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1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 11 00:00:01 2012
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34. # [00:34] <nivolt> Please, following "semantic navigation with the nav element", I'm using the <nav> for the main menu of the website. Ok... Now, it is recommended to use the <nav> for footer links (like: about, contact, privacy..)??
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43. # [00:42] <David_Bradbury> I don't see why not
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52. # [00:51] <Oprr> who of you speak spanish??
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375. # [08:22] <tapout> t
376. # [08:22] <tapout> man this channel is a tumbleweed
377. # [08:23] <EmmaJ> lol
378. # [08:23] <EmmaJ> yuuup
379. # [08:23] <tw2113> at 1am
380. # [08:23] <tw2113> for me at least
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382. # [08:24] <EmmaJ> 2:14am here for me
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384. # [08:26] <_shorinji_> 8:15 here
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386. # [08:26] <tw2113> but i have noticed it's not the most active channel even in the day
387. # [08:26] <tw2113> it happens
388. # [08:27] <EmmaJ> same here
389. # [08:27] <EmmaJ> you get questions every so often
390. # [08:27] <EmmaJ> but thats about it
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393. # [08:30] <_shorinji_> maybe it has to do with there being alot of uncertainties about the html5 standard so people don't feel they get alot of answers
394. # [08:30] <_shorinji_> so it discourages them to ask after a while :/
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397. # [08:31] <paul_irish> wat
398. # [08:31] <b-ot> Proof of it didnt wwebsite as on the internet
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400. # [08:32] <paul_irish> poppycock _shorinji_! this channel is full of answers!
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404. # [08:36] <_shorinji_> paul_irish: just a theory
405. # [08:36] <_shorinji_> for the tumbleweed :)
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408. # [08:37] <cgcardona> <(o_O <) <(O_O)> (> O_o)>
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410. # [08:39] <tw2113> cgcardona,
411. # [08:39] <tw2113> sup
412. # [08:39] <cgcardona> howdy partner
413. # [08:39] <cgcardona> just reading this javascript pattern book online. you?
414. # [08:39] <cgcardona> working on any cool projects lately?
415. # [08:39] <tw2113> finishing a brew, talking with a coworker
416. # [08:40] <tw2113> and debating crawling into bed for some late night reading before zonking out
417. # [08:40] <cgcardona> wow your coworker and you are drinking beer in your bed? crazy
418. # [08:41] <_shorinji_> paul_irish: the alternative is that everything is crystal clear and everyone's an expert :)
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420. # [08:41] <cgcardona> tw2113: whacha drinkin?
421. # [08:42] <cgcardona> nm - …. must …. stay …. on …. topic
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423. # [08:42] <cgcardona> although "all work and no play makes #html5 a dull room"
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498. # [10:20] <SmokingSlim> hi kids, any1 know where i might find an interactive particle system which i can add data to the particles? hover statement? Canvas related
499. # [10:20] <_shorinji_> you might try in #webgl
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503. # [10:23] <SmokingSlim> thanks _shorinji_
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643. # [13:43] <antgel> hi, i'm new here, have been on #web a lot in the past
644. # [13:44] <_shorinji_> welcome :P
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647. # [13:45] <antgel> i have a fairly vague question but hoping to get some guidance. i need to write some code for a secondary screen, that during a live demo, will automaticaly show various data in response to triggers. some of my other recent projects have been server-less html5 / css3 / jquery, doing lots of work in the browser
648. # [13:46] <antgel> it was suggested to me to use powerpoint or flash for this secondary screen as it will be fairly graphical (vague terms i know)
649. # [13:46] <antgel> hence i'm here
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651. # [13:46] <_shorinji_> you need a way to trigger updates to it?
652. # [13:46] <antgel> anybody willing to suggest a platform for writing something like this? i suppose it's a glorified presentation, the key is that there are external triggers (not sure what they will be yet)
653. # [13:47] <antgel> _shorinji_: yep. hi by the way. thanks for not flaming my vague-ness (yet ;) )
654. # [13:48] <antgel> i'm pretty comfortable writing the screens. i'm just wondering about transitioning between them, preferably without a heavyweight server / polling etc
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656. # [13:48] <_shorinji_> hehe, vague quests are ok to me as long as people don't expect them to get concrete responses to them :)
657. # [13:48] <antgel> well, way i see it is that we talk and i get less vague as i learn more ;)
658. # [13:48] <_shorinji_> sure
659. # [13:50] <antgel> just looking for platforms / patterns / idioms that support my desired usage
660. # [13:50] <antgel> back in couple mins
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664. # [13:53] <_shorinji_> so a side monitor with a web browser window that reacts to live code being run?
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667. # [13:55] <_shorinji_> one way might be to use websockets to allow a local webserver to push stuff as a response to changes in the file system
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672. # [14:01] <antgel> _shorinji_: yes, and when you say "live code being run", it is really as simple as someone pressing a button, then a server on that machine reacting by changing some state somewhere. not known yet what the interface will be
673. # [14:01] <antgel> i'm a little surprised that such an infrastructure doesn't exist, unless i'm overcomplicating things
674. # [14:02] * antgel reads about websockets
675. # [14:02] <_shorinji_> yes, it probably does exist if you know what to search for :)
676. # [14:02] <_shorinji_> I don't :/
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681. # [14:05] <antgel> how does a websocket differ from a server-sent event? looks blurry to me
682. # [14:07] <_shorinji_> not sure
683. # [14:08] <antgel> great, my questions aren't stupid :)
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687. # [14:10] <_shorinji_> alot of exciting apis coming with html5 so takes time to look at them all :/
688. # [14:12] <asher^> server sent events are just like long polling in a loop i think
689. # [14:12] <asher^> i havent looked closely at them
690. # [14:12] <asher^> web sockets are a persistent two way connection
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696. # [14:22] <antgel> websockets look very interesting, i think i can look down that road for a while :)
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869. # [17:57] <WebDragon> prefixfree is awesome. still a few caveats but all in all a very nice piece of work!
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897. # [18:19] <Pomax> paul_irish: did your IE-support articles take into account that win8 ships with two different versions of IE10? I'm just reading http://blog.rabidgremlin.com/2012/10/11/did-microsoft-just-kill-flash-ie10-wont-run-flash-unless-your-site-is-on-a-microsoft-whitelist/ and all my hatred just came back, even though I am not principally opposed to just not supporting flash =x
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902. # [18:30] <Reite> Is flask really used for anything other than adds and games?
903. # [18:31] <Reite> flash*
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908. # [18:34] <reybango> @pomax IE10 desktop and IE10 Win8 UI use the same engine. That article specificially deals with Flash support,not page rendering
909. # [18:37] <WebDragon> go go gadget https://github.com/xdissent/ievms
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911. # [18:38] <WebDragon> I'm definitely sticking with these for testing for the forseeable future
912. # [18:38] <WebDragon> that just leaves Safari as the odd-man-out
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914. # [18:38] <WebDragon> (seeing as Chrome, Firefox and Opera all have linux releases)
915. # [18:38] <reybango> WebDragon, this is better http://www.browserstack.com/ No VMs needed and it works in the browser
916. # [18:38] <Pomax> reybango, same engine, different behaviour.
917. # [18:39] <reybango> Only for Flash
918. # [18:39] <reybango> Pomax, only for Flash
919. # [18:39] <Pomax> that we know of.
920. # [18:39] <reybango> Pomax, I work for Microsoft, so I know
921. # [18:39] <Pomax> on the IE team? (in that case, I'll take your word for it. if not, I'll keep doubting ;)
922. # [18:40] <WebDragon> reybango: that's "okay" but having local vms is way more useful to me -- prefer not to have flash crash my browser during a testing session
923. # [18:40] <reybango> Pomax, hehe I work VERY closely with the IE team. You can ask Paul Irish if you'd like ;)
924. # [18:40] <reybango> WebDragon, makes sense
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926. # [18:40] <WebDragon> since Microsoft released the browser+OS specific vm packages and they work VERY cleanly in virtualbox, this is a much superior solution for me
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928. # [18:41] <WebDragon> plus 100% free
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930. # [18:41] <WebDragon> can use browserstack for safari testing, if they have it, I suppose
931. # [18:41] <reybango> WebDragon, yes, it has support for all major browsers an OSes
932. # [18:41] <WebDragon> most of the online screenshot things don't show the whole page, so if you're off the first viewport-full then you're outta luck
933. # [18:42] <reybango> http://www.browserstack.com/features
934. # [18:42] <WebDragon> the 'live testing' sites were a definite improvement
935. # [18:42] <WebDragon> but a lot of them don't use a REAL IE
936. # [18:42] <reybango> http://www.browserstack.com/list-of-browsers-and-platforms
937. # [18:42] <WebDragon> yes, I've used it in the past
938. # [18:42] <WebDragon> well aware of it. still like the virtualbox solutions better for IE testing
939. # [18:43] <reybango> WebDragon, thought u were asking if BS can be used for Safari testing, which is why I sent you the link
940. # [18:43] <WebDragon> particularly because I run a localhost-only PILE of vhosts for each client I have in my folder so I can bring up their site on my laptop no matter where I am, and work on things even in the absence of wifi
941. # [18:43] <WebDragon> no no, I was just thinking out loud that I could use it for safari
942. # [18:43] <reybango> ak
943. # [18:43] <reybango> ok
944. # [18:43] <WebDragon> didn't actually go look and see if it was supported
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946. # [18:44] <WebDragon> normally I test webkit with chrome and it's sufficient
947. # [18:44] <WebDragon> they diverge, true, but not TOO much
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950. # [18:44] <WebDragon> so each VM, if I need to test on the local apache I just add the shortname to the Hosts file and point it at 127.0.0.1
951. # [18:45] <WebDragon> with any luck I can figure out how to 'pollute' the vms with the hosts file of the Host OS
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955. # [18:46] <WebDragon> then I won't have to do that all the time for three separate vms
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961. # [18:47] <WebDragon> still, it helped me figure how how to get this transparent radial-gradient working in Opera, Chrome, Firefox, AND IE7-9 with minimal fuss
962. # [18:47] <WebDragon> http://jsfiddle.net/WebDragon/3LqgB/show/ thing of beauty
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977. # [19:04] <paul_irish> reybango: i think you may be too optimistic about the differences between regular IE10 and metro mode IE10 :)
978. # [19:05] <paul_irish> things will probably fork behavior around form controls and such
979. # [19:05] <paul_irish> s/metro mode/windows ui experience/
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981. # [19:06] <reybango> paul_irish, so far I haven't seen it and I've done a lot of compat test
982. # [19:06] * David_Bradbury just installed the 'release' version of Windows 8 last night
983. # [19:06] <David_Bradbury> They've fixed a lot since the last few releases
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990. # [19:17] <reybango> David_Bradbury, yes a lot of work has been done since Release Preview.
991. # [19:17] <David_Bradbury> I'm still getting used to a few things, but I'm enjoying it so far.
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1123. # [21:36] <Multiply> Is there a smart way to draw a rectangle around a bright area of an image in a canvas? I basicly just need to get 4 coordinates per bright area, so I can extract just that. :)
1124. # [21:37] <Multiply> I currently only got black and white colors on the image, as I put on a threshold that matched quite well
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1196. # [23:11] <Mr_Grim> hey. i am using an input <input type="numeric" /> for data entry on my Android phone. how can I actually get the 'Next' button do do someThing(); ????
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1201. # [23:13] <Mr_Grim> sorry i mean type="number"
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1204. # [23:16] <Pomax> Mr_Grim: next button? do you have a jsfiddle.net example?
1205. # [23:16] <Mr_Grim> each browser renders the numeric keybad a little differently
1206. # [23:17] <Mr_Grim> i am encoutering this issue here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10759735/jquery-mobile-bind-android-next-key
1207. # [23:18] <Pomax> pretty sure that "next" button is not "next" but "okay I'm done"
1208. # [23:18] <Mr_Grim> it is in icecream sandwhich
1209. # [23:18] <Pomax> like how ctrl-v doesn't do anything on its own when you paste in 10 numbers
1210. # [23:18] <Mr_Grim> i can screenshot it for you
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1216. # [23:23] <Pomax> tried onfocus()?
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1218. # [23:25] <Pomax> my transformer (ICS) doesn't give a keypad with "next" just a "return" button
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