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  44. # [00:47] <SrPx> Can someone explain why/how that imgur tab has a clearly visible facebook shade below it? o.o http://o7.no/POUvjV
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  64. # [01:05] <justin_> anyone do grunge/band web design here?
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  324. # [06:09] <Richhh> any site/program that will 're-add' whitespace to html that has had its whitespace removed?
  325. # [06:09] <niggler> what does that mean Richhh?
  326. # [06:09] <niggler> you mean indenting?
  327. # [06:10] <niggler> vim and emacs both have plugins to do that
  328. # [06:10] <tw2113> intenting, line breaks
  329. # [06:10] <tw2113> tab indents :)
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  331. # [06:10] <Richhh> yep
  332. # [06:10] <Richhh> ok
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  338. # [06:15] <obert-> you can easily use enter and tab
  339. # [06:15] <obert-> if you got free weeks
  340. # [06:16] <obert-> ;)
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  342. # [06:17] <imsky> high five obert-
  343. # [06:18] <imsky> Richhh: google tabifier, it indents html for you just fine, also i can get you a version that does html5 tags
  344. # [06:18] <obert-> :)
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  359. # [06:45] <obert-> tab enter tab
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  442. # [09:29] <adelcampo> is there a way to force a numeric keyboard to show up but still allow non-numeric characters with HTML5 and javascript? input type=numeric will anly allow floating point numbers and not anything else. I need to be able to allow slashes
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  462. # [10:06] <Richhh> least-overhead way to 2d bar charts?
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  465. # [10:15] <Ufo13> guys, which would be the proper tags to use for some search results? Each result should be a section? Just a philosophical question bugging me :)
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  467. # [10:18] <Ufo13> or I was thinking of using this approach
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  469. # [10:18] <Ufo13> <li><details><summary>Result title</summary><p>description></details></li>
  470. # [10:18] <Ufo13> for each result..
  471. # [10:19] <webben> Ufo13: I'd suggest <li><h2>Result title</h2><p>description</p></li>
  472. # [10:19] <webben> client software has good support for navigating headings and lists
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  474. # [10:20] <webben> Ufo13: But there's nothing "semantically" wrong with your proposed pattern.
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  476. # [10:21] <webben> Ufo13: Google search results use <li><h3>title</h3><div>...</div></li> fwiw
  477. # [10:22] <Ufo13> webben: so there isn't really a "convenient" html5 solution here... I liked the automagic show/hide mechanism but it doesn't seem to work properly with bootstrap :(
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  480. # [10:25] <webben> Ufo13: Sounds like a problem with bootstrap more than anything else...
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  482. # [10:26] <Ufo13> well I realize now that summary is only supported by Chrome so far
  483. # [10:26] <webben> I'd question the utility of progressive disclosure of details in a search results interface fwiw.
  484. # [10:27] <webben> where the details is ... any details whatsoever
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  494. # [10:42] <Richhh> <meter>80%</meter>
  495. # [10:42] <Richhh> doesnt seem to work in Chrome
  496. # [10:42] <Richhh> meter shows empty (0%)
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  511. # [10:58] <Richhh> anyway i can define the meter attributes once for a single list of meter tags?
  512. # [10:58] <Richhh> otherwise seems a lot of repeated code
  513. # [10:58] <Richhh> i mean like min, max, low, high
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  529. # [11:18] <hemanth> Richhh, range tag?
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  588. # [12:57] <wingy> should the "name" attribute in the html form elements be localized or always in english?
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  590. # [12:58] <wingy> if screen readers are reading them then i guess they should be localized
  591. # [12:59] <wingy> but it seems like screen readers are reading the <label> value
  592. # [12:59] <Garbee> I'd go with localized tbh as long as the language is set in the HTML tag.
  593. # [13:00] <Garbee> Well name isn't read as mentioned, so I'd localize if you expect people to read the source, otherwise do as you pleae.
  594. # [13:00] <Garbee> please*
  595. # [13:00] <Garbee> I think for semantics though if it is a site for another language you should localize that.
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  653. # [14:20] <rezoner> Quick question --- http://rezoner.net/trash/literal_syntax_error.png --- why ?
  654. # [14:22] <xec> rezoner: { ... } directly in console would be a block, not an object literal
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  657. # [14:26] <xec> rezoner: try setting a var instead, like: var obj = {"x": 32}
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  659. # [14:30] <rezoner> xec: Thanks. I've embarassed myself with that question :)
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  715. # [16:06] <prudnikov> Hey guys, what is the reason of using such URL <script src="//raphaeljs.com/raphael.js"></script>, I mean without http, will it use https or https depending on what URL is opened?
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  721. # [16:09] <invisib> Hey guys, I'm new to HTML5 and trying to wrap my head around these semantic structural elements like figure, section, etc.
  722. # [16:09] <invisib> Is it okay to assign id's to these elements? Or are role's better? Or what?
  723. # [16:09] <invisib> Should I wrap my logo/nav in <header>? Should I wrap my masthead slider with <header>?
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  726. # [16:10] <invisib> Should I use <section><figure>Service 1</figure><figure>Service 2</figure></section> for a services section below my slider?
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  731. # [16:11] <invisib> Sorry, I know these are rapid fire questions, but I just want to get a feel for it in a real-world situation.
  732. # [16:11] <Garbee> Roles are for accessibility. You can assign ID's to them, but it is best not to unless you * need* to.
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  734. # [16:12] <Garbee> As far as the header tag you should put in the header tags whatever is in your header. The only thing is navigation should be wrapped in <nav> as well for semantics.
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  736. # [16:13] <Garbee> Nothing really special to the header, just think of how your page is structured and put in there what belongs. I personally put the menu into the header as well and stop there, then have content beginning on most setups.
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  739. # [16:14] <Garbee> As far as the slider stuff, it really depends on the structure around it how it should be tagged imho.
  740. # [16:14] <invisib> Is it okay to style <header> and such? I had a discussion with someone in here a few days ago and we agreed it's suitable since JS enables HTML5 elements for the majority of browsers, and only 2% of people don't have JS.
  741. # [16:15] <Jon47> invisib, ids are best used as unique identifiers - if you're trying to build a tab panel or something like that you'll probably need ids to properly correlate the tabs with the panels they are associated to. they are also good for js hooks since the DOM can be queried super fast for them, but obvs only if they are unique elements on the page...
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  743. # [16:16] <Garbee> invisib, Is is completely ok to style the header.
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  745. # [16:18] <invisib> But don't use ID's? What if I have multiple headers?
  746. # [16:18] <Garbee> Just use <header> again.
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  749. # [16:18] <Garbee> Just make sure it is within something that is a new section.
  750. # [16:18] <invisib> I mean, multiple headers I want styled differently?
  751. # [16:18] <invisib> Put headers in sections?
  752. # [16:19] <Garbee> Like <header>page header</header><div><article><header>Article Header</header><p>article content</p></header></article></div>
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  755. # [16:20] <Garbee> If you have multiple headers you want styled differently, then do it how you normally would. An ID or class.
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  758. # [16:20] <Jon47> if you have multiple headers you want styled differently, you should probably put an expressive class name on them, e.g <header class="awesome">, <header class="minimal">
  759. # [16:20] <Garbee> Same reason to not style div directly but target each one specifically.
  760. # [16:20] <invisib> Ok, so you're allowed to assign ID's to these new elements.
  761. # [16:20] <Garbee> Yes.
  762. # [16:20] <Garbee> Just like any other element.
  763. # [16:21] <Garbee> Except maybe some specific ones.
  764. # [16:21] <invisib> Ok, how about a role instead? :)
  765. # [16:21] <invisib> Since it's semantic and would allow me to style just the same
  766. # [16:21] <Garbee> role's are for *accessibility* only.
  767. # [16:21] <Garbee> You do not style them.
  768. # [16:21] <Jon47> invisb - class names are best used for assigning style
  769. # [16:21] <invisib> You can though
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  771. # [16:21] <Garbee> Screen readers.
  772. # [16:21] <Jon47> i wouldn't recommend using a role attribute to assign style
  773. # [16:21] <Garbee> ok, you *can* doesn't mean you *should*.
  774. # [16:22] <invisib> So like <header role="primary_nav"> [role="primary_nav"] { background:#000; } is bad juju?
  775. # [16:22] <Garbee> Yes.
  776. # [16:22] <Jon47> yeah def
  777. # [16:22] <Garbee> Plus primary_nav isn't a proper role.
  778. # [16:22] <Jon47> xpath selectors aren't the fastest, not that it matters much, it's more an issue of separation of concerns
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  781. # [16:23] <invisib> Is there a list of proper roles somewhere? I'm browsing W3 and can't find them.
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  783. # [16:24] <Jon47> try looking up WAI-ARIA
  784. # [16:25] <Garbee> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#document_structure_roles
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  787. # [16:28] <invisib> Ah, thank you very much guys
  788. # [16:28] <invisib> You've been a big help
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  913. # [17:45] <AR__> i tried using JWplayer
  914. # [17:45] <AR__> not working
  915. # [17:45] <AR__> any ideas?
  916. # [17:46] <AR__> i know the URL for the stream is correct because i can download it via a program called "StreamTransport"
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  1189. # [22:10] <AR__> so i'm trying to embed a remote live rtmp stream
  1190. # [22:10] <AR__> i tried using JWplayer
  1191. # [22:10] <AR__> not working
  1192. # [22:10] <AR__> any ideas?
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  1206. # [22:25] <Adawerk> AR: you use the jwplayer wizard ?
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  1210. # [22:26] <Adawerk> i found that to be a good place to debug my video deployment
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  1268. # [22:56] <AR__> Adawerk, where is jwplayer wizard
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  1271. # [22:57] <Adawerk> just google it, should be the first result
  1272. # [22:57] <AR__> k
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  1274. # [22:57] <Adawerk> if you can't get to your video from there, you know its a serving issue.
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  1276. # [23:00] <AR__> i can download the stream with rtmpdump
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  1282. # [23:05] <AR__> but i need to send extra parameters
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  1285. # [23:07] <Adawerk> that wizard seemed pretty robust when i used it and i can remember the option to add parameters that jw supports
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  1305. # [23:22] <AR__> nah i need to send connection parameters when it connects to the rtmp server i think
  1306. # [23:22] <AR__> i can only download from rtmpdump if i specify a few connection data options
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