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  18. # [00:17] <cmpahar> Hello to all! How can i run javascript inside HTML? I want to get the date from javascript and assign it in an HTML5 var. The thing is that I cant run a script inside a script? Or Can i?
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  21. # [00:21] <Velmont> cmpahar: Don't even understand what you're saying.
  22. # [00:22] <Velmont> <!doctype html><title>test</title> <script> var myvar = "test" </script> works just fine.
  23. # [00:22] <peto_> bye
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  25. # [00:22] <Velmont> What is an HTML5 var?
  26. # [00:22] <cmpahar> Thanks Velmont i jiust made a mistake :)
  27. # [00:23] <cmpahar> sorry :)
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  41. # [00:44] <chovy> anyone know how to use <input name="foo[][bar]" value="bar" />
  42. # [00:44] <chovy> is that valid?
  43. # [00:45] <chovy> i'm not sure what these are called, so I can't find much by search them.
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  45. # [00:45] <s5fs> chovy: yeah, perl uses array-style input names too iirc
  46. # [00:46] <s5fs> however, that's pretty goofy looking. i'd seek a more readable approach if possible.
  47. # [00:46] <s5fs> sorry, php not perl
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  52. # [00:52] <chovy> i think rails supports it too
  53. # [00:52] <moo-_-> chovy: some frameworks do special things on special input names
  54. # [00:53] <moo-_-> but HTML itself doesn't care
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  160. # [04:36] <trypwire> hey all. anyone know which browsers support the web midi api?
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  300. # [08:39] <alfanso> morning :)
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  305. # [08:44] <fritzy> alfanso: howdy
  306. # [08:44] <alfanso> doing great.
  307. # [08:45] <alfanso> surprised to see this room is so quite.
  308. # [08:45] <alfanso> how are you doing fritzy
  309. # [08:45] <alfanso> ?
  310. # [08:45] <fritzy> pretty good. Just tweaking http://play.brokt.com/~fritzy/lander/
  311. # [08:47] <fritzy> alfanso: thoughts?
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  313. # [08:49] <alfanso> hahaha. nice :)
  314. # [08:50] <alfanso> +1
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  434. # [11:37] <sunbeam> When developing a responsive site, is it common to create a different style for ipad devices aswell?
  435. # [11:37] <sunbeam> or is it best to just catch most smartphones
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  447. # [11:46] <moo-_-> sunbeam: go where the money is
  448. # [11:46] <moo-_-> e.g. if they pay for you for it :)
  449. # [11:47] <moo-_-> sunbeam: but if you do normal 1024 px layout iPads and tablets can handle it just fine
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  451. # [11:47] <moo-_-> there is no reason to do specific tablet version unless you are aiming to have > 1024 px layouts
  452. # [11:47] <sunbeam> yep right
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  455. # [11:51] <sunbeam> when someone asks my design should be translated into a mobile responsive site
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  457. # [11:51] <sunbeam> i would assume just stylerules for 300px - 600px width devices
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  672. # [15:53] <eddyb> hi
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  679. # [16:00] <eddyb> so, I'm looking at CORS
  680. # [16:00] <eddyb> does it really need server support?
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  683. # [16:00] <eddyb> I mean, why not enable credential-less access to the entire internet?
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  699. # [16:17] <moo-_-> eddyb: if you really think hard
  700. # [16:17] <moo-_-> you probably don't want to any website reading your webmail, facebook and others
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  704. # [16:19] <eddyb> moo-_-: read my lass message again. "credential-less" - that means no cookies, no caching, just incognito resource access
  705. # [16:19] <eddyb> *last
  706. # [16:20] <moo-_-> eddyb: so, how you define credential-less?
  707. # [16:20] <moo-_-> you define it by server-side
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  709. # [16:22] <eddyb> moo-_-: lets see you try to think "hard" for a few seconds. what if the browser doesn't send any identifying information when requesting an image? as I said, no cookies, no caching. how easy it is? easier than hacking servers to add useless headers with complicated rules
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  711. # [16:23] <moo-_-> eddyb: how the browser knows when to send identify information?
  712. # [16:24] <eddyb> moo-_-: CORS already requires you to set a flag whenever you request cross-origin resources. I just want that to work without server support
  713. # [16:24] <eddyb> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/07/using-cross-domain-images-in-webgl-and.html
  714. # [16:25] <moo-_-> eddyb: you are talking now about CORS in Javascript context. But you can simply do <img src="something"> and it is CORS as well
  715. # [16:25] <moo-_-> sorry bad example
  716. # [16:25] <eddyb> no, that's not CORS
  717. # [16:26] <eddyb> and it would behave as before
  718. # [16:26] <moo-_-> eddyb: yes
  719. # [16:26] <moo-_-> eddyb: the browser may have access to intranet. You cannot know if the server is in intranet or internet as internet by the definition is not defined
  720. # [16:26] <eddyb> stop with the BS
  721. # [16:26] <moo-_-> eddyb: you could AJAX scrape your router info
  722. # [16:27] <eddyb> oh
  723. # [16:27] <moo-_-> eddyb: which is already in fact happening with some tricks and bad router software
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  726. # [16:27] <moo-_-> eddyb: so please do not jump to conclusion
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  728. # [16:27] <moo-_-> eddyb: because people have had years to spend thinking these matters
  729. # [16:28] <eddyb> well, now at least you have a point
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  731. # [16:28] <moo-_-> eddyb: if you think you can outsmart the spec writers please join to discussion #whatwg and ask how you can contribute to the HTML5 development
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  733. # [16:30] <eddyb> well, you proved me wrong, so now I just need to understand what exactly I need to change in my server
  734. # [16:31] <moo-_-> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!mdn+cors
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  736. # [16:32] <eddyb> thanks, I was trying to find that in the specs, but I found myself reading in circles
  737. # [16:33] <moo-_-> eddyb: most server-side frameworks have libraries which can support you to implement CORS
  738. # [16:33] <moo-_-> eddyb: I suggest you go to your server-side specific software forum
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  742. # [16:36] <eddyb> I feel dumb http://enable-cors.org/
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  757. # [16:42] <moo-_-> eddyb: maybe next time you have a problem you'll ask help with little more humility ;)
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  762. # [16:45] <eddyb> moo-_-: I was actually outraged since I wasn't seeing any problem
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  767. # [16:47] <invisib> Can I nest <h1> elements in <header> elements? Or vice versa? Does this make sense?
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  771. # [16:50] <xec_> invisib: yes, sure
  772. # [16:52] <moo-_-> invisib: if unsure try in html5 validator
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  779. # [17:02] <invisib> Thanks. Should I nest h1 inside header or vice versa?
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  782. # [17:06] <sunbeam> hi, i'd like to capture the value of a slider i am using.. how can i best do this?
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  786. # [17:07] <moo-_-> sunbeam: is it HTML5 slider or some jQuery slider?
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  788. # [17:07] <sunbeam> some jquery
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  791. # [17:08] <tw2113> var theslide = $('slidecontainer').html();
  792. # [17:09] <sunbeam> sorry thats what i know
  793. # [17:09] <sunbeam> what i needed to know
  794. # [17:09] <sunbeam> is how can i capture it live
  795. # [17:09] <sunbeam> on blur
  796. # [17:09] <sunbeam> or something like that
  797. # [17:09] <sunbeam> i forgot which function it was
  798. # [17:09] <sunbeam> on clickdown
  799. # [17:09] <sunbeam> etc
  800. # [17:09] <moo-_-> sunbeam: we do not provide support for third party widgets, please contact the widget author or #jquery channel :)
  801. # [17:10] <sunbeam> its not about a widget or plugin, but your right
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  803. # [17:10] <moo-_-> sunbeam: as the events coulld be anything depending on the widget
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  806. # [17:10] <tw2113> $('somecontainer').on('clickdown',function(){ var theslide = $(this).html(); });
  807. # [17:11] <sunbeam> shouldn't it be a .live function?
  808. # [17:11] <tw2113> could be
  809. # [17:11] <tw2113> try it
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  813. # [17:12] <tw2113> heh, i thought i was in #jquery but that's 1 tab to the right
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  818. # [17:15] <EHLOVader> tw2113: it was starting to feel like #jquery... easy mistake
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  821. # [17:16] <sunbeam> tw2113: not the right one hehe
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  825. # [17:17] <tw2113> jquery docs say live is depreciated in favor of on anyway
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  827. # [17:17] <tw2113> think it may be a matter of finding the right event
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  829. # [17:18] <sunbeam> ah .on of course
  830. # [17:18] <sunbeam> ehm i guess blur
  831. # [17:18] <sunbeam> sec
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  835. # [17:19] <sunbeam> tw2113: blur only works when you click the slider
  836. # [17:19] <sunbeam> and then click on something else
  837. # [17:19] <sunbeam> i need the handle that works when you release the mouse button
  838. # [17:19] <tw2113> mouseup
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  840. # [17:20] <EHLOVader> sunbeam: if you follow me into #jquery...
  841. # [17:20] <tw2113> i wonder if the slider has a callback after it's been shown and moves offscreen
  842. # [17:21] <sunbeam> sure EHLOVader
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  855. # [17:28] <WebDragon> https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/staticmaps/ is anyone else having trouble getting to developers.google.com ? this one's giving me 502 errors and tremendous wait times. very unusual for google
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  857. # [17:30] <EHLOVader> oh, sunbeam maybe slide
  858. # [17:30] <EHLOVader> I set mine up from the start $("#price_slider").slider({slide:update_price_filter,change:update_products});
  859. # [17:31] <EHLOVader> damn now I am in the wrong tab
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  957. # [19:17] <slopjong> a table with a sliced image of 700 portions (which are inlined which means the base64 encoded images are used as the src instead of a URL) is not properly rendered, if I remove the html5 doctype then everything works fine, I triple-checked the w3c and the whatwg specs to be sure that my table is fine and I can't see why it shouldn't
  958. # [19:18] <slopjong> does somebody have already had a similar issue?
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  961. # [19:19] <David_Bradbury> I'm assuming you validated the whole document? Also, tables with base64 encoded images? What are you trying to do?
  962. # [19:20] <slopjong> the w3 validator tells me for the page with sliced image Sorry! "This document cannot be checked."
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  965. # [19:21] <slopjong> I checked other pages (on the same blog) which are fine but the page with the images fails
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  972. # [19:30] <slopjong> the whatwg tells me that there's something wrong with the encoding but why does the browser render the sliced image correctly without the doctype, isn't there the same decoder for both, html 4 and 5?
  973. # [19:30] <slopjong> http://pastie.org/5119842
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  976. # [19:31] <slopjong> I used base64 version 8.19 of the gnu core utils
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  987. # [19:46] <slopjong> did some more tests, the problem might be some url processing, after the html document was loaded the browser will replace whitespaces with %20, in this special case (with inline image data) the browser shouldn't do that
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  1081. # [21:39] <lontrax> Please img tag is required the width and height attributes??
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  1084. # [21:41] <obert-> lontrax: tias
  1085. # [21:42] <lontrax> obert-: what? (sorry english is not my native language)
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  1087. # [21:45] <obert-> http://validator.w3.org/check choice Validate by input and paste the following <!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title>test</title></head><body><p><img src="http://www.mysite.com" alt="figure"></p></body></html>
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  1089. # [21:46] <obert-> lontrax: if the validator returns 'error! you must add width and height attr", they're required, else not. Last: tias== Try It And See
  1090. # [21:47] <lontrax> obert-: alright, but the validator does not tell me about best practices and html5 semantics...
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  1138. # [23:07] <tw2113> there's no way the validator could interpret semantic meaning
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  1141. # [23:11] <linkor> Please, following the best pratices and semantics HTML5/CSS3, is needed specify the width and height in the HTML <img> tag, or in CSS, or in both (img tag and css)??
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  1143. # [23:13] <moo-_-> linkor: don't specify in HTML
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  1145. # [23:14] <moo-_-> if you specify width and height in HTML you cannot later override it in CSS
  1146. # [23:16] <linkor> moo-_-: thank you very much for your suggestion.. ;)
  1147. # [23:16] <moo-_-> linkor: it would kill anything akin to responsive design
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  1150. # [23:18] <linkor> moo-_-: and need not be "width" and "height" in both?.. only in css even correct?
  1151. # [23:21] <moo-_-> linkor: only in CSS
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  1153. # [23:21] <moo-_-> and you do not shoot yourself in the foot later on
  1154. # [23:22] <linkor> moo-_-: thank you again! ;) bye...
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