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  127. # [03:14] <benv> paul_irish
  128. # [03:14] <benv> sup
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  130. # [03:14] <benv> i guess its late
  131. # [03:14] <paul_irish> sup bocce grandmaster
  132. # [03:14] <benv> aw shiiit
  133. # [03:14] <benv> so, i've got this really wild mobile chrome bug
  134. # [03:15] <paul_irish> yeahhhhh
  135. # [03:15] <paul_irish> sounds hot
  136. # [03:15] <benv> i've been googling the ticket log
  137. # [03:15] <benv> i can't find a bug
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  139. # [03:15] <benv> i'm wondering if you've heard anything about it on the grapvine
  140. # [03:15] <benv> grapevine
  141. # [03:15] <benv> basically - we have a webfont
  142. # [03:15] <benv> to hold icons
  143. # [03:15] <benv> some elements are using the font, some of them are not
  144. # [03:16] <benv> i was debugging in mobile inspector (way cool)
  145. # [03:16] <benv> and i could "fix it" by basically just forcing a re-render of the DOM tree that was affected
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  147. # [03:18] <benv> in inspector
  148. # [03:18] <benv> crazy talk? paul_irish
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  266. # [06:41] <dr0id> is html5 the future ?
  267. # [06:43] <hemanth> no
  268. # [06:43] <hemanth> html5 is now and ever
  269. # [06:43] <hemanth> ;)
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  483. # [11:22] <josefrichter_> guys, I am opening a file with FileReader API (as dataURI), then attaching it to new Image element, and then drawing it into canvas. However, the attaching into src of the Image is huge performance bottleneck. For 3MB JPEG it takes like 6 seconds. Any ideas why? or how to avoid it? Please.
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  505. # [12:06] <_aeris_> hello everybody !
  506. # [12:07] <_aeris_> i have a question about required input attribute
  507. # [12:07] <_aeris_> i have multiple forms on one page
  508. # [12:07] <_aeris_> but when submitting one form, all required input are checked, even inputs on another form…
  509. # [12:07] <_aeris_> is it normal ?
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  687. # [14:15] <moo-_-> josefrichter_: why they would?
  688. # [14:15] <moo-_-> TIFF is not exactly a media of web
  689. # [14:15] <moo-_-> it's a marginal use case to distribute images in TIFF, so there is no incentive for web browsers to support it
  690. # [14:16] <josefrichter_> moo-_- coz the landscape is changing. when user opens TIFF in web app it doesn't mean you're gonna send 20MB tiff to server too...
  691. # [14:16] <moo-_-> josefrichter_: no
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  693. # [14:17] <moo-_-> you simply limit the supported images formats to non-TIFF formats in your web application
  694. # [14:17] <moo-_-> problem solved
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  696. # [14:17] <moo-_-> again, a marginal use case
  697. # [14:17] <moo-_-> people don't open TIFFs in web applications
  698. # [14:17] <moo-_-> if any professional software needs TIFFs then you use some more professional tools
  699. # [14:17] <moo-_-> OR
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  701. # [14:18] <moo-_-> you can simply write a TIFF decoder in Javascript and recompress the image as JPEG on the client side
  702. # [14:18] <moo-_-> it is not a duty of the browser to do this for you
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  704. # [14:18] <josefrichter_> moo-_- how do I write tiff decoder/converter in javasript?
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  707. # [14:19] <moo-_-> josefrichter_: first you check if there are available open source implementations
  708. # [14:19] <moo-_-> if not
  709. # [14:20] <moo-_-> then you study how TIFF format is decoded and write it to raw byte data in Javascript and then re-encode and re-scale as the desired format
  710. # [14:21] <josefrichter_> moo-_- hmm thanks
  711. # [14:22] <moo-_-> you need some insight for computer images are processed, so if you are not familiar in this field of expertise I suggest you hire some freelancer to do the task for you
  712. # [14:22] <moo-_-> but it is definitely possible
  713. # [14:23] <moo-_-> as there exist h264 video decoders in pure javascript
  714. # [14:23] <moo-_-> mp3 audio
  715. # [14:23] <moo-_-> etc.
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  717. # [14:25] <moo-_-> josefrichter_: my suggestion would be that you ask on stackoverflow.com about how to decode TIFF in Javascript
  718. # [14:25] <moo-_-> you might get some good pointers there
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  725. # [14:31] <sedovsek> o/
  726. # [14:31] <sedovsek> I have a strange 'request'
  727. # [14:32] <sedovsek> Is it possible to disable scrolling without hiding scrollbar (body { overflow: hidden; })
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  731. # [14:32] <sedovsek> I have a popup and I should only be scrolling within, so the 'outside' body content should stay intact for the time popup is opened.
  732. # [14:33] <moo-_-> sedovsek: do you want to non-functional scrollbar in your layout?
  733. # [14:33] <moo-_-> I think there was a separate CSS rule for controlling the visibility of the scrollbar
  734. # [14:33] <sedovsek> moo-_-: You nailed it. :)
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  737. # [14:33] <sedovsek> Hm, I'll take a deeper look, thanks.
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  739. # [14:33] <moo-_-> overflow:scroll?
  740. # [14:34] <moo-_-> and you can vertical and horizontal separately
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  754. # [14:35] <sedovsek> Yes, but later on I must set overflow to hidden if I want to prevent the ability to scroll.
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  757. # [14:35] <sedovsek> Which results in removing the scrollbar.
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  763. # [14:37] <moo-_-> sedovsek: you can put the content in an another wrapping <div>
  764. # [14:37] <moo-_-> where you clip it
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  767. # [14:37] <sedovsek> Hm, hm...
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  771. # [14:39] <sedovsek> That does not work, because the <body> is the highest level element and it allows scrolling.
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  778. # [14:39] <moo-_-> sedovsek: but add <body><div id="visual-wrapper">...
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  781. # [14:39] <sedovsek> Yes.
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  784. # [14:40] <sedovsek> But unless body is { overflow: hidden; }, it is scrollable.
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  786. # [14:40] <sedovsek> And this is what removes scrollbars.
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  789. # [14:40] <sedovsek> And the popup content is still scrollable, which is desired effect.
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  791. # [14:41] <sedovsek> But I dislike that "switch" between bodys overflow hidden and auto (default)
  792. # [14:41] <sedovsek> Once I close the popup, I set the body overflow value to auto, so the content is scrollable again.
  793. # [14:41] <sedovsek> The only thing I dislike is the switch - hiding and displaying the scrollbar.
  794. # [14:42] <sedovsek> So If I could disable the abillity to scroll while not hiding scrollbar… that would be perfect.
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  1033. # [17:03] <Protonsoup> I'm having a problem playing webm files with 5.1 sound using the <video> tag. Anyone know how I can fix this? I'm using chrome. The videos play fine if i encode the video with 2 channels
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  1042. # [17:08] <moo-_-> Protonsoup: if Chrome doesn't support the audio format in the question there is not much you can do
  1043. # [17:08] <moo-_-> Protonsoup: I suggest you file an issue against open source chromium project, but they might comment it is WONTFIX
  1044. # [17:09] <Protonsoup> Ah thats too bad. figured google would be on top of that
  1045. # [17:09] <Protonsoup> How would I go about suggesting to add that feature?
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  1048. # [17:11] <moo-_-> Protonsoup: http://www.chromium.org/for-testers/bug-reporting-guidelines
  1049. # [17:12] <Protonsoup> Cool. thanks
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  1273. # [19:57] <amadeus3> why would code show up in the page source view and not on the index.php on the server?
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  1279. # [19:59] <amadeus3> ive searched the server for parts of this code and i cannot find it anywhere what am i missing
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  1282. # [20:02] <David_Bradbury> Because the code could be generated in pieces, could be obscured, could be rendered by a library, etc...
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  1307. # [20:24] <moo-_-> amadeus3: this channel is not about PHP. I suggest you PHP question you ask them on stackoverflow.com.
  1308. # [20:24] <amadeus3> ok
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  1318. # [20:37] <[AD]Turbo> is someone here developing some games in html?
  1319. # [20:37] <[AD]Turbo> *html5*
  1320. # [20:38] <[AD]Turbo> multiplayer
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  1366. # [21:31] <moo-_-> don't recall its name
  1367. # [21:31] <moo-_-> started with letter b
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  1378. # [21:47] <hugo_moss> is it semantically correct to have div elements with no inline content in them?
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  1381. # [21:48] <xonecas> o/
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  1436. # [23:03] <benv> anyone using webfontloader
  1437. # [23:04] <moo-_-> hugo_moss: like empty div elements?
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  1443. # [23:12] <paul_irish> benv: a while ago
  1444. # [23:15] <benv> right
  1445. # [23:15] <benv> so i've got this crazy font bug in mobile chrome
  1446. # [23:15] <benv> i was wondering last night if you'd heard of it
  1447. # [23:15] <benv> i.e. it renders some of our text w/ this font, and some not
  1448. # [23:15] <benv> inside of an iframe
  1449. # [23:16] <benv> i was going to play around w webfontloader
  1450. # [23:16] <benv> but i have no idea how a "custom" font works in that library
  1451. # [23:16] <benv> there's no docs … just "point this at a stylesheet"
  1452. # [23:16] <benv> does the stylesheet contain the @font-face declaration? is that the idea? etc ...
  1453. # [23:16] <benv> i'm all over the place
  1454. # [23:16] <benv> srry
  1455. # [23:16] <benv> :)
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  1459. # [23:18] <paul_irish> benv: oh hey. just ping me after you do all that
  1460. # [23:18] <paul_irish> i forget to check back
  1461. # [23:18] <benv> o
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  1463. # [23:19] <benv> i assume people are hanging off my every word!
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  1465. # [23:19] <paul_irish> Oh
  1466. # [23:19] <paul_irish> benv: luckily i know this one
  1467. # [23:19] <benv> !!!
  1468. # [23:20] <paul_irish> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webfonts/quick/#toc-fout
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  1470. # [23:20] <benv> right, but this isn't a flash
  1471. # [23:21] <benv> it's like - permanently not loaded
  1472. # [23:21] <benv> for some elements and not others
  1473. # [23:21] <paul_irish> the part beelow that
  1474. # [23:21] <paul_irish> is the webfont loader with custom sheet
  1475. # [23:21] <benv> ahh
  1476. # [23:21] <paul_irish> inside that file is.. http://paulirish.com/i/f2a370.png
  1477. # [23:21] <benv> but where's the font-face declaration?
  1478. # [23:21] <benv> oh, i see
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  1480. # [23:22] <benv> was gonna play with this
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  1482. # [23:22] <benv> thanks
  1483. # [23:22] <David_Bradbury> Anybody aware of any libraries or the like that let you do control live 3D transformations (such as the transform/perspective tool in Photoshop)?
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  1485. # [23:23] <xonecas> paul_irish: what is your terminal theme?
  1486. # [23:23] <paul_irish> somethin hot
  1487. # [23:23] <paul_irish> https://github.com/paulirish/dotfiles/blob/master/.bash_prompt
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  1490. # [23:24] <paul_irish> this file works standalone
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  1498. # [23:29] <xonecas> thanks paul_irish
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  1517. # [23:49] <benv> paul_irish: looks like bug has nothing to do with FOUC
  1518. # [23:49] <benv> er FOUT
  1519. # [23:50] <benv> based on using that webfont library
  1520. # [23:50] <benv> and deferring visiblity until the font is loaded
  1521. # [23:50] <benv> it seems to be a legit rendering bug ...........
  1522. # [23:50] <benv> but how to reproduce for yall
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