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  45. # [00:52] <sunbeam> when ihave a list, <ul><li><a href="#"></a></li><li><a href="#"></a></li></ul> and the second <a> is clicked, how can i check which count is is (the 2nd)
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  47. # [00:54] <tw2113> http://api.jquery.com/index/
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  53. # [00:56] <tw2113> sunbeam
  54. # [00:57] <sunbeam> thanks!
  55. # [00:57] <sunbeam> sorry
  56. # [01:00] <sunbeam> and when i have that value, when it has 1 char (1,2,3 etc instead of 10) how can i test this ?
  57. # [01:01] <tw2113> what do you mean by test?
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  60. # [01:07] <sunbeam> check
  61. # [01:07] <sunbeam> if the value is 3 (1 char), or 10
  62. # [01:07] <sunbeam> so i can add a zero in front and its 01
  63. # [01:08] <tw2113> looks like the length property would be fine
  64. # [01:09] <tw2113> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4121540/how-to-count-string-length-if-greater-than-x-length-remove-x-characters-java
  65. # [01:09] <tw2113> whole thread wouldn't necessarily apply, but you'd get the idea
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  69. # [01:11] <sunbeam> ok thanks again
  70. # [01:11] <sunbeam> its undefined, but i guess i should convert it to a string first
  71. # [01:12] <tw2113> probably a good part i forgot
  72. # [01:12] <tw2113> that step would be me googling a lot first
  73. # [01:13] <sunbeam> hehe
  74. # [01:13] <sunbeam> i've got 10 anchors in (".list li a") they are in the a links, i want to preload all these images
  75. # [01:13] <sunbeam> any idea how i can do this best?
  76. # [01:14] <tw2113> probably using the jquery load() function
  77. # [01:14] <tw2113> this would actually probably better for that room too :D
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  81. # [01:18] <sunbeam> ok i already asked there but no answer :(
  82. # [01:18] <tw2113> it's more active in there than in here :P
  83. # [01:19] <sunbeam> hehe
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  585. # [16:25] <Agamemnus> http://flyingsoft.phatcode.net/dairygame/ -- pixel perfect collision detection. Work for hire in progress.
  586. # [16:25] <Agamemnus> (collision with the mouse)
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  599. # [16:35] <zettam> Hello channel
  600. # [16:35] <zettam> I hve a few questions on canvas
  601. # [16:36] <zettam> what's the best method to render custom fonts in canvas ?
  602. # [16:36] <zettam> I need some guidance at that point
  603. # [16:36] <zettam> Everrybody is talking about different things
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  605. # [16:41] <Moo-_^> 1. start with one method
  606. # [16:41] <Moo-_^> 2. if it's not good enough try another?
  607. # [16:42] <zettam> Moo-_^: I ned some method rcommendations
  608. # [16:42] <Moo-_^> to have something "best" you need to tell what you have been trying and why it is not good enough
  609. # [16:42] <Moo-_^> criteria is missing
  610. # [16:42] <zettam> it's for an online chat application that uses canvas
  611. # [16:42] <zettam> the text needs to be a part of canvas
  612. # [16:42] <Moo-_^> zettam: is there any particular reason for this?
  613. # [16:42] <zettam> so that I'm wondering what is the best way to render text with canvas
  614. # [16:42] <Moo-_^> it's better to render text in DOM
  615. # [16:42] <zettam> Moo-_^: for what ? using canvas ?
  616. # [16:43] <Moo-_^> using canvas for text
  617. # [16:43] <zettam> Hmm, most of my elements are a part of canvas
  618. # [16:43] <Moo-_^> there is no benefit, only drawbacks
  619. # [16:43] <zettam> chat bubbles,
  620. # [16:43] <zettam> avatars, etc.
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  622. # [16:44] <Moo-_^> zettam: just my 10c: you will run to hard problems if you try to implement your custom text renderer
  623. # [16:44] <Moo-_^> but I assume it's too late for that :)
  624. # [16:44] <zettam> No nothing is too late
  625. # [16:44] <zettam> I was actually having headaches about what to pick
  626. # [16:44] <Moo-_^> because canvas only provides drawString() and it is very dummy
  627. # [16:44] <zettam> Well, it's a simple avatar chat
  628. # [16:44] <zettam> what do you think -- would be best
  629. # [16:45] <zettam> to render out avatars and their bubbles and custom text in it ?
  630. # [16:45] <zettam> avatars are only simple dots
  631. # [16:45] <Moo-_^> zettam: but you may try here http://stackoverflow.com/a/12660867/315168
  632. # [16:45] <zettam> this is just for experimentation and learning
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  634. # [16:45] <Moo-_^> zettam: use DOM tree and CSS3
  635. # [16:45] <Moo-_^> canvas is meant for custom graphics and imaging, not for custom user interface
  636. # [16:46] <Moo-_^> zettam: for example here https://github.com/leonidas/transparency and https://github.com/leonidas/transparency/tree/master/examples/chat
  637. # [16:46] <zettam> then what's the best method for something like this
  638. # [16:46] <Moo-_^> client-side templating like one linked above
  639. # [16:46] <Moo-_^> it also has a basic chat application example
  640. # [16:47] <Moo-_^> though in coffeescript
  641. # [16:47] <Moo-_^> but need to go now ->
  642. # [16:47] <zettam> THank you :)
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  653. # [16:55] <zettam> I guess I still don't know when to use DOM and when to use Canvas
  654. # [16:56] <zettam> any tips will be appreciated
  655. # [16:56] <zettam> :)
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  673. # [17:16] <Jon47> use the DOM for everything you can, if the DOM is not able to achieve what you want, then use canvas
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  680. # [17:24] <sunbeam> hi, is it possible to work with 10.5 (half) font sizes?
  681. # [17:24] <sunbeam> and have this working cross browser?
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  724. # [18:05] <zettam> Hello channel
  725. # [18:06] <arronhunt> zettam herro!
  726. # [18:06] <zettam> jquery seems slow to animate around 100 elements at the same time
  727. # [18:06] <zettam> What should I use for those types of things?
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  731. # [18:08] <Moo-_^> sunbeam: arbitrary sized fonts should have been supported since HTML 1.0
  732. # [18:08] <Moo-_^> or CSS 1.0 :)
  733. # [18:08] <Moo-_^> zettam: CSS3 animations
  734. # [18:08] <Moo-_^> no internet explorer support though
  735. # [18:08] <Moo-_^> but IE users don't deserve animations
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  737. # [18:09] <Moo-_^> and you are animating 1000 elements once you are doing it wrong
  738. # [18:09] <xec_> zettam: check out http://paulirish.com/2009/perf/ - slide 41 or so
  739. # [18:09] <xec_> zettam: basically, you modify a stylesheet and let the browser do the rest
  740. # [18:10] <zettam> Moo-_^ and xec_ thanks
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  742. # [18:12] <zettam> xec_ so should I use canvas instead of dom ?
  743. # [18:13] <Moo-_^> zettam: no
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  745. # [18:13] <Moo-_^> zettam: please first describe what you are animating and why
  746. # [18:13] <xec_> what does canvas have to do with it
  747. # [18:13] <xec_> i mean - maybe? depending on what you're really doing
  748. # [18:13] <xec_> what Moo-_^ said :)
  749. # [18:13] <zettam> Ok,
  750. # [18:13] <Moo-_^> zettam: try to ask more generic questions if you are wandering into new domain you have not been learning before
  751. # [18:13] <zettam> I have siple dots, that represent "avatars"
  752. # [18:14] <Moo-_^> zettam: http://opensourcehacker.com/2011/03/17/rfc-simple-internet-question-asking-protocol-for-human-beings/
  753. # [18:14] <zettam> and I want to move them
  754. # [18:14] <zettam> since they appear on the screen all at once
  755. # [18:14] <zettam> I don't know which way is the best way to go
  756. # [18:14] <zettam> canvas, or dom
  757. # [18:19] <xec_> are you doing the same animation to all of the items at the same time?
  758. # [18:19] <Moo-_^> zettam: you put items to a container and animate the container
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  772. # [18:25] <Agamemnus> I agree with Jon47.
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  775. # [18:28] <Agamemnus> zettam, it really depends on your exact implementation. canvas would probably be faster for doing 1,000 elements if only because you can probably do some optimizations there that you can't with the DOM.
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  799. # [18:41] <Moo-_^> zettam: also http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/11/05/writing-fast-memory-efficient-javascript/
  800. # [18:41] <Moo-_^> but I think the solution for your problem is to have one big animation, not 1000 small animations once
  801. # [18:41] <Moo-_^> zettam: if you want to share your concept you can do an isolated example using jsfiddle.net service
  802. # [18:41] <Moo-_^> which is very nice
  803. # [18:42] <David_Bradbury> Yup, it depends what you're doing. I've had pretty good success with animating thousands of 'objects' at once.
  804. # [18:42] <David_Bradbury> With canvas
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  806. # [18:43] <Moo-_^> David_Bradbury: but canvas is no good for text rendering which is kind of primary function of a chat application
  807. # [18:43] <Moo-_^> and which is what zettam is building
  808. # [18:44] <Moo-_^> which kind of sucks, but there is no short-term remedy
  809. # [18:44] <Moo-_^> AFAIK
  810. # [18:44] <David_Bradbury> Ah, I didn't see him mention chat anywhere.
  811. # [18:45] <David_Bradbury> And it is okay, just not great.
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  813. # [18:46] <Moo-_^> well, it fails basic tasks like splitting text to rows
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  815. # [18:47] <Moo-_^> that sub-par
  816. # [18:47] <Moo-_^> +is
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  819. # [18:52] <David_Bradbury> I'd argue that the lack of those sorts of features is an advantage - Meaning it can render things faster because it doesn't have to worry about checking things like that. Measuring the width of a line of text is simple, so implementing that isn't really hard.
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  848. # [19:16] <Jon47> does anybody know of a good web-app that lets the viewer build nested trees, sort of like a filesystem hierarchy?
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  857. # [19:19] <Moo-_^> Jon47: ExtJs has comprehensive tree widgets and tree manipulation models
  858. # [19:19] <Jon47> ah, but that ain't free is it
  859. # [19:20] <Moo-_^> LGPL
  860. # [19:20] <Moo-_^> ah
  861. # [19:20] <Moo-_^> but it has some sort of violation clause
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  1003. # [21:52] <drag0nius> hello
  1004. # [21:52] <drag0nius> is there anything wrong with representing for in a table?
  1005. # [21:52] <drag0nius> form*
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  1008. # [21:53] <drag0nius> teacher wrote sth like 'do not use table to position elements', and only place i use tables is contact information
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  1010. # [21:55] <Jon47> drag0nius: technically a table should only be used for tabular data.. like … columns and rows, such as a spreadsheet or scientific data where the column and row has significance, a title, etc..
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  1012. # [21:56] <drag0nius> thats exactly what i use it for
  1013. # [21:56] <drag0nius> First/Last name 1st row, email second row etc.
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  1021. # [22:03] <Jon47> for something like that, I'd probably not use tables, but it's a free world
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  1025. # [22:04] <Moo-_^> dragonshed: no
  1026. # [22:04] <dragonshed> yes!
  1027. # [22:04] <dragonshed> heh
  1028. # [22:04] <Moo-_^> dragonshed: here is an example http://plone.org/products/datagridfield
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  1031. # [22:06] <dragonshed> Moo-_^: I think you mean to point those out to drag0nius, who has left the channel :)
  1032. # [22:06] <Moo-_^> darn
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  1034. # [22:07] <Moo-_^> too many dragons
  1035. # [22:07] <dragonshed> if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that
  1036. # [22:08] <Moo-_^> you'd melt them with your breath and make a sword?
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