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  33. # [00:41] <ohsiris> looking to get my feet wet on some projects? anyone have something?
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  45. # [00:52] <rakl> ohsiris what's your experience?
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  73. # [01:38] <shoogz> hey all.... can anyone give me some good examples of html5 apps designed for mobiles (main target - mobile). i'm struggling to find some actually decent ones, :(
  74. # [01:39] <shoogz> all my googling is coming up with frameworks etc but i want actual examples
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  83. # [02:04] <onr> shoogz: phonegap website has a gallery of apps
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  102. # [02:47] <shoogz> thanks onr :D
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  349. # [07:19] <DudeNess> hi is there an easier way of indicating audio/video sources in html 5? If I wanted max compatibility across all browsers (flash aside), do I have to use mp3, ogg, m4a, webma, etc?
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  378. # [08:07] <mr_lou> Can anyone recommend me one of these books for HTML5 mobile development? http://www.play.com/Search.html?searchstring=html5+mobile&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts
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  398. # [08:28] <paul_irish> mr_lou: i only know one of them
  399. # [08:28] <paul_irish> by shi chuan
  400. # [08:29] <mr_lou> paul_irish, Good or bad? Or just so so?
  401. # [08:29] <paul_irish> good!
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  404. # [08:32] <mr_lou> Groovy. Thanks.
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  417. # [08:51] <spobat> hey, please take a look at that: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13176486/adjust-html5-video-width-height-on-ios
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  431. # [09:22] <EmmaJ> spobat:
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  433. # [09:26] <spobat> EmmaJ, yes?
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  458. # [10:08] <spobat> EmmaJ? Did you intend to say something?^^
  459. # [10:08] <EmmaJ> sorry
  460. # [10:08] <EmmaJ> my bad
  461. # [10:08] <EmmaJ> yeh
  462. # [10:08] <EmmaJ> nice looking app u got
  463. # [10:08] <EmmaJ> sorry i cant help you out
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  465. # [10:09] <EmmaJ> currently working on an app thats kinda the same
  466. # [10:09] <spobat> okay, thank you :)
  467. # [10:11] <EmmaJ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWy-PCq4jE
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  724. # [15:56] <Jayflux> is there anyway to do remote debugging on iphone in safari on windows?
  725. # [16:01] <Moo--> Jayflux: inspector or javascript debugger?
  726. # [16:01] <Jayflux> the inspector
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  731. # [16:05] <Moo--> http://people.apache.org/~pmuellr/weinre/docs/latest/
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  819. # [18:00] <rking> Am I right in reading http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/grouping-content.html#the-dl-element to say that you can put an <h3> inside a <dl> and lighting bolts don't jump out of the computer and zap you?
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  821. # [18:03] <rking> Whirl3d: Heh, our questions are similar. ☺
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  847. # [18:30] <ohsiris1> been tasked to redesign a site, is 960 grid the most common way to go?
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  849. # [18:30] <owzim> Hi, is there a css draft yet for keeping the ratio of any html element when changing only either width or height?
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  854. # [18:39] <ohsiris1> anyone know of a bootstrap psd?
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  856. # [18:44] <Charun> http://benstewart.net/2012/06/bootstrap-responsive-photoshop-templates/
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  920. # [20:17] <ohsiris1> any logo designers in here?
  921. # [20:21] <owzim> ohsiris1: many many people in here but no one EVER talks =)
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  941. # [20:46] <jessica> need help, want to connect html5 with mysql in a local lan enviornment, but on the otherside i dont want to install wamp on client's ps, coz i know they wont start the php server everyday, how do i now connect html5 to mysql without php ??
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  946. # [20:50] <jessica> can any1 help me
  947. # [20:51] <owzim> jessica: you should never ever connect to a database on the client side
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  950. # [20:51] <jessica> whats the way out ? i need to install database on the client's system
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  953. # [20:52] <owzim> you need a server anyways
  954. # [20:52] <owzim> where you install it doesnt matter
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  956. # [20:53] <owzim> if you install it on the clients pc, other pc cannot connect to the database unless that very pc is online and the local server is reachable within the lan
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  958. # [20:54] <ohsiris1> yeah
  959. # [20:54] <owzim> what does your "application" do?
  960. # [20:54] <ohsiris1> generally the db sits on a/the server
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  962. # [20:56] <owzim> oh well
  963. # [20:56] <ohsiris1> lol
  964. # [20:56] <owzim> =)
  965. # [20:56] <owzim> hope she knows what shes doing
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  971. # [20:59] <jessica> owzim u there ?
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  974. # [21:00] <jessica> My app will have a standalone version where in the data will be saved in local system of the client, like in mysql. Now i am thinking of not using php and if there is some other way to connect html5 to mysql because my client wont be able to start the wamp server daily. Can you guide me any solution to this problem ?
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  978. # [21:01] <jessica> any help people
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  984. # [21:05] <owzim> will the app be used by only ONE person in his/her pc?
  985. # [21:05] <owzim> you could use local storage in that case
  986. # [21:05] <jessica> no multiple people in a LAN enviornment
  987. # [21:05] <jessica> for single pc i can use sqlite
  988. # [21:05] <jessica> its a day book, invoice system, lots of data
  989. # [21:06] <owzim> jessica: so you cant set up a server within the network, only for serving purpose?
  990. # [21:06] <owzim> why cant you guide the client to start that server?
  991. # [21:07] <owzim> if you can teach him/her to use your app you can also teach him/her to start a server
  992. # [21:07] <jessica> i dont want to use php, because i know my clients wont be able to start wamp server daily as they are not that good
  993. # [21:07] <jessica> you are right though
  994. # [21:07] <owzim> its not too coplicated to start a wamp ... isnt it just like starting any other program?
  995. # [21:07] <jessica> i am just wanting to know incase there is some other way i can adopt
  996. # [21:08] <jessica> yep, you are right
  997. # [21:08] <owzim> you didnt say if the app should be reached by other pcs within the network
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  999. # [21:08] <jessica> yes, multiple pc's in the network
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  1001. # [21:08] <owzim> in that case you cannot avoid installing a server somehwere in the network
  1002. # [21:08] <jessica> kk, i got it
  1003. # [21:09] <jessica> phython also needs a kind of server to start ?
  1004. # [21:09] <owzim> but of course theoratically there is the possibility to connect to a database via javascript in html5
  1005. # [21:09] <jessica> i have googled, couldnt find 1 example
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  1007. # [21:09] <owzim> but you should do that because you would expose the db credentials on the clinet side
  1008. # [21:09] <jessica> neither 1 post
  1009. # [21:09] <owzim> thats totally unsecure
  1010. # [21:10] <owzim> shouldnt
  1011. # [21:10] <jessica> hmmm, they can also open the php files anyway as the php files will be with them, isnt it ?
  1012. # [21:10] <jessica> i can wrap the js files which they wont be able to open
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  1014. # [21:11] <owzim> i fear that you lack of some basic understandings of server/client related topics
  1015. # [21:11] <jessica> i dont, i think you are misunderstanding me
  1016. # [21:11] <owzim> if the browser can read the js files, so can the user
  1017. # [21:11] <jessica> see server is lying in their premesis
  1018. # [21:12] <jessica> oh sorry - no my app will be wrapped like a desktop app using appjs.org
  1019. # [21:12] <jessica> they wont be able to see any code
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  1021. # [21:12] <owzim> ah ok
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  1023. # [21:12] <jessica> i am sorry, i fogot to tell you about this
  1024. # [21:12] <owzim> so the js is compiled into the executable?
  1025. # [21:12] <jessica> yep
  1026. # [21:13] <jessica> so do you know any example where html5 is saving data in mysql using js ?
  1027. # [21:13] <jessica> my connection is bad, can i have ur email please ?
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  1030. # [21:14] <owzim> rather not
  1031. # [21:14] <owzim> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6106740/how-to-connect-with-server-side-database-using-pure-html5
  1032. # [21:15] <jessica> read it 3 times
  1033. # [21:15] <jessica> If you don't want to learn a common server side language, you could use Node.js to be able to use JavaScript on the server side.
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  1035. # [21:15] <jessica> but how ?
  1036. # [21:15] <owzim> thats a whole different story
  1037. # [21:15] <owzim> node.js is serverside js
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  1039. # [21:16] <owzim> you still need some kind of server
  1040. # [21:16] <jessica> so what do you suggest ?
  1041. # [21:16] <jessica> hmmm, check pm and what do you suggest, to go with php ???
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  1062. # [21:42] <Silent> Hello :)
  1063. # [21:43] <Silent> I am reading HTML5 Up and Running, and I'm a bit confused. Do we have functions in HTML5?
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  1066. # [21:46] <owzim> no
  1067. # [21:46] <owzim> we have functions in javascript though
  1068. # [21:46] <Silent> I thought so. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks :)
  1069. # [21:47] <owzim> np =)
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  1072. # [21:48] <owzim> html5 is somehow an umbrella term which includes all the new technologies like the apis (which are accessed via javascript) the new html elements and of course css3
  1073. # [21:48] <owzim> so there is sometimes a mixup
  1074. # [21:48] <owzim> html5 itself doesnt offer much =)
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  1079. # [21:57] * Moo-_^ did his first submission to jster.net http://jster.net/library/jquery-interdependencies
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  1081. # [22:00] <Silent> Also one thing that I noticed is that Diving into HTML5 isn't a step-by-stem guide to HTML5. Is there a book that would be more appropriate for me?
  1082. # [22:03] <Kai`> Silent, http://developers.whatwg.org/
  1083. # [22:03] <Silent> Isn't reading the whole thing an overkill?
  1084. # [22:04] <owzim> reading only one page is overkill
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  1086. # [22:05] <Silent> :o
  1087. # [22:05] <Kai`> Silent, I myself read Diving into HTML5, and then Introducing HTML5 by Remy Sharp and Bruce Lawson
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  1090. # [22:06] <Silent> How about HTML5 24 hour trainer? My goal is to get a basic understanding of HTML5, so I can move to a basic understanding of CSS3, and dive deep into JavaScript/Canvas.
  1091. # [22:06] <Kai`> Also, http://www.html5rocks.com/en/why
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  1093. # [22:07] <Kai`> Read that Why page
  1094. # [22:08] <Kai`> Each section of that Why page has a link to more info, and even examples
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  1097. # [22:11] <Silent> I will read. Like I said yeaterday, I don't like walking around my goal in circles. I want to start making JavaScript games, but my understanding of HTML5 and CSS is poor. Do I even have the right plan in mind?
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  1099. # [22:16] <Kai`> The right plan is to learn it by doing
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  1101. # [22:16] <Kai`> I doubt you'll get what you want in a "24 hr" book
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  1103. # [22:16] <Kai`> Experiment, break stuff, figure out solutions
  1104. # [22:17] <Kai`> Nothing better than that, IMO
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  1106. # [22:18] <Silent> Obviously I don't expect to learn everything in 24 hours. I just want to get through HTML5 and CSS3 as quick as I can.
  1107. # [22:18] <Kai`> Do you have a personal web site?
  1108. # [22:19] <Kai`> Make your own, personal web site for yourself, about yourself
  1109. # [22:19] <Kai`> While doing that, you'll learn and understand HTML, CSS
  1110. # [22:20] <Silent> I used to have one. Do you mean a hard-coded site, or the use of a CMS?
  1111. # [22:20] <Kai`> No CMS
  1112. # [22:20] <Kai`> Just plain, raw HTML and CSS
  1113. # [22:21] <Kai`> "from scratch"
  1114. # [22:21] <Silent> I suppose that can be done.
  1115. # [22:21] <Kai`> Great
  1116. # [22:21] <Silent> :)
  1117. # [22:21] <Kai`> Now that you have a task to do
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  1119. # [22:21] <Kai`> You can focus on doing
  1120. # [22:21] <Kai`> and as you get stuck, you'll look up help on Google, or one of the HTML links we pasted in earlier
  1121. # [22:21] <Silent> Indeed. Thanks for your help :)
  1122. # [22:22] <Kai`> And then you can jump back in
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  1124. # [22:22] <Kai`> Once you're done, and you like the way your site looks, you can try to find ways to enhance things with JavaScript.
  1125. # [22:23] <Kai`> You might want to look at other people's personal sites on the web, for inspiration of how you might want yours to look
  1126. # [22:23] <Kai`> Then you'll have to solve the problem of figuring out what you need to do with HTML and CSS to make your site look the way you want it to
  1127. # [22:24] <Kai`> Good luck! afk
  1128. # [22:24] <Silent> Thanks ^.^
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