thatryan> yes :)
  895. # [22:22] <jxdones> yup
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  904. # [22:27] <David_Bradbury> Nobody at all
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  933. # [22:59] <cryptopsy> how do i take a JS tree, say with more than 10 elements, and fade the top and bottom within a distance of 5 entries, regardless of tree level
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  935. # [22:59] <cryptopsy> for example lets say you have the list 1..10, each on a new line, 1 and 10 are the most faded, 2 and 9 are less faded, etc
  936. # [23:00] <cryptopsy> my js tree is just a <ul><li> elements
  937. # [23:00] <cryptopsy> i guess ... use more js?
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