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  4. # [00:00] <David_Bradbury> Well, to be fair, they are moving away from Flash in general :)
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  9. # [00:05] <moo-_-> uf0_work: why I would upload files to anywhere?
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  11. # [00:06] <moo-_-> the web server is running on my local computer and reading files direcly off my hard disk
  12. # [00:06] <moo-_-> there is no need for "server machine" anywhere
  13. # [00:06] <moo-_-> uf0_work: I think this is the crucial bit you need to grasp
  14. # [00:06] <uf0_work> well what if you're dealing with a site that lives on a server
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  16. # [00:07] <uf0_work> that makes sense if you have a server running on your local computer
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  18. # [00:07] <uf0_work> wouldn't you need to upload there? or am I wrong
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  23. # [00:09] <moo-_-> uf0_work: you make a copy of the site to your local computer
  24. # [00:10] <uf0_work> maybe i'm using the wrong terminology
  25. # [00:10] <uf0_work> you'd commit and 'push' your changes?
  26. # [00:10] <uf0_work> to the server
  27. # [00:11] <moo-_-> uf0_work: the chain goes like this
  28. # [00:11] <moo-_-> edit locally -> commit to version control -> update the the site that lives on the serve
  29. # [00:11] <moo-_-> r
  30. # [00:11] <moo-_-> oops
  31. # [00:11] <moo-_-> let me clarify more
  32. # [00:11] <moo-_-> edit locally -> test the changes on a local server -> commit to version control -> update the the site that lives on the serve
  33. # [00:11] <moo-_-> now it makes sense
  34. # [00:12] <uf0_work> the part where you are committing..
  35. # [00:12] <uf0_work> can you actually write out commands.. example..
  36. # [00:12] <uf0_work> for me it's now..
  37. # [00:12] <uf0_work> svn ci filename -m "" ..
  38. # [00:12] <uf0_work> then svn up
  39. # [00:13] <moo-_-> uf0_work: which version control you use is totally irrelevant to the probm
  40. # [00:13] <moo-_-> svn, git, any GUI front end
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  42. # [00:13] <uf0_work> how are you connecting to the server
  43. # [00:13] <uf0_work> when you are updating
  44. # [00:13] <moo-_-> the thing is that you test changes locally against a local web server, on your local hard disk, not on something which you need to access via SFTP
  45. # [00:13] <uf0_work> moo-_-?
  46. # [00:13] <moo-_-> uf0_work: I am not
  47. # [00:14] <moo-_-> the server shits on my computer
  48. # [00:14] <moo-_-> in my little terminal window
  49. # [00:14] <moo-_-> sits even
  50. # [00:14] <moo-_-> or in apache's case, it really shits
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  52. # [00:14] <uf0_work> this last part you said
  53. # [00:14] <uf0_work> 'update the the site that lives on the server'
  54. # [00:14] <uf0_work> how are you actually doing that..
  55. # [00:14] <uf0_work> explain this part to me
  56. # [00:15] <moo-_-> uf0_work: version control pull
  57. # [00:15] <moo-_-> svn up
  58. # [00:15] <moo-_-> or git pull
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  60. # [00:15] <moo-_-> but as I said, it is irrelevant
  61. # [00:16] <moo-_-> you could be as well as using rsync
  62. # [00:16] <Bastian_b> Any idea why generating canvas html tags when window is loaded and drawing in them render only the last canvas created?
  63. # [00:16] <moo-_-> or WinSCP for that matters
  64. # [00:16] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: you most likely have bug in your code. There is nothing in the canvas itself behaving like that.
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  67. # [00:17] <uf0_work> I'm a bit slow..
  68. # [00:17] <uf0_work> I perfectly understand testing changes locally on your web server
  69. # [00:17] <moo-_-> uf0_work: good :)
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  72. # [00:18] <moo-_-> so after that it is a matter 1) first putting files under the version control 2) then deploying files to the production server (from version control, or copying them from local computer)
  73. # [00:18] <moo-_-> and that actually depends how you set up your version control system
  74. # [00:18] <moo-_-> and which system you use
  75. # [00:18] <moo-_-> so it's an detail which is related to the software you are using
  76. # [00:19] <moo-_-> so thus I want to skip it :)
  77. # [00:19] <moo-_-> but I can point you to relevant guides if you choose to pick system X
  78. # [00:19] <uf0_work> is there a link with guides. in my case it's SVN
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  81. # [00:21] <moo-_-> uf0_work: so your question is "how I deploy files from Subversion repository to my server"
  82. # [00:21] <uf0_work> right
  83. # [00:21] <moo-_-> basically it is just two commands you need to learn for the simplest scenario
  84. # [00:21] <moo-_-> svn checkout for the initial checkout
  85. # [00:22] <moo-_-> and then fur subsequent updates svn update
  86. # [00:22] <moo-_-> I think this serves quite well http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/04/svn-command-examples/
  87. # [00:23] <uf0_work> ok cool thanks for all the info
  88. # [00:24] <moo-_-> uf0_work: you already run a web server locally, right?
  89. # [00:24] <moo-_-> which operating system you are using?
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  93. # [00:29] <uf0_work> mountain lion
  94. # [00:29] <uf0_work> yeah I'm using MAMP
  95. # [00:29] <moo-_-> uf0_work: an excellent choice
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  97. # [00:30] <uf0_work> what do you use?
  98. # [00:30] <moo-_-> everything from alcohol to cocaine :)
  99. # [00:30] <uf0_work> no heroin?
  100. # [00:30] <moo-_-> I usually need to run language specific web server (Python Django etc.)
  101. # [00:31] <moo-_-> uf0_work: you might also find this very useful http://opensourcehacker.com/2010/12/22/local-xampp-development-and-unix-file-permissions/
  102. # [00:31] <moo-_-> don't now if MAMP has those file owner issues anymore
  103. # [00:32] <moo-_-> uf0_work: also you probably want to have some kind of Subversion GUI which you run on your locally
  104. # [00:32] <moo-_-> makes things easier than a command-line when beginning with SVN
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  106. # [00:37] <Bastian_b> moo-_-, do you think adding brut html like '<canvas .... </canvas>' and then drawing on it in same function can be an issue ?
  107. # [00:37] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: can you please repeat the problem using jsfiddle.net service?
  108. # [00:37] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: without seeing the code it is very difficult to say what's wrong
  109. # [00:38] <uf0_work> moo-_-: know of any good svn gui for mac?
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  111. # [00:39] <moo-_-> uf0_work: I personally have moved beyond GUIs and have not actively followed the situation latetly
  112. # [00:39] <uf0_work> cool
  113. # [00:39] <moo-_-> uf0_work: maybe here http://gigaom.com/apple/12-subversion-apps-for-os-x/
  114. # [00:39] <moo-_-> I used to have Eclipse and TortoiseSVN on Windows
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  117. # [00:44] <tw2113> i have cornerstone installed but not used much
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  124. # [00:57] <Bastian_b> moo-_-, here is the code: http://jsfiddle.net/8nTE4/4/, unfortunately I was not able to put js in the javascript area to make it work so I kept it in the html code
  125. # [00:58] <Bastian_b> at the end I add three canvas to the container but only the last on is drawn strange
  126. # [00:59] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: I am sorry I need a functional example
  127. # [00:59] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: what is the problem in JS bit?
  128. # [01:00] <Bastian_b> it is a functionnal example
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  130. # [01:00] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: I get ReferenceError: start_me is not defined
  131. # [01:00] <Bastian_b> hum sorry: http://jsfiddle.net/8nTE4/6/
  132. # [01:00] <gavacho> you might not have updated before you pasted
  133. # [01:01] <Bastian_b> yes my bad
  134. # [01:02] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: ok what should happen?
  135. # [01:02] <moo-_-> what I am looking at where it gets side-railed?
  136. # [01:02] <tw2113> i see 3 canvas tags in there
  137. # [01:02] <tw2113> they're just stacked
  138. # [01:02] <Bastian_b> only the square is drawn
  139. # [01:03] <Bastian_b> I except the three canvas drawn
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  141. # [01:03] <Bastian_b> can't we stack them as transparent div?
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  147. # [01:07] <Bastian_b> I mean I should have the first canvas draw with a triangle, the second one also with a triangle but at same place and the last on a square, but I only have a square
  148. # [01:07] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: you should be able to stack them
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  151. # [01:08] <Bastian_b> Now if I put three canvas tag (not using javascript this time) in the div and then draw them it works
  152. # [01:08] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: I think you have some sort of logic problem in your JS related to Javascript scoping
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  154. # [01:08] <Bastian_b> looks like there is an issue with element added dynamically
  155. # [01:08] <moo-_-> it is not related to canvas itself
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  157. # [01:09] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: if you comment out the fx2 and fx3 it draws fx1 correctly
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  159. # [01:10] <Bastian_b> yes
  160. # [01:10] <Bastian_b> it should keep it drawn
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  166. # [01:17] <moo-_-> Bastian_b: this is how you can debug it
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  168. # [01:17] <moo-_-> after each draw_polygon()
  169. # [01:17] <moo-_-> put alert
  170. # [01:17] <moo-_-> you see that the canvas is correctly drawn
  171. # [01:17] <moo-_-> then do step by step into the code
  172. # [01:17] <moo-_-> and see in which point the canvas gets cleared
  173. # [01:17] <moo-_-> you probably somehow leak canvas or context reference in your code
  174. # [01:17] <moo-_-> inside this.
  175. # [01:18] <moo-_-> the problem is that the code zeroes out the existing canvases
  176. # [01:18] <moo-_-> you just need to find the point where it happens in your code
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  178. # [01:19] <moo-_-> also check your innerHTML
  179. # [01:19] <moo-_-> try use document.createElement() instead
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  181. # [01:19] <moo-_-> don't know what could cause problems
  182. # [01:19] <moo-_-> but something probably could ...
  183. # [01:19] <moo-_-> bad string formatting and such
  184. # [01:20] <Bastian_b> Okay, I see, thanks for your help
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  189. # [01:27] <Bastian_b> moo-_- I think I used a bad way to create js object, methods are all called when I create the object I will change this logic
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  221. # [01:54] <Bastian_b> moo-_-, I changed for a prototype object class design and used createElement instead of innerHTML - it is working fine now, thanks a lot for your help
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  224. # [01:57] <roy___> Someone maybe has an idea regarding z-index on safari mobile ?
  225. # [01:57] <hober> roy___: care to be more specific?
  226. # [01:58] <roy___> its not working .. it does work on any other regular browser though
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  228. # [01:58] <roy___> i mean arranging images with z-index ...
  229. # [01:58] <hober> i think you'd have to post a specific example for people to be able to help you with that...
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  232. # [01:59] <roy___> well this is a line for example <div style="position:absolute;top:-770px;left:410px;z-index:1"> <img src="images/feestjes/cupcakes_full1.jpg"> </div>
  233. # [01:59] <roy___> this puts the image in front of other stuff on the same page
  234. # [01:59] <roy___> on safari mobile though it doesn't ..
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  236. # [02:01] <roy___> maybe there some kind of webkit reference i should use ... ? I can't find clear examples of what is should be unfortunately.
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  514. # [09:56] <phryk> Hi there, I want to get me a book (or rather have my employer get me a book) on HTML5 and its associated js-APIs.
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  516. # [09:56] <phryk> Promising books I've found so far are: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920010906.do "Head First HTML5 Programming" and http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920015116.do "Programming HTML5 Applications". Any recommendations?
  517. # [09:57] <phryk> I'd like the book to serve as a broad introduction. I already know most xhtml and css stuff by heart, am a beginner at js. Besides the js-APIs I'm specifically interested in the new semantic stuff HTML5 offers like the 'data-' attributes.
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  708. # [15:28] <Bastian_b> Hello, is it possible to instanciate a canvas and its context to create a pointthen fill the canvas and recreate another point on it then refresh the canvas to have the both point on it?
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  710. # [15:31] <_shorinji_> you will need to track the points yourself and redraw them after each clearing
  711. # [15:31] <_shorinji_> the canvas is basically a pixel buffer, so things drawn overwrite what was there before
  712. # [15:32] <Bastian_b> hum okay, do you think adding an absolute span of 1px square can be a solution?
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  714. # [15:33] <_shorinji_> solution to which problem?
  715. # [15:34] <_shorinji_> to draw a point you can use a line
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  717. # [15:35] <_shorinji_> drawn from (x,y) to (x+1,y+1)
  718. # [15:37] <Bastian_b> sorry, a solution to keep the path used when drawing a polygon. If I use a point drawn with a line it means that I need to use lot a canvas for each point
  719. # [15:38] <_shorinji_> sure
  720. # [15:38] <_shorinji_> but lines are drawn as single lines of course :)
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  735. # [16:15] <roy___> Is it possible to put a redirect tag inside the body part of a document ?
  736. # [16:15] <_shorinji_> you normally do that using javascript
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  738. # [16:16] <xec_> roy___: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_refresh
  739. # [16:16] <xec_> note the use of words like "legacy" and "discouraged" ;)
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  741. # [16:17] <xec_> also, i've never tried it outside <head>
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  744. # [16:18] <_shorinji_> as I said, you normally do it using javascript. everyone does.
  745. # [16:20] <Jon47> roy___: what reason could you possible have for wanting to do that?
  746. # [16:20] <xec_> s/javascript/the webserver
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  748. # [16:21] <roy___> Jon47: well i have this php page to send a message but i want it to redirect to another page once the message is validated and sent ...
  749. # [16:21] <Jon47> if you want to redirect as the result of some UI action initiated by the viewer, javascript is the way to go. If you want some static redirect you should probably be using a server side language to send http headers
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  752. # [16:22] <Jon47> roy___: what do you mean by "validated and sent"
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  754. # [16:23] <Jon47> if you want the user to confirm the redirect before it occurs, give them some kind of confirmation modal and use javascript to handle the event that they click "acknowledged"
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  757. # [16:23] <roy___> Jon47: i mean if the form is validated and message sent with mail,
  758. # [16:23] <Jon47> are you submitting the form with javascript?
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  760. # [16:25] <roy___> no html
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  767. # [16:40] <roy___> validated by php i mean
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  774. # [16:48] <axilaris> hi all html5 masters... could some one let me know if there are some nice links that provide step by step instructions on how to setup a scalable webservice ?
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  782. # [16:53] <Jon47> roy___: i think what you want to do is submit the form synchronously as you are doing, validate the inputs using php, then use php to set the headers to do a redirect, in the case that the form fields are all valid. Make sure not to set the headers before output has started, as it will be too late to do an http header redirect when the http response body has already started to be sent
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  795. # [17:03] <axilaris> do u guys know a cloud discussion channel like for aws, etc ? i need some ideas on how to create a scalable architecture
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  1049. # [21:52] <oniijin> I'm reading from a json into an array, then doing some sorting and parsing, and would like to output it in a table
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  1121. # [23:45] <coin3d> hi there. whats the html5 way of setting the widths of a table's columns?
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