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  280. # [11:21] <moo-_-> central: welcome to the internets old man
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  294. # [12:19] <teear> Is this the internets man
  295. # [12:19] <matthewt> it's one of many infinite internets
  296. # [12:22] <teear> So internet is 3D
  297. # [12:24] <teear> I'm having a 3D experience
  298. # [12:24] <teear> Scheisse das ganja is gut
  299. # [12:25] <teear> I'm like flowing in the flows of the internets man
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  306. # [12:41] <shaycojo> Hi
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  319. # [13:56] <urbann> I am looking for some kind of API documentation for HTML5 / Javascript
  320. # [13:57] <urbann> what do you use ?
  321. # [14:02] <Garbee> HTML has an API?
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  323. # [14:02] <Garbee> Javascript to?
  324. # [14:03] <Garbee> HTML is just a markup language, and Javascript is a programming language. I don't really think there is an API to them. There are technologies that are an API for javascript.
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  327. # [14:07] <urbann> Garbee: maybe my question was not clear, when I program in ruby I go to http://www.ruby-doc.org/
  328. # [14:07] <Velmont> urbann: webplatform.org /will/ become _the_ way to go in the future... But right now I use MDN for most stuff, sprinkled in with dev.opera.com and html5rocks.com for special cases.
  329. # [14:08] <Garbee> webplatform.org actually has most of that content *now*, it just isn't pretty and we are still kinda working on organization in some areas.
  330. # [14:08] <Garbee> So, I'd point away fro WPD atm myself in favor of the sources as Velmont said.
  331. # [14:08] <Garbee> from*
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  335. # [14:17] <urbann> Velmont: webplatform.org look promising but is it some kind of docs available today you can browse ?
  336. # [14:18] <urbann> I am not looking for documentation but a tool to fast find the tags I am looking for
  337. # [14:18] <urbann> could not find anything at ev.opera.com
  338. # [14:18] <urbann> dev.opera.com
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  340. # [14:22] <urbann> for example I have tried to find what script tag to use. Now I use: <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8">
  341. # [14:23] <urbann> is it a way to fast look a thing like this up without going throw a lot of documents with text?
  342. # [14:24] <urbann> sorry for my english grammar : )
  343. # [14:26] <urbann> spent much time looking so I do not ask because I am lazy
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  345. # [14:29] <Velmont> urbann: use <script></script>
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  347. # [14:30] <Velmont> urbann: Keep that charset on top <meta charset=utf-8>
  348. # [14:31] <urbann> Velmont: ah, I see. but how should I be able to fast find that information if you had not helped me ?
  349. # [14:31] <urbann> : )
  350. # [14:32] <Velmont> urbann: I usually read the specs directly.
  351. # [14:33] <urbann> and where can I find them ?
  352. # [14:34] <Velmont> urbann: They even have a version where they strip stuff that only applies to browsers: http://developers.whatwg.org/
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  354. # [14:34] <Velmont> urbann: It's where you go if you want the best information straight away, -- although it's normally lots of text there as well, as everything is defined in lots of detail.
  355. # [14:35] <Velmont> urbann: But you know you'll be getting the best information all the time by going to the source, -- and not just reading what other people have guessed :P
  356. # [14:35] <Velmont> http://platform.html5.org/ << this is a nice place to find out where the relevant specs are for stuff you're interested in.
  357. # [14:36] <Velmont> And they even have some MDN references (which I guess will be updated to WPD when the time comes)
  358. # [14:37] <urbann> Velmont: thanks a lot for the links! will check them out!
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  384. # [15:33] <shaycojo> guys
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  386. # [15:33] <shaycojo> i want to create a graph in html
  387. # [15:34] <shaycojo> was just wondering about the html markup for the surroundings of the graph
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  391. # [15:34] <shaycojo> if i should use a list or just floated spans
  392. # [15:35] <asher^> are you using a js library for the graph?
  393. # [15:35] <shaycojo> nah
  394. # [15:35] <shaycojo> its not dynamic
  395. # [15:35] <shaycojo> was just wondering about semantics
  396. # [15:35] <shaycojo> let me find an example
  397. # [15:35] <shaycojo> it'll be much easier
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  399. # [15:36] <shaycojo> http://cricages.com/wp-content/uploads/bar-graph.gif
  400. # [15:36] <shaycojo> check it out
  401. # [15:36] <shaycojo> you can see the numbers on the left side of the graph
  402. # [15:36] <shaycojo> and the words on the bottom part
  403. # [15:36] <asher^> if its static, why not just use an image?
  404. # [15:36] <shaycojo> well i will be using a svg
  405. # [15:37] <shaycojo> so it can scale nicely
  406. # [15:37] <shaycojo> thought i'd create the numbers/words with html
  407. # [15:37] <shaycojo> no real reason though
  408. # [15:37] <shaycojo> but so i can learn
  409. # [15:37] <shaycojo> what would be your html markup?
  410. # [15:38] <shaycojo> list?
  411. # [15:38] <asher^> i wouldnt do it like this, especially if you need the graph to change in size
  412. # [15:38] <asher^> id just use an image
  413. # [15:39] <shaycojo> alright
  414. # [15:39] <shaycojo> thanks
  415. # [15:40] <shaycojo> I have the images layed out in Adobe Flash
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  417. # [15:41] <shaycojo> I want to export them to svg
  418. # [15:41] <shaycojo> tried Swiffy
  419. # [15:41] <shaycojo> but I'm not happy with the result
  420. # [15:41] <shaycojo> is there a way to convert it to Adobe Illustrator and from there to SVG?
  421. # [15:42] <asher^> i dont use flash, so i cant help there
  422. # [15:42] <shaycojo> Thanks again
  423. # [15:42] <shaycojo> I'll google it up
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  459. # [16:52] <Velmont> shaycojo: Inkscape is good with SVG.
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  469. # [17:14] <J-On> Hi there
  470. # [17:22] <J-On> Could someone help me about something please ? I'm facing a problem coding my website it's about misusing div's
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  482. # [17:38] <fuho> go on
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  489. # [17:53] <arietis> what's the purpose of -moz- and -webkit- prefixes?
  490. # [17:54] <arietis> isn't it possible to just make standard non-prefix version? :S
  491. # [17:55] <pixolin> it's for backward compatibility with older browsers
  492. # [17:55] <pixolin> like any new browser will support box-shadow but the older once deal differently with it hence need a vendor prefix
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  500. # [18:10] <Velmont> There is no purpose. It should be abolished.
  501. # [18:11] <Velmont> To have a level playingfield for competition.
  502. # [18:11] <Velmont> Or at least have it versioned -v1-box-shadow: blabal
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  517. # [18:34] <Jon47> browsers implement vendor prefixed versions of css properties and other cutting-edge feature because they want developers to be able to get a headstart using those features (and prefer the forward-thinking browsers that enable them) even before they are fully standardized - once the standards are finalized the browsers are free to implement them but what they don't want is for the finalized versions to clash with their pre-finalizat
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  529. # [19:07] <liquid-silence> hi guys
  530. # [19:07] <liquid-silence> whats the best way to get downloaded content into the indexdb
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  532. # [19:08] <liquid-silence> I am building something that users can download content from us into the app
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  545. # [19:45] <arietis> hey, i'm doing challenge here http://threeforfive.codeschool.com and i'm stucked, i should make repeating fallback image but i get an error https://gist.github.com/6f3785c34ca29bbb024e
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  549. # [19:51] <arietis> nevermind, found the answer :)
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  555. # [19:58] <tomlane> have the CSS selectors for the fullscreen api changed? :-moz-full-screen and :-webkit-full-screen don't seem to work for me
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  638. # [22:13] <eusid> can anybody attest to html5s effects on SEO from personal experience? I like the new markup just the fact that all elements require a header tag to validate... such as nav....my nav does not have or need a header
  639. # [22:14] <eusid> cuz i'll stick with xml/html4 if its not having any affect yet
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  641. # [22:15] <David_Bradbury> You can use HTML5 and it will not hurt your SEO - In fact it should make it more future-proof
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  643. # [22:16] <eusid> yes i know but my actual question was, has anybody seen actual SEO improvement from the use of html5
  644. # [22:17] <eusid> from my view webgl/canvas aside it just provides better document flow which should make the spider spider your site more effectively
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  646. # [22:17] <Garbee> eusid, HTML5 elements have nothing to do with SEO.
  647. # [22:17] <Garbee> It is just to help the bot better understand the content.
  648. # [22:18] <Garbee> But, they don't take it into account in rankings.
  649. # [22:18] <eusid> okay then bot optimization
  650. # [22:18] <eusid> :)
  651. # [22:18] <Garbee> Microdata/Microformats are superb for that.
  652. # [22:18] <Garbee> But dealing with webgl/canvas, I'm not sure how you would use microdata/formats to improve bot understanding of that content.
  653. # [22:19] <Garbee> In fact, I'm not sure of any way you could.
  654. # [22:19] <eusid> no i was saying with webgl aside...as that is clearly a breakthrough in the new specs
  655. # [22:19] <eusid> i should have said content oriented sites
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  657. # [22:20] <Garbee> Yea, especially ecommerce microdata/formats are awesome.
  658. # [22:20] <Garbee> and blogs even.
  659. # [22:20] <eusid> seriously why does my nav element have to have a header
  660. # [22:20] <Garbee> Directories can also do some fun stuff. Really anything.
  661. # [22:20] <Garbee> It shouldn't.
  662. # [22:21] <eusid> to validate it does does it not? the aside element does
  663. # [22:21] <Garbee> nav shouldn't need a header in any way.
  664. # [22:21] <Garbee> aside I'm not sure on, but I also don't think it requires one.
  665. # [22:22] <David_Bradbury> I'll put it this way - From a business perspective, there is no reason to redo your site with HTML5 tags just for the sake of it, because there is currently no search engines factoring for that. That said, if you're revamping an old site, or coding a new one - Then you really should be using HTML5
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  667. # [22:22] <eusid> one last question here, this microdata you speak of. i am reading on developers.whatwg.com about it and so far i see dates and numbers
  668. # [22:23] <Garbee> Yea, aside shouldn't require a header. http://developers.whatwg.org/sections.html#the-aside-element
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  670. # [22:24] <Garbee> http://schema.org --Use this for your microdata stuff, Google also has great resources for it. But, I'm starting to look at Microformats harder ( http://microformats.org )
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  672. # [22:25] <eusid> wow it looks like they're trying to turn html into an actual programming language
  673. # [22:25] <eusid> i see no reason why html should handle floating point numbers
  674. # [22:25] <eusid> then again with js heading the way it is who knows
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  676. # [22:26] <Garbee> How do you think HTML is becomming an actual Programming Language?
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  678. # [22:26] <Garbee> It all still relates to simple markup to tell the browser how to take content.
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  681. # [22:28] <eusid> i assume programming falls under creative work
  682. # [22:28] <Garbee> Well HTML is still just markup.
  683. # [22:28] <eusid> as i'm revamping my personal blog and it is about programming bits ai find useful
  684. # [22:28] <Garbee> No real programming to it.
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  694. # [22:35] <David_Bradbury> Yup, HTML still doesn't 'do' anything
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  696. # [22:36] <Garbee> Well, it *does* tell the browser how to interpret content. Beyond that, yup, not a damn thing.
  697. # [22:36] <Garbee> But even then we hope the browser does it right. :/
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