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# [00:27] <quiliro> i have an embedded svg with some dots (rect), lines and images .... i need to make some of the dots pulse and then the pulsation then should include other dots around the first dots to pulse itogether at the same rate... the pulsation could be just change of color...... has anyone done something similar?
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# [04:41] <Ryan-> hi
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# [04:42] <Ryan-> How HTML 5 will replace flash, if it is impossible to create a web-radio player without flash
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# [04:43] <drewery_> I don't think HTML5 will be able to replace flash
# [04:43] <EHLOVader> silverlight will
# [04:43] <drewery_> why do you think so?
# [04:44] <Ryan-> I wanted to create a player for my radio in html 5, but it is impossible: \
# [04:46] <Ryan-> I'm having problems with the flash player because the streaming radio is stored in the client buffer, crashing the browser.
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# [04:49] <EHLOVader> what format were you streaming Ry
# [04:49] <EHLOVader> Ryan
# [04:49] <EHLOVader> Ryan-:
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# [04:52] <Ryan-> hi EHLOVader
# [04:53] <Ryan-> aacplus
# [04:53] <Ryan-> var stream = 'http://streaming11.maxcast.com.br:8224/live';
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# [04:54] <EHLOVader> hmm
# [04:54] <Ryan-> so.addVariable('file', stream+'%3Ftype%3D.flv');
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# [05:00] <Cat4D> is there a buffered websockets js manager that handles multiple streams with fallback to flash/etc ?
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# [05:25] <Cat4D> nothing but problems and criminal rackets for 20 years
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# [06:46] <tonna> I just found the source from a company that developed an HTML5 game and had to give up on it because of bugs. They have a hundred employees and who knows how much time/effort was put into their work. That said, it makes for a great 'What not to do'. XD Monster island.
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# [12:50] <arietis> can anyone explain me what's the point to use <h3></h2> tags instead of similar ones?
# [12:51] <arietis> is it designer error?
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# [12:51] <arietis> w3c validator says so
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# [12:53] <_shorinji_> unmatched tags make no sense
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# [12:54] <arietis> _shorinji_: indeed
# [12:54] <arietis> i just thought i'm missing something and there are new rules of using tags
# [12:55] <arietis> :D
# [12:55] <_shorinji_> hehe, nope
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# [13:45] <arietis> wonder what's level of developer which made 95 errors on 1 page according to validator
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# [14:03] <xec_> "overly creative"?
# [14:04] <_shorinji_> or just not conforming to anyone's standard but his own
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# [14:04] <arietis> i wouldn't hire him
# [14:05] <arietis> would be cool to have analog of app store for sites so it's allowed to publish only after validation
# [14:07] <Garbee> arietis, That would break some other things like Google's Pagespeed.
# [14:07] <_shorinji_> not to mention censorship
# [14:07] <Garbee> I use Pagespeed and due to some of the javascript rewriting it does it doesn't validate.
# [14:07] <Garbee> Why should my site be punished for Google dev's not making the output of their plugin validate?
# [14:07] <Garbee> Plus it doesn't affect performance in that case.
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# [14:29] <SumolAnanas> hello world. I'm observing a strange behavior on offline cache on firefox 15.0.1 when using a cache manifest
# [14:29] <SumolAnanas> I'm starting to have multiple entries for the same files declared on a manifest. when I look at about:cache?device=offline
# [14:29] <SumolAnanas> I have 3... 4... 5 entries to the exact same files.
# [14:30] <SumolAnanas> I can't find enough information to see if its a bug, or if I'm just not using the manifest properly.
# [14:30] <SumolAnanas> does someone has any sort of insight?
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# [15:25] <hackeron> hey, quick question, I'm designing a site - what do you guys look better, the one on the left or the one on the right? < http://itstar.co.uk/Comparison.png - specifically things like the text caption under the slideshow and icons on the top right, font colours/sizes/weight?
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# [15:35] <EHLOVader> left, but you can brighten the colors up the same as you have done on the right...
# [15:35] <EHLOVader> hackeron: you on forrst?
# [15:35] <EHLOVader> was anyone on here on forrst... it is perfect for this sort of thing.. critiques and demoing
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# [15:35] <hackeron> EHLOVader: what's forrst?
# [15:35] <EHLOVader> new design and code
# [15:36] <EHLOVader> http://forrst.com/posts
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# [15:36] <hackeron> EHLOVader: ah, thanks, will try that :) - so you prefer the login/live demo and text on the left compared to the simpler icons on the right?
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# [15:38] <EHLOVader> I like the text on the left... below the featured content.. I like the consistent color choices on the tabs. I think that having the contact info one less click away is great, I don't care about the live demo, or the different icons... I think that for the tabs you may benefit from using the green from right, for current tab, and orange like on left for all others
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# [15:39] <EHLOVader> I think that the icons from the header may be nicer and cleaner to include on the left... but still keep the contact info available on that page, instead of hidden one page deeper into the site
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# [15:39] <EHLOVader> I like the brighter oranges, and greens on the right, vs the dull and muddied ones on the left
# [15:41] <EHLOVader> also the bullets for the gallery on the left seem less out of place than the ones on the right, which have an inconsistent background and appear more like system radio buttons.
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# [15:47] <hackeron> EHLOVader: thanks, that is most helpful :)
# [15:48] <hackeron> EHLOVader: I think to remove the demo link from the right and put it as one of the tabs (also, re-design the tabs to take less space), that way the top won't be so busy
# [15:48] <hackeron> EHLOVader: I light the bright colour on the right, but it makes the text a bit muddy, maybe there should be a compromise or a less busy background, hmmm
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# [18:27] <quiliro> hello....i have found css transitions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/Using_CSS_transitions
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# [18:31] <quiliro> i have an html with embedded svg which has some dots (rect), lines and images .... i need to make some of the dots pulse and then the pulsation should include other dots around the first dots to pulse together at the same rate... the pulsation could be just change of color...... has anyone done something similar?
# [18:31] <quiliro> i can see the above transitions work with hover
# [18:32] <quiliro> is there a way that hover iis not needed?
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# [18:32] <quiliro> i am refering to the web link i gave
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# [18:33] <quiliro> i just need the transitions to appear when the page is openned
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# [18:33] <quiliro> also ii need the transitions to affect the dots and not the text
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# [20:52] <mykul> hello, is there a way to resize a canvas element without clearing its contents? or have a canvas with an indeterminate width?
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# [20:53] <moo-_-> mykul: you mean pixel dimensions or CSS dimensions?
# [20:54] <mykul> moo-_-, pixel, i'm actually using node-canvas
# [20:55] <moo-_-> mykul: create new canvas with different dimensions, blit the contents of old canvas there, replace old canvas with new canvas
# [20:56] <moo-_-> mykul: pixel buffer allocation is tied to width and height parameters, so there is no way to know what should happen if you change the dimensions of internal buffer
# [20:56] <moo-_-> so you need to handle it yourself
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# [20:57] <mykul> moo-_-: i see, maybe i can write a wrapper FluidCanvas or something that resizes itself if it gets too full, or if one tries to draw outside its bounds
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# [20:58] <moo-_-> mykul: depending on your final canvas size that might be little cumbersome operations
# [20:58] <moo-_-> mykul: how many pixels you are going to allocate+
# [20:58] <moo-_-> ?
# [20:59] <mykul> moo-_-: it depends, i'm generating a waveform image from an audio stream, and I cannot know the length before hand
# [20:59] <moo-_-> mykul: I suggest you do tiles
# [20:59] <moo-_-> little bit like Google map
# [21:00] <moo-_-> mykul: also it is not sensible to create canvas outright from the data
# [21:00] <moo-_-> buffer data in an typed array
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# [21:00] <moo-_-> then paint the canvas on demand depending on the scroll position and zoom level
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# [21:01] <mykul> moo-_-: okay thanks for you help :)
# [21:01] <moo-_-> mykul: also there might be libraries doing it
# [21:01] <moo-_-> I opened SO question long time ago
# [21:01] <moo-_-> mykul: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11677246/drawing-zoomable-audio-waveform-timeline-in-javascript
# [21:02] <moo-_-> please note that all answes are crap
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# [21:52] <voodootikigod> hi all, I am trying to trigger audio in mobile chrome (specifically on a nexus 7) without a user action
# [21:52] <voodootikigod> any thoughts/ideas?
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# [22:00] <moo-_-> voodootikigod: some mobile browsers (iOS notable) prevent it
# [22:00] <moo-_-> only user action can trigger playnack
# [22:01] <moo-_-> as chrome is based on webkit it probably does the same
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# [22:01] <moo-_-> web audio api could have better results
# [22:01] <moo-_-> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webaudio/intro/
# [22:01] <moo-_-> otherwise you cannot make HTML5 games for mobile
# [22:02] <voodootikigod> i actually have it working on mobilesafari
# [22:02] <voodootikigod> which is strange
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# [22:02] <moo-_-> voodootikigod: iOS 6?
# [22:04] <voodootikigod> haven't tried 6
# [22:04] <voodootikigod> but did on 5
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# [22:24] <David_Bradbury> Well, sure you could make HTML5 games, it just wouldn't have sound :p
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# [22:30] <voodootikigod> haha
# [22:30] <voodootikigod> also crappy for a notification system :)
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# [22:47] <mcmlxxix> anyone have suggestions on scaling a series of canvas layers to a div or browser dimensions?
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# [22:59] <Richhh> my problem http://jsfiddle.net/Z3ETY/3/
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# [23:08] <pskosinski> Can I ask question because I am too lazy to use Google? :x
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# [23:10] <pskosinski> I wonder is there is any video format which I can use and it will work in Firefox/Chrome/Opera/Safari
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# [23:15] <Richhh> pskosinski as far as I know, there is no single video format that will work across all of those browsers
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# [23:15] <pskosinski> Still. :(
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# [23:17] <Richhh> you can put multiple videos in a video tag, of course, with various formats
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# [23:17] <kendooo> can i share my html5 video site ? :D i want to get some feedback
# [23:17] <Richhh> or you could use flash / youtube / vimeo / youtube api
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# [23:18] <Richhh> ok kendooo
# [23:18] <kendooo> http://142.4.196.242
# [23:18] <kendooo> its a youtube type of site, but uploading through bittorrent :D
# [23:18] <kendooo> only WebM support right now
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# [23:22] <tw2113> yeah, i don't foresee the video format issue going away any time soon
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# [23:23] <kendooo> only apple does not support VP8
# [23:23] <superjoe> when does IE10 get released, for real?
# [23:24] <superjoe> like, when do IE9 users get it shoved down their throats?
# [23:24] <kendooo> is it not installed on windows 8 already
# [23:24] <superjoe> what about for windows 7
# [23:24] <superjoe> is windows 7 stuck at IE9?
# [23:24] <kendooo> install oepra 12, its really fast right now much faster then firefox
# [23:24] <superjoe> I don't want to use IE10
# [23:24] <superjoe> I want to know when I can stop supporting IE9
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# [23:25] <tw2113> i think IE10 is win8 only
# [23:25] <tw2113> IE has a horrible time ditching any version
# [23:25] <Richhh> kendooo seems good, the video controls are a bit oddly positioned
# [23:25] <tw2113> so it's mostly up to you when you want to stop, and how many visitors you want to leave behind
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# [23:26] <Richhh> watching my sassy girl now lol
# [23:26] <kendooo> Richhh, yes i think that too but its from firefox
# [23:26] <superjoe> hmm you're right
# [23:26] <superjoe> damn that blows
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# [23:26] <kendooo> i think maybe i can increase the height that would fix that i think
# [23:26] <Richhh> ok im using chrome
# [23:26] <superjoe> 99.5% of our IE users for our startup are IE9 and below.
# [23:27] <tw2113> with how many people are still on XP, you're not losing IE8 any time soon
# [23:27] <tw2113> so honestly?check your analytics and see what sort of traffic you have
# [23:27] <kendooo> xp is really great, but I'm waiting for a stable elementary os :D
# [23:27] <tw2113> if you can realistically drop it, that's your call
# [23:27] <superjoe> tw2113, actually, IE8 is < 5% of our users
# [23:28] <tw2113> then you could probably be fine with IE9+
# [23:28] <superjoe> yeah
# [23:28] <superjoe> but I'm afraid IE10+ is not coming for a while :(
# [23:28] <tw2113> whenever Win8 drops is my guess
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# [23:33] <manuchill> iirc win8 release is scheduled for this month
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# [23:36] <Richhh> still no answer on this http://jsfiddle.net/Z3ETY/3/
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