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  1. # Session Start: Thu Sep 20 10:37:05 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [10:37] * Now talking in #html5
  4. # [10:37] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
  5. # [10:37] * Set by marienz!marienz@freenode/staff/marienz on Fri Oct 21 21:53:09
  6. # [10:40] <politron_> the question is if it is possible do what I want
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  34. # [11:25] <pehlert> Morning folks. Is it allowed to nest header and footer elements within a dummy div?
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  36. # [11:29] <_shorinji_> headers like <h1> bla bla <h2> less bla bla </h2></h1>?
  37. # [11:30] <asher^> pehlert you mean have a header and footer for the div? sure, thats fine
  38. # [11:30] <_shorinji_> asher^: please enlighten me on what manner of headers/footers you mean
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  40. # [11:31] <asher^> <header> and <footer>
  41. # [11:31] <_shorinji_> aha
  42. # [11:31] <_shorinji_> not sure what nesting them means then
  43. # [11:32] <_shorinji_> header inside a header makes little semantic meaning
  44. # [11:33] <pehlert> asher^: Well I would like to use the new fullscreen API and when I use it with my body element, jQuery breaks for some reason. So my solution is put a div around everything in my body tag
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  47. # [11:34] <pehlert> It's a bit nasty and I just wanted to know whether it is syntactically allowed
  48. # [11:37] <asher^> you can always use a validator to check if youre breaking the rules too :)
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  106. # [14:35] <herbnerder> pehlert: if you're still listening, yes that's fine and quite common ( having a #wrap or #container div).
  107. # [14:37] <herbnerder> But, a <header> doesn't have to be used the same as <div id="header"> used to be. You can have multiple headers inside various elements (ex, <article>), if it makes sense to.
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  258. # [18:48] <jedierikb> following the html5rocks tutorial for rAF, I am unable to change elements' css immediately on scroll event
  259. # [18:49] <jedierikb> my fiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/RETbF/
  260. # [18:49] <jedierikb> what am i doing wrong here? (and if this is the wrong forum, please let me know, thanks)
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  280. # [19:18] <jedierikb> here is the html5rox tutorial i was following: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/speed/animations/#an-example
  281. # [19:19] <jedierikb> i don't think I went to wildly off what is described therein
  282. # [19:20] <jedierikb> wrote it up here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12515323/change-elements-css-immediately-on-scroll-event
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  388. # [21:30] <Jon47> what's the deal with the :invalid pseudo class, i feel like that's never going to work
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  390. # [21:30] <anigma> is it stupid to define a table border in the <table> tag? or would it be better to do that in a style sheet?
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  392. # [21:30] <Jon47> how in the world will every browser cooperate to make that work consistently
  393. # [21:30] <Jon47> and if it doesn't work consistently, it can't be used
  394. # [21:32] <Garbee> anigma, You should use a stylesheet as much as possible.
  395. # [21:32] <Garbee> Assining good classes so everything can be as re-usable as possible.
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  397. # [21:33] <Garbee> Jon47, What are you seeing wrong with :invalid ?
  398. # [21:34] <Jon47> for one thing, Chrome automatically applies it to empty inputs whose placeholder text isinvalid
  399. # [21:35] <Garbee> Wow, ok that is wrong I think.
  400. # [21:36] <Jon47> honestly, that's a small thing; it might even be in the spec for all i know
  401. # [21:37] <Jon47> I just don't see it as something we can rely on, there will always be a use for javascript in forms - to make sure "password" and "confirm password" are both filled out and the same, same for emails
  402. # [21:37] <Garbee> Well, Placeholder text I think should be ignored. It should check for whether the input has been cleared and then throw invalid until valid input appears. --Logical thinking not reading the spec.
  403. # [21:37] <Jon47> and a css pseudo-state isn't something that js can interface with
  404. # [21:38] <Garbee> Yea, I personally am not using :invalid. I can't really control it enough yet.
  405. # [21:38] <Garbee> Well, actually I could... I believe you can change the text put out by some HTML attribute.
  406. # [21:39] <Garbee> Either way, I want to do some heftier stuff like linking in the invalid password popover. That way I can point people to grc.com/haystack to help them make a good password.
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  408. # [21:39] <Jon47> i think form logic is too complicated and specific to the form to be fully encompassed by the :invalid state, and if it doesn't do everything, why use it for anything...
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  410. # [21:43] <Garbee> I think it is at least good that they are thinking about it.
  411. # [21:43] <Garbee> For those of us here yea, we kinda want to do more or have X functionality. But to starters or people just building a simple thing, it can be useful.
  412. # [21:43] <Garbee> Hopefully in future specs it will get improved and let us do more with it.
  413. # [21:43] <Garbee> Or we can find a way to interface with it using jquery.
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  454. # [22:55] <Pomax> so I wrote a DOM diff lib.
  455. # [22:56] <Pomax> http://pomax.github.com/DOM-diff
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  463. # [23:15] <David_Bradbury> Pomax: That's pretty cool. Two things I've noticed in the demo. When I press two keys at the same time, it doesn't show a difference - Secondly, when I change the width of the iFrame, it doesn't show a change either
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  465. # [23:17] <Pomax> it does diffs on keyup, so if you release two keys in rapid succession, it'll do a diff, with a changeset, and then immediately do another diff, but since the changes were already applied, there won't be any changes the second time.
  466. # [23:17] <Pomax> As for the width, I think that's youtube doing something funky
  467. # [23:18] <Pomax> using style="width: 100px" for instance works fine
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  482. # [23:34] <Pomax> David_Bradbury: it should now no longer do the "more than once" parse run =)
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  484. # [23:40] <David_Bradbury> Almost perfect. The 4th container in the demo is empty.
  485. # [23:40] <David_Bradbury> Works great otherwise
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  498. # [23:55] <Pomax> empty? are you blocking scripts? =P
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  500. # [23:59] <David_Bradbury> Nope, it was working earlier. Got an empty iFrame
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