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  10. # [00:10] <Hackwar> hi folks, I have a classified ad page with the details of the ad and now I'm wondering what the correct semantic syntax is for the data. I got stuff like rent, size, adress and I was wondering if that belongs into a <dl> structure or in a list or table or...
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  71. # [02:09] <Danguafer> would someone help me with the gamepad API?
  72. # [02:09] <Danguafer> I don't get this interacted-with requesite
  73. # [02:10] <Danguafer> when the controller are considered interacted-with? getGamepads()[0] (I'm using webkit) is always undefined
  74. # [02:10] <Danguafer> is considered* :)
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  81. # [02:24] <Danguafer> someone, plz? :( this is kinda urgent
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  83. # [02:26] <jarek> Danguafer: I guess gamepad API is not very popular
  84. # [02:26] <jarek> I haven't even heard about it
  85. # [02:27] <Danguafer> :/
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  95. # [02:46] <narcarsiss> does HTML5 have an issue with using two classes in an element?
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  97. # [02:48] <Garbee> narcarsiss, If it does it is broken beyond repair.
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  99. # [02:49] <Garbee> ID's are limited to one per element. Classes are as many as you like, but if you break the browser (except Opera) by using 256 or more you are doing it wrong.
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  112. # [03:00] <narcarsiss> no you see the W3C validator give me this error " Duplicate attribute class [HTML5]" on this line of code <a class="active" class="smoothScroll" href="#p2_header"></a>
  113. # [03:01] <narcarsiss> totally breaks my javascript
  114. # [03:01] <narcarsiss> sample of the site is here: http://www.everythingillegal.com.au/Storage/site1
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  122. # [03:19] <mike5w3c> narcarsiss: yeah multiple class attributes are not valid
  123. # [03:19] <mike5w3c> but you know you can put multiple values in one class attribute
  124. # [03:20] <mike5w3c> e.g., class="active smoothScroll"
  125. # [03:22] <narcarsiss> No i did not know that. i will test.
  126. # [03:23] <narcarsiss> no comma just a space? name1, name 2, name3
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  131. # [03:33] <narcarsiss> well wadda'ya know it worked :)
  132. # [03:33] <narcarsiss> thankyou mike5w3c
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  173. # [04:41] <clu3> guys i'm trying to use canvas getImageData but the url is on another domain and firefox raises "SecurityError: The operation is insecure" error. Is there a way to force canvas to allow getting image from remote server?
  174. # [04:42] <narcarsiss> store image on your local server?
  175. # [04:43] <mike5w3c> clu3: CORS
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  177. # [04:43] <clu3> narcarsiss, thanks but that's not ok for me performance-wise
  178. # [04:43] <mike5w3c> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/cors/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
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  181. # [04:45] <mike5w3c> http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2010/05/25/cross-domain-ajax-with-cross-origin-resource-sharing/
  182. # [04:45] <clu3> mike5w3c, thanks i came across that word but not exactly sure what it is. Quick skimming and i think it's a policy set by the other server?
  183. # [04:45] <mike5w3c> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/html5/articles/understanding-cross-origin-resource-sharing-cors.html
  184. # [04:45] <mike5w3c> clu3: yes
  185. # [04:45] <clu3> then it's not ok for me, i'm loading images from fb :(
  186. # [04:46] <mike5w3c> clu3: so you need to set up a proxy on your own server if you can
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  189. # [04:46] <mike5w3c> simple proxy, less than 10 lines of code
  190. # [04:47] <mike5w3c> you send your image requests to that proxy and it then makes the requests to fb
  191. # [04:48] <mike5w3c> or use the fb api instead of just getting the images directly
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  193. # [04:49] <clu3> mike5w3c, i'm not so familiar but the proxy, afaik can be done in my server's .htaccess ?
  194. # [04:49] <mike5w3c> I'd assume fb's api has some way to deal with getting images
  195. # [04:49] <mike5w3c> clu3: no, you'd need to write in php or ruby or python or whatever server-side stuff is available on the server
  196. # [04:50] <clu3> mike5w3c, oh i see
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  198. # [04:50] <clu3> got it
  199. # [04:51] <clu3> using fb api doesn't help i'd think. the fb image is displayed on my site and now i need some "magic" (using pixastic) to blend, add effects to the image
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  202. # [04:51] <clu3> so as long as the image is on my server, fine but if it's fb image, i'm dead
  203. # [04:56] <clu3> mike5w3c, there's no way to force the canvas to allow it?
  204. # [05:03] <narcarsiss> would html5 canvas be the best option to render rain drops on a webpage? or better to use javascript?
  205. # [05:03] <mike5w3c> clu3: no
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  254. # [07:38] <ant_innit> html canvas is shit
  255. # [07:38] <ant_innit> dont bother
  256. # [07:38] <ant_innit> designed by a bunch of fools imo
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  264. # [07:46] <hemanth> ant_innit, hmm justify!
  265. # [07:46] <ant_innit> really, have u tried it?
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  275. # [08:07] <narcarsiss> ant_innit: i feel your lack of understanding is making you feel this way about it?
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  278. # [08:09] <hemanth> narcarsiss, yes
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  280. # [08:11] <narcarsiss> i dont have the math skills to bother trying it out :(
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  326. # [09:30] <ant_innit> oh i understand
  327. # [09:31] <ant_innit> webgl is cool, canvas is fail- always was.
  328. # [09:32] <ant_innit> anyway, i don't mind html5, is what it is.
  329. # [09:33] <ant_innit> seems to be design by engineers for engineers.
  330. # [09:33] <ant_innit> pretending its for design
  331. # [09:33] <ant_innit> sorry i'm venting :)
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  334. # [09:37] * mr_lou likes canvas......
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  346. # [09:51] <_shorinji_> nothing like a constructive monologue
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  448. # [14:05] <granden> Hello, anyone here who have used uploadifive? The HTML5 multi-file upload? Got some problems with it. Says everything is uploadde complete and when checking the directory on the server it is empty.
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  482. # [15:02] <narcarsiss> with html5 forms when i email my self it come accross word+word+word$email@address.com&message any way to easily clean this up
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  484. # [15:03] <moo-_-> narcarsiss: you are using some sort of form to mail gateway?
  485. # [15:03] <moo-_-> narcarsiss: it is not issue of HTML5 forms, but server-side software you are using
  486. # [15:04] <narcarsiss> no its on the local system
  487. # [15:04] <moo-_-> narcarsiss: but you still need a processor
  488. # [15:04] <moo-_-> or are you doing it mailto: link?
  489. # [15:05] <narcarsiss> yes that.
  490. # [15:05] <moo-_-> narcarsiss: then the solutoin is to get a server-side form to mail gateway
  491. # [15:05] <narcarsiss> ok cheers :)
  492. # [15:05] <moo-_-> or write form handling code in your favorite programming language
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  494. # [15:07] <narcarsiss> no thankyou :) i'll just use my isp's email gateway :) this is what i was working on :) http://www.everythingillegal.com.au/Storage/site1/ and http://www.everythingillegal.com.au/Storage/site2/ Night
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  521. # [15:45] <quiliro> i have an embedded svg with some dots (rect), lines and images .... i need to make some of the dots blink and then the bliinking should include other dots around the first dots to blink together at the same rate... the blinkiing could be just change of color...... has anyone done something similar? blink, blink, blink
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  523. # [15:46] <_shorinji_> usually blinking content gives webdevs shivers :)
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  531. # [15:54] <Garbee> Haha, I forgot about <blink>
  532. # [15:54] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, I was wondering what would be the most semantically correct way to mark up a custom button not related to a form that triggers some events in JS. Would it be best to use and button type input, and change the default image with CSS, or use an <img> tag?
  533. # [15:56] <_shorinji_> <button type='button'/> or <a/> I would use
  534. # [15:57] <DeltaHeavy> _shorinji_: Oh man I had no idea about this tag. Will it work in IE8+ and all other major browsers?
  535. # [15:58] <_shorinji_> yup
  536. # [15:59] <_shorinji_> think both have pretty decent semantics for accessibility as well
  537. # [15:59] <DeltaHeavy> Ok thanks. I think <button> is exactly the tag I'm looking for. Had no idea it existed until now, previously I was just using <img>
  538. # [16:00] <_shorinji_> ah
  539. # [16:03] <DeltaHeavy> Is it possible to change the image of the button? I'm not sure if it's not possible or if most people who make guides on the internet have no idea what they're doing.
  540. # [16:04] <_shorinji_> <button> can have tags inside it
  541. # [16:04] <_shorinji_> people often use spans
  542. # [16:04] <Pomax> quiliro: jQuery that SVG sucker =)
  543. # [16:04] <_shorinji_> think it might be all stylable
  544. # [16:04] <DeltaHeavy> _shorinji_: I have an image of what the button is suppose to be. I don't want the default system button to be there at all, but rather this customized image.
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  547. # [16:04] <_shorinji_> sure
  548. # [16:05] <Pomax> button is as stylable as all other tags, you can change the image using a CSS background.
  549. # [16:05] <Pomax> also, no need for type="button". types are only necessary for <input>
  550. # [16:05] <DeltaHeavy> Ok, I'll try out background-image then. No idea why all the top hits for HTML advice are so crappy on google -_-
  551. # [16:05] <_shorinji_> in our system we just have <button class='SubmitButton'>… and it looks completely different
  552. # [16:05] <DeltaHeavy> Pomax: Ok thanks
  553. # [16:05] <Pomax> DeltaHeavy: do they come from w3schools?
  554. # [16:05] <DeltaHeavy> Pomax: I exclude that from search results
  555. # [16:05] <_shorinji_> some guy said type='button' prevented a bug in some browser
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  558. # [16:06] <DeltaHeavy> I think I'll keep the type attribute then and if it works it works assuming without it there may be some bug I have no ide about.
  559. # [16:06] <DeltaHeavy> Thanks for the help guys!
  560. # [16:06] <DeltaHeavy> WAY more helpful than #html :p
  561. # [16:06] <_shorinji_> hehe, yw, good luck
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  565. # [16:10] <Pomax> DeltaHeavy there's nothing to keep, the button element HAS no type attribute =)
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  567. # [16:10] <Pomax> it's already a button. because it's <button>, it's not an input element that needs a type indicator
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  569. # [16:11] <DeltaHeavy> Ok, I'll take your word for it. Thanks
  570. # [16:12] <Pomax> here
  571. # [16:12] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/sYpjZ/
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  574. # [16:15] <Pomax> note that not all the CSS I used there works in IE8, but those are cosmetic mostly. <button> even works in IE7. At least, according to compatibility mode
  575. # [16:17] <moo-_-> Pomax: button has some issues
  576. # [16:18] <moo-_-> older IEs did not submit button value correctly
  577. # [16:18] <moo-_-> I am not sure was it IE6 or IE7
  578. # [16:19] <Pomax> probably both
  579. # [16:20] <Pomax> I still say "with microsoft running http://www.ie6countdown.com, don't develop for ie6. Or charge double for making a separate IE6 thing that has nothing to do with what you make for the real world"
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  581. # [16:21] <asher^> dropping ie6 support is justified, the only people on it are people that have gone out of their way to change default update settings
  582. # [16:22] <Pomax> it's justified, but that doesn't mean there aren't critical systems that will keep depending on it for intranet applications for which the organisations are too large to say "let's finally switch to html5" until they suffered a monetary loss due to IE6
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  584. # [16:23] <Pomax> (or have a change of the guards)
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  617. # [16:50] <moo-_-> they or us
  618. # [16:50] <moo-_-> better be they
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  664. # [17:42] <defaultro_> hi folks, I need some help. I've been trying to search for an html5 canvas code that will allow me to drag connecting points of a line so I can change the shape of the line(not curve). However, I cannot find an example code. I found one earlier but it was bezier curve
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  670. # [17:54] <defaultro_> anyone please?
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  702. # [18:34] <moo-_-> defaultro_: if you do any drag operations on canvas check out kinaticjs
  703. # [18:34] <moo-_-> kineticjs
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  705. # [18:36] <defaultro_> thanks!
  706. # [18:37] <defaultro_> is kineticjs part of html5?
  707. # [18:38] <defaultro_> looks like it's a separate api
  708. # [18:39] <tw2113> i would guess so
  709. # [18:39] <tw2113> the html5 spec wouldn't make frameworks to work with canvas
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  714. # [18:44] <WebDragon> http://tinypic.com/r/qwx9u9/6 I plan to use this: http://css-tricks.com/better-tabs-with-round-out-borders/ instead of images for the tabs, but I'm still a little iffy on how to vertically align the text if it breaks into two lines as in the tinypic
  715. # [18:44] <WebDragon> anyone have suggestions with regards to this?
  716. # [18:45] <WebDragon> would REALLY prefer not to use images if at all possible
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  718. # [18:46] <WebDragon> I'd really like to see a vertical-align: centerline sort of feature in css that would apply to elements that are not table elements
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  722. # [18:48] <WebDragon> is table-cell really the only way?
  723. # [18:49] <moo-_-> WebDragon: table-cell is the proper way. You might push your luck with flexbox, but it has bad compatibility track record currently
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  725. # [18:50] <WebDragon> I'm really surprised kinda, that this vertically aligning of things was not addressed as part of css3
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  727. # [18:50] <moo-_-> flexbox addresses it
  728. # [18:50] <WebDragon> other than its compatibility track record? :)
  729. # [18:50] <moo-_-> but I think they are still discussing about the final spec
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  731. # [18:50] <Garbee> Yea.
  732. # [18:50] <WebDragon> mmm
  733. # [18:51] <moo-_-> and of course, there is always Microsof
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  736. # [18:51] <moo-_-> so just take your table-cell for now as granted :)
  737. # [18:51] <Garbee> iirc Chrome has a partial implimentation currently and IE is working on one as well (if it isn't already partially done in IE10)
  738. # [18:51] <Garbee> ^^for fluxbox.
  739. # [18:51] <WebDragon> you're referring to this: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/ correct?
  740. # [18:52] <WebDragon> Garbee: fluxbox is a window manager for *nix
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  742. # [18:52] <moo-_-> WebDragon: yes
  743. # [18:52] <Garbee> Yea, Flexbox is what I was thinking of. I type flux out of habbit sometimes.
  744. # [18:52] <WebDragon> hm how did I overlook the fluxbox info before this
  745. # [18:53] <WebDragon> flex
  746. # [18:53] <WebDragon> now you have ME doing it
  747. # [18:53] <WebDragon> ! *shakes fist*
  748. # [18:53] <Garbee> Yea, see how easy it is?
  749. # [18:53] * WebDragon headdesks
  750. # [18:53] <Garbee> I hate it when I do it because my head won't autocorrect like it normally does.
  751. # [18:53] <WebDragon> hehe
  752. # [18:54] <WebDragon> but there's no consistent support across all browsers at this time in their present releases
  753. # [18:54] <Garbee> http://caniuse.com/#search=flex --10 does have some support... Prefixed, ugh.
  754. # [18:54] <tw2113> flux flex flux flex flux flex flux flex flux flex
  755. # [18:54] <Garbee> Nope, prefixed among the ones that do.
  756. # [18:54] <WebDragon> blah @ prefixes
  757. # [18:54] <WebDragon> blah @ validator barfing at prefixes
  758. # [18:54] <WebDragon> validator should ignore vendor prefixes
  759. # [18:55] <Garbee> Seriously here we go... we need -exp- for experimental features. Anything that browsers want to be a standard should use a vendor prefix, but anything already drafted just needs completion should use -exp- or something similar.
  760. # [18:55] <WebDragon> it totally screws up the ability to add "valid html+css" links at the bottom of some pages because of all the spurious warnings
  761. # [18:55] <rmill> WebDragon: if you care about validation, just add the prefixed CSS stuffs via JS/DOM
  762. # [18:55] <Garbee> WebDragon, Who cares about valid links like that.
  763. # [18:55] <rmill> lawlerskates
  764. # [18:55] <Garbee> ?*
  765. # [18:55] <WebDragon> I do
  766. # [18:56] <tw2113> valid css+html notices are overrated :P
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  768. # [18:56] <Garbee> Way overrated and so 1990.
  769. # [18:56] <WebDragon> it's really nice sometimes being able to show particular clients how clean your work is compared with others :P
  770. # [18:56] <WebDragon> even so
  771. # [18:56] <Garbee> WebDragon, Sometimes the best work isn't clean.
  772. # [18:56] <Garbee> Like IE fixes.
  773. # [18:56] <Garbee> Never clean.
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  775. # [18:56] <Garbee> But needed.
  776. # [18:56] <tw2113> clients care?
  777. # [18:56] <rmill> WebDragon: Where is the validator barfing? I didn't think those things validated DOM nodes...
  778. # [18:56] <WebDragon> but also it's hard to tell when your stuff IS invalid because of ALL THE SPURIOUS WARNINGS
  779. # [18:56] <rmill> Just markup, non?
  780. # [18:56] <rmill> HTML/CSS
  781. # [18:56] <WebDragon> css validator, rmill
  782. # [18:56] <tw2113> Joe Client won't know what you're talking about
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  784. # [18:57] <Garbee> WebDragon, So code to standard and then validate, once valid run through prefixr.
  785. # [18:57] <WebDragon> tw2113: it's also about ME caring when I'm debugging something
  786. # [18:57] <rmill> WebDragon: ya - so you could add those css thingies via JS
  787. # [18:57] <WebDragon> and can't find the right error message in all the noise
  788. # [18:57] <rmill> and "trick" the validator
  789. # [18:57] <rmill> if you care that much.
  790. # [18:57] <rmill> again, dumb
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  792. # [18:57] <tw2113> there are some validation errors you really should worry about
  793. # [18:57] <tw2113> like missing div tags
  794. # [18:57] <WebDragon> rmill: what and browser-sniff so I know WHICH ones to add?
  795. # [18:57] <rmill> but doable.
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  797. # [18:57] <tw2113> but some are just fluff
  798. # [18:57] <rmill> WebDragon: nope, just add em'
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  800. # [18:58] <WebDragon> I'd rather just be able to add them and have the css validator ignore the vendorprefixes
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  802. # [18:59] <tw2113> Line 144, Column 253: Bad value category tag for attribute rel on element a: Keyword category is not registered.
  803. # [18:59] <WebDragon> it's not an issue if it does and no one will care
  804. # [18:59] <tw2113> validation error that i'd solve if i was bored or had a few minutes
  805. # [18:59] <tw2113> same with & did not start a character reference.
  806. # [19:00] <WebDragon> it's just so much harder to debug with such a low signal to noise ratio
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  808. # [19:01] <WebDragon> so to ask the question the other way around, why SHOULDN'T the css validator ignore vendor prefixes?
  809. # [19:01] <WebDragon> or better yet give me a switch
  810. # [19:02] <Jayflux> WebDragon I really wouldn't worry yourself too much about css validation.
  811. # [19:02] <Garbee> WebDragon, Because if the CSS validator ignored things then it could ignore something that would actually cause a problem.
  812. # [19:02] <Garbee> Report all or nothing.
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  814. # [19:02] <WebDragon> give me a switch to GROUP warnings about vendor prefixes then
  815. # [19:02] <Garbee> #css topic puts it best... " aiming for 100% validation in your css is generally counter productive "
  816. # [19:03] <WebDragon> well it is now what with all the vendor prefixes clouding things up
  817. # [19:03] <WebDragon> it was easier when you could just put IE fixes in condcoms and not need hacks anymore
  818. # [19:03] <WebDragon> then all of a sudden vendorprefixes everywhere and foom
  819. # [19:04] <WebDragon> it's easy to see what LED to such a comment, whereas PRIOR to that, you couldn't even get HELPED in the #css channel unless you were html/css validated
  820. # [19:04] <WebDragon> used to be validate first, clean, then ask why it's broken
  821. # [19:05] <Garbee> *Used* to be.... Look at your calendar. It is 2012.
  822. # [19:07] <tw2113> i stopped using IE hacks years ago
  823. # [19:07] <tw2113> i go with the IE specific class method
  824. # [19:08] <Garbee> http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
  825. # [19:08] <Garbee> tbh I'm upset Bootstrap doesn't do that.
  826. # [19:09] <Garbee> I'd love for it to do that, but I understand why they use hacks over classes.
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  843. # [19:20] <moo-_-> Garbee: event better add that class with Javascript?
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  845. # [19:23] <Garbee> moo-_-, Not sure. I'd rather not use JS tbh since that is so simple to do in HTML and it doesn't take much cycles client-side. Then again neither would JS for something so simple, but if you defer js you would need to also make sure the js went off on schedule.
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  850. # [19:24] <moo-_-> Garbee: yes it is compromise whether you want to keep your mark up clean or keep your world JS free
  851. # [19:25] <Garbee> moo-_-, And also if you defer js if you want to take the time to make sure it goes off at the right time.
  852. # [19:25] <Garbee> I use Pagespeed, not sure how I would tell it to just let that one snippet go off on-time.
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  855. # [19:26] <moo-_-> Garbee: of course, the proper solution were that CSS exposes this information as pseudo-selectors
  856. # [19:26] <moo-_-> div:ie9 { ... }
  857. # [19:26] <moo-_-> or something along the lines
  858. # [19:26] <moo-_-> media expression
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  860. # [19:27] <Garbee> Yea, I'm just in the "don't go fixing what already works" camp, and the if IE statements work to add classes, so no need to go changing it up now.
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  862. # [19:27] <moo-_-> Garbee: yes
  863. # [19:27] <moo-_-> and if you need to add classes for *ie only* then the ultimate proper solution would be getting rid of IE
  864. # [19:28] <moo-_-> :)
  865. # [19:28] <Garbee> I'm so deep in that camp... but must restrain from sexual joke.
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  867. # [19:29] <moo-_-> let's wait and maybe someone else cracks a joke for you ;)
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  948. # [20:56] <todun> any good interview questions for a newbie to html5?
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  952. # [20:59] <Garbee> What is the difference between <article> and <section>?
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  955. # [21:02] <AphelionZ> can anybody with canvas expertise take a quick look at http://codepen.io/aphelionz/pen/alJCg and tell me why the second shark's right fin isnt affected? http://codepen.io/aphelionz/pen/alJCg
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  958. # [21:09] <tw2113> that's rude and a potential trick question Garbee :P
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  966. # [21:12] <Garbee> tw2113, That is the point...
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  995. # [21:54] <moo-_-> what was the native HTML5 subtitle feature called?
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  1006. # [22:15] <Pomax> modernrob, webvtt?
  1007. # [22:15] <Pomax> ...no
  1008. # [22:15] <Pomax> moo-_-: ^
  1009. # [22:15] <Pomax> tab complete =_=
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  1011. # [22:16] <moo-_-> now WTF? http://antarcticjs.com/
  1012. # [22:16] <moo-_-> I want ^_^
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  1023. # [22:22] <Pomax> O_o
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  1028. # [22:30] <tw2113> such a detailed site
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  1030. # [22:34] <BalthaTczar> Can anyone tell me if its possible to load an external html document inside a div tag ?
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  1032. # [22:37] <moo-_-> tw2113: check out twitter
  1033. # [22:38] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: only if the server co-operatas
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  1037. # [22:42] <tw2113> which part moo-_- ?
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  1039. # [22:46] <BalthaTczar> moo-_-, It could be done by using an iframe right ?
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  1041. # [22:48] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: with iframe, but you don't know the content site
  1042. # [22:48] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: AJAX would be the optimal solution
  1043. # [22:48] <moo-_-> with iframe you cannot style the content yourself
  1044. # [22:48] <moo-_-> and iframe is pretty much the only way if the server does not co-operate
  1045. # [22:49] <moo-_-> another trick is to proxy the AJAX page loads via your own sevrer
  1046. # [22:49] <BalthaTczar> i want to embed an exported flash animation (flash to html/javascript) so i could view it on an ipad
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  1049. # [22:50] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: you cannot host it locally?
  1050. # [22:51] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: if it's animation you simply convert it to video and play back via <video> tag
  1051. # [22:51] <moo-_-> if no interactivity is needed
  1052. # [22:51] <BalthaTczar> mm thats a good idea
  1053. # [22:51] <BalthaTczar> didn't think of that
  1054. # [22:52] <BalthaTczar> yeah sure i can host it locally
  1055. # [22:52] <BalthaTczar> i mean an external html document embedded in another
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  1057. # [22:55] <BalthaTczar> Also on an ipad scrollbars seem not to be visible
  1058. # [22:55] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: was iframes are much hassle
  1059. # [22:55] <moo-_-> avoid them if possible
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  1061. # [22:59] <BalthaTczar> alright thnx .. think i've figured it out now
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  1063. # [23:01] <quiliro> any forum i could seek for information about how to make elements inside svg tag to blink ?
  1064. # [23:02] <quiliro> in groups
  1065. # [23:02] <BalthaTczar> one other thing .. what video format should i use for both IOS and desktop browsers .. as not everybody has installed quicktime is there an universal format that works on all platforms ?
  1066. # [23:02] <quiliro> the way chriistmas lights bliink
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  1069. # [23:04] <quiliro> found this <animate attributeType="CSS" attributeName="opacity" from="1" to="0" dur="5s" repeatCount="indefinite" />
  1070. # [23:07] <quiliro> BalthaTczar: webm ?
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  1080. # [23:28] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: you need two encodings
  1081. # [23:28] <moo-_-> there is no universal format
  1082. # [23:28] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: check the channel topic diveintohtml5 link
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  1084. # [23:32] <BalthaTczar> ok
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  1088. # [23:38] <Garbee> BalthaTczar, Quicktime is not the only factor (or any as far as I can tell), it is the actual codec support by the browsers themselves. You should use h.264, with a webm or theora fallback, followed by a flash fallback for any non-supporting browsers.
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  1090. # [23:39] <Garbee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Browser_support
  1091. # [23:41] <moo-_-> BalthaTczar: actually flowplayer 5.0 (recently released)
  1092. # [23:41] <moo-_-> is HTML5 first, flash fallback
  1093. # [23:41] <moo-_-> you might check out it
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  1095. # [23:42] <BalthaTczar> i will
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