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  97. # [02:55] <ericelliott> IMO, npm, browserify and grunt are a better solution to dependency management and packaging than bower. Is it possible to configure yeoman to use those instead of bower?
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  100. # [02:57] <ericelliott> I think it's super weird that Bower compares itself to JAM, VOLO and ENDER, when it's really a lot more similar to npm
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  102. # [02:57] <Agamemnus> wrong chat room?
  103. # [02:58] <ericelliott> maybe
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  105. # [02:59] <Agamemnus> help me in the other room
  106. # [02:59] <Agamemnus> or i'll .. I'll
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  112. # [03:13] <voogzy> any html5 game devs here?
  113. # [03:14] <Agamemnus> yes
  114. # [03:14] <Agamemnus> you want to give me money?
  115. # [03:14] <Agamemnus> I'm available
  116. # [03:14] <voogzy> :))
  117. # [03:14] <voogzy> i bet you are
  118. # [03:14] <voogzy> i just need someone to tell me how bad my work sux :)
  119. # [03:14] <Agamemnus> ok, go.
  120. # [03:14] <voogzy> been tinkering around with canvas a little lately
  121. # [03:14] <voogzy> making my own game engine of sorts...
  122. # [03:14] <voogzy> http://voogy4.dev.controlplatform.com/
  123. # [03:15] <voogzy> wouldnt hurt it if you tryed it with chrome
  124. # [03:15] <voogzy> sound works there
  125. # [03:15] <Agamemnus> do you perchance know how to make an audio loop not cut off briefly every time it ends? I'm using the onended event.
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  127. # [03:15] <voogzy> this.music.addEventListener('ended', function(){this.currentTime = 0; this.play();},false);
  128. # [03:15] <Agamemnus> ooh
  129. # [03:16] <voogzy> this seems to work for me
  130. # [03:16] <Agamemnus> i tried it and it didn't work.
  131. # [03:16] <Agamemnus> maybe it's the audio?
  132. # [03:16] <Agamemnus> what's your audio file type?
  133. # [03:16] <voogzy> might have to tailor it to your specific case but seems to work fine in my case
  134. # [03:16] <voogzy> at least in chrome :)
  135. # [03:16] <voogzy> mp3
  136. # [03:16] <voogzy> thats why chrome only :)
  137. # [03:16] <voogzy> ff will add it soon they say so i dont care
  138. # [03:16] <voogzy> dont rly care if doesnt work in ff or ie or anywhere else other than crhome
  139. # [03:16] <voogzy> :)
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  141. # [03:17] <voogzy> does it work?
  142. # [03:17] <voogzy> does anything work? :)
  143. # [03:17] <Agamemnus> yes it works
  144. # [03:17] <Agamemnus> very well done
  145. # [03:17] <Agamemnus> i'm looking in chrome
  146. # [03:17] <voogzy> tnx I'm in the middle of it :/
  147. # [03:17] <voogzy> less than middle I'm afraid
  148. # [03:17] <voogzy> it gets crazy when the croud is big :))
  149. # [03:18] <voogzy> the button on the left bottom works
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  151. # [03:18] <voogzy> you can send out your drunks
  152. # [03:18] <voogzy> and then throw bottles at the police :()
  153. # [03:18] <voogzy> :)
  154. # [03:18] <Agamemnus> yea no audio in ff
  155. # [03:18] <Agamemnus> because it's mp3
  156. # [03:18] <voogzy> you dont have chrome installed?
  157. # [03:18] <Agamemnus> I do
  158. # [03:18] <Agamemnus> just checking in ff too
  159. # [03:18] <voogzy> give it a go :)
  160. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> seems to work fine in ff except for the audio
  161. # [03:19] <voogzy> cool
  162. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> what I do is I set it to use ogg
  163. # [03:19] <voogzy> thats sweat
  164. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> and if that doesn't work i use mp3
  165. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> for ie
  166. # [03:19] <voogzy> yeah i know :)
  167. # [03:19] <voogzy> I'll have to change that sometime
  168. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> i made an audio object wrapper
  169. # [03:19] <voogzy> but like I said :) chrome only... :P
  170. # [03:19] <Agamemnus> just expanded it today in fact
  171. # [03:20] <voogzy> well you can check my code and take anything you like if it helps you
  172. # [03:20] <voogzy> its /js/site.js and /js/sound.js
  173. # [03:20] <voogzy> am amateur in javascript so kind of learning as a go :)
  174. # [03:20] <voogzy> hence the code is a mess :)
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  176. # [03:21] <Agamemnus> i have something similar but i don't have a wrapper over all the audio
  177. # [03:22] <Agamemnus> just over each bit
  178. # [03:22] <voogzy> i play a lot of sounds or at least i will be :)
  179. # [03:22] <voogzy> so i need multichannel
  180. # [03:22] <voogzy> this takes care of that for me
  181. # [03:23] <Agamemnus> it looks fine, just use 1 space instead of tabs to indent, and 1TBS bracing
  182. # [03:23] <Agamemnus> or die
  183. # [03:23] <voogzy> so i just call play and it takes care of it :) it makes it so i can play 5 of the same sounds at once
  184. # [03:23] <Agamemnus> uhuh
  185. # [03:23] <voogzy> from the same "source"
  186. # [03:23] <voogzy> want the game to sound good :)
  187. # [03:23] <voogzy> lot of breaking and yelling at once :)
  188. # [03:24] <voogzy> it looks like shit i know :)
  189. # [03:24] <Agamemnus> and the colons
  190. # [03:24] <voogzy> colons? :)
  191. # [03:24] <Agamemnus> ;
  192. # [03:24] <voogzy> hehe yeah :)
  193. # [03:24] <voogzy> force of habit :)
  194. # [03:24] <voogzy> do they hurt? :)
  195. # [03:24] <Agamemnus> y
  196. # [03:24] <voogzy> how?
  197. # [03:24] <voogzy> and how badly?
  198. # [03:24] <Agamemnus> very
  199. # [03:24] <voogzy> explain please :)
  200. # [03:25] <Agamemnus> i'm minimalist and a perfectionist
  201. # [03:25] <voogzy> hehe :)
  202. # [03:25] <voogzy> i hack things togeather so they kind of work most of the time :)
  203. # [03:25] <Agamemnus> the tabbing and extra lines from your bracket style and extra colons make me mad
  204. # [03:25] <voogzy> and have fun while doing it ;)
  205. # [03:25] <voogzy> :))))
  206. # [03:25] <voogzy> why?
  207. # [03:25] <Agamemnus> but most people do that
  208. # [03:25] <voogzy> hehe
  209. # [03:25] <Agamemnus> so i am mad all the time
  210. # [03:26] <Agamemnus> :(
  211. # [03:26] <voogzy> its not easy looking at others people code... i know :)
  212. # [03:26] <Agamemnus> but it looks neat with the amount of code you have
  213. # [03:26] <voogzy> you think its little code?
  214. # [03:26] <voogzy> its pure js
  215. # [03:26] <voogzy> no libs or anything
  216. # [03:26] <voogzy> no external framework or anything
  217. # [03:26] <Agamemnus> i mean it is compact, very logical-looking
  218. # [03:27] <voogzy> got to learn this js shit :/ :)
  219. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> here is the game i am working on now
  220. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> http://flyingsoft.phatcode.net/dairygame/
  221. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> it is a conversion from flash
  222. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> i'm actually making money from doing that :)
  223. # [03:27] <voogzy> converting from flash to html5?
  224. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> conversion/enhancement
  225. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> yes
  226. # [03:27] <voogzy> they pay for that? :)
  227. # [03:27] <Agamemnus> sometimes, but this is my first such job
  228. # [03:27] <voogzy> haha
  229. # [03:27] <voogzy> whack a mole :)
  230. # [03:28] <voogzy> cool
  231. # [03:28] <voogzy> i'm doing it for hoby
  232. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> you can do both
  233. # [03:28] <voogzy> quit my job and now i'm coding away :>
  234. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> as I found out
  235. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> oh I see
  236. # [03:28] <voogzy> codin' and smokin'
  237. # [03:28] <voogzy> :)
  238. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> smokin huh
  239. # [03:28] <voogzy> so i kind of make my job a hoby :)
  240. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> you're a raghead? or whatever
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  242. # [03:28] <voogzy> not rly :>
  243. # [03:28] <voogzy> whatever raghead means
  244. # [03:28] <Agamemnus> weedhead
  245. # [03:29] <voogzy> nicely put :)
  246. # [03:29] <Agamemnus> maybe that's wrong, might have gotten my terminology mixed up
  247. # [03:29] <voogzy> yeah :P
  248. # [03:29] <voogzy> i wrote 90% of this code rly rly high :P
  249. # [03:29] <Agamemnus> something head
  250. # [03:29] <Agamemnus> wow
  251. # [03:29] <voogzy> you'd be amazed how high :P
  252. # [03:29] <Agamemnus> mary jane for everyone!
  253. # [03:29] <voogzy> ;)
  254. # [03:29] <Agamemnus> see those numbers for the scores?
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  256. # [03:29] <voogzy> scores?
  257. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> it took me 2 hours to get them centered on the black boxes
  258. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> in my game
  259. # [03:30] <voogzy> hehehe
  260. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> and it still looks different in chrome and ff
  261. # [03:30] <voogzy> yeah well get used to it :P
  262. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> should have done some weed
  263. # [03:30] <voogzy> go chrome
  264. # [03:30] <voogzy> and if it kind of still works in ff
  265. # [03:30] <voogzy> all the better :>
  266. # [03:30] <voogzy> but i'm fed up with it
  267. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> i do it the other way around
  268. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> i like ff more
  269. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> well, did
  270. # [03:30] <Agamemnus> until 16
  271. # [03:31] <voogzy> worked in web development making pages that had to work with ie6 1 years a go
  272. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> they made the web console crap
  273. # [03:31] <voogzy> and said fuck that shit
  274. # [03:31] <voogzy> :)
  275. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> oh man
  276. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> ie6 is fine
  277. # [03:31] <voogzy> :)
  278. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> it's ie8 you gotta worry about
  279. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> :P
  280. # [03:31] <voogzy> so i'm kind fed up with all the browsers
  281. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> here is my rationale
  282. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> on my old computer i had ie6
  283. # [03:31] <voogzy> hence i dont work for people who want it to work everywhere exactly the same
  284. # [03:31] <Agamemnus> with the chrome extension too
  285. # [03:32] <Agamemnus> i didn't like ff's interface, or chrome's
  286. # [03:32] <Agamemnus> so i wanted things to work in ie6.
  287. # [03:32] <Agamemnus> but.. this was for mostly simple stuff
  288. # [03:32] <Agamemnus> and... now i would just cry myself to sleep if i tried that.
  289. # [03:32] <Agamemnus> even for ie8.
  290. # [03:33] <Agamemnus> sometimes that isn't possible if you want the work
  291. # [03:33] <Agamemnus> many of my clients want ie8 compatibility
  292. # [03:33] <voogzy> :))
  293. # [03:33] <voogzy> exactly
  294. # [03:33] <voogzy> thats why i quit my job :)
  295. # [03:33] <Agamemnus> if you have money to burn i have a nice game you could make a dev studio out of
  296. # [03:34] <Agamemnus> i counted, 13k lines in js.. i thought it was more
  297. # [03:34] <Agamemnus> working on a big project. web-game.
  298. # [03:34] <Agamemnus> capitalopoly.com, if you wanner take a look
  299. # [03:34] <Agamemnus> still redoing some key mechanics, so it isn't playable much atm
  300. # [03:34] <voogzy> kul
  301. # [03:35] <voogzy> working on a couple of other games myself
  302. # [03:35] <Agamemnus> but small games are nice too.
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  304. # [03:35] <voogzy> i hired an artist to paint me pictures on a real canvas :)
  305. # [03:35] <Agamemnus> as long as i can limit the scope.... or i never finish it and it becomes a big project
  306. # [03:35] <voogzy> an i'll use that art for the game
  307. # [03:35] <voogzy> wanna se the picture?
  308. # [03:35] <Agamemnus> uhuh
  309. # [03:35] <voogzy> like with real paint and brushes :))
  310. # [03:35] <voogzy> a friend of mine does that
  311. # [03:36] <voogzy> http://imgur.com/a/nPOs3#0
  312. # [03:37] <voogzy> mmo strategy game in the making :)
  313. # [03:37] <Agamemnus> that is scary
  314. # [03:37] <voogzy> but it gona take a while :(
  315. # [03:37] <voogzy> shit loads of things to do
  316. # [03:38] <Agamemnus> yep
  317. # [03:38] <Agamemnus> just take it 1 step at a time
  318. # [03:38] <voogzy> just rolled myself a big joint and it's 3:30 in the morning here :)
  319. # [03:38] <Agamemnus> try not to over-reach
  320. # [03:38] <voogzy> wictory joint i call it ;)
  321. # [03:38] <Agamemnus> or you'll get stuck
  322. # [03:38] <voogzy> victory
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  324. # [03:38] <voogzy> i made the flying bottle and killing police work just before :)
  325. # [03:38] <voogzy> bottles*
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  328. # [03:40] <Agamemnus> i'm not sure I understand
  329. # [03:40] <Agamemnus> i thought you said your friend made it
  330. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> ??
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  332. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> or is that YOUR work
  333. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> oh
  334. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> I see
  335. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> you hired someone to duplicate your pictures on canvas
  336. # [03:41] <Agamemnus> man sometimes I feel like I'm stoned.
  337. # [03:42] <voogzy> oh that LoL
  338. # [03:42] <voogzy> sory :>
  339. # [03:42] <voogzy> the art is my friends
  340. # [03:42] <voogzy> i programmed the flying bottles in the game i showed you before :)
  341. # [03:42] <voogzy> what your drunk units throw at the police :)
  342. # [03:42] <voogzy> different game
  343. # [03:42] <voogzy> victor for that :)
  344. # [03:42] <voogzy> a little reward ;)
  345. # [03:44] <Agamemnus> ohhh
  346. # [03:44] <voogzy> ahh I'd kill to hae his drawing skils :(
  347. # [03:44] <voogzy> i suck at design and that sort of stuff
  348. # [03:44] <voogzy> as you can see in the game :)))
  349. # [03:44] <Agamemnus> i think your gui is pretty good
  350. # [03:44] <Agamemnus> :)
  351. # [03:44] <voogzy> it's ugly
  352. # [03:44] <voogzy> the layout i like
  353. # [03:44] <Agamemnus> it's perfect really
  354. # [03:45] <voogzy> but colors and buttons and such :)
  355. # [03:45] <voogzy> are bad
  356. # [03:45] <voogzy> it looks horible :)
  357. # [03:45] <voogzy> it's usefull
  358. # [03:45] <voogzy> but ugly :))
  359. # [03:46] <voogzy> oh and if you click on the top bar
  360. # [03:46] <voogzy> where the life and money are shown
  361. # [03:46] <voogzy> that pauses the game and shows you a menu
  362. # [03:46] <voogzy> kind of neat that it's all less that 500 lines of code
  363. # [03:46] <voogzy> the whole animations engine and everything
  364. # [03:46] <Agamemnus> needs to be centered
  365. # [03:47] <voogzy> centered?
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  367. # [03:48] <Agamemnus> menu
  368. # [03:48] <voogzy> hahaha
  369. # [03:48] <voogzy> yeah ofc :)))))
  370. # [03:48] <voogzy> you mad now ha :))
  371. # [03:48] <Agamemnus> s' fine
  372. # [03:49] <Agamemnus> is this england?
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  374. # [03:49] <Agamemnus> the police only have batons
  375. # [03:49] <voogzy> :)))
  376. # [03:49] <Agamemnus> so the beers knock them out
  377. # [03:49] <voogzy> this police will shoot guns
  378. # [03:49] <voogzy> but i have to smoke my joint first
  379. # [03:49] <voogzy> and then a couple of hours of coding and photoshop :)
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  381. # [03:49] <Agamemnus> i have one guy blocking them all
  382. # [03:50] <Agamemnus> they're all in a line waiting to get hit
  383. # [03:50] <voogzy> yeah i know
  384. # [03:50] <Agamemnus> on the first intersection
  385. # [03:50] <voogzy> hehe
  386. # [03:50] <voogzy> coz they pussies
  387. # [03:50] <voogzy> dont shoot back
  388. # [03:50] <Agamemnus> they got to him somehow
  389. # [03:50] <Agamemnus> or maybe he got bored
  390. # [03:51] <DeltaHeavy> If I want a website to be available to a wide audience, mostly you're average joe who's not too great on the computer, should I be using things like <footer> tags?
  391. # [03:51] <DeltaHeavy> <article> <nav> etc
  392. # [03:51] <voogzy> DeltaHeavy probably yes for the search engines to show it to more peoples
  393. # [03:52] <voogzy> but the design wise its all the same if you use divs :>
  394. # [03:52] <voogzy> you shuld
  395. # [03:52] <voogzy> should
  396. # [03:52] <voogzy> my oppinion anyway :>
  397. # [03:52] <DeltaHeavy> If my <footer> is very simple, and just has a logo should I still declare it as a footer? It contains no footer data.
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  399. # [03:52] <sunbeam> I have this simple code to open and close a sub ul
  400. # [03:52] <DeltaHeavy> Yeah, I try to be as semantical as I can with my HTML.
  401. # [03:53] <sunbeam> http://pastebin.com/QAzsfbE5
  402. # [03:53] <sunbeam> any idea what I do wrong?
  403. # [03:53] <sunbeam> it only works once
  404. # [03:55] <voogzy> cou you're using .click
  405. # [03:55] <voogzy> ulse .live(click,function(){ your code });
  406. # [03:55] <voogzy> you dinamicly add or remove elements
  407. # [03:56] <voogzy> then you have to use live to set events to trigger on dynamicly added elements
  408. # [03:56] <voogzy> sunbeam understand what i mean?
  409. # [03:59] <Agamemnus> night
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  412. # [04:03] <sunbeam> yes voogzy
  413. # [04:03] <sunbeam> thanks
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  426. # [04:31] <zettam> Hello channel,
  427. # [04:31] <zettam> one question about JS --
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  429. # [04:31] <zettam> why do we need to "break" the case =
  430. # [04:31] <zettam> ?
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  465. # [05:22] <zettam> anyone using sublime ?
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  468. # [05:25] <zettam> I'm trying to activate autocomplete for javascript
  469. # [05:25] <zettam> couldn't suceed so far
  470. # [05:25] <zettam> if anyone is using sublime - give me a hand for god's sake
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  944. # [17:18] <netflatron> please, the attribute "id" inside <input> tag is a optional?
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  947. # [17:19] <Jon47> netflatron: yes
  948. # [17:19] <netflatron> Jon47: thank you ;)
  949. # [17:19] <Jon47> coupla good reasons to use it: you need to query the DOM to get a handle for that element (id selectors are as fast as it gets)
  950. # [17:20] <Jon47> also, you have a label tag that is not a parent of the input btu which you still want to associate to that input (id can be used to make that relationship)
  951. # [17:20] <Jon47> that's all i can think of right now
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  953. # [17:21] <netflatron> Jon47: cool.. was very explanatory... thanks
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  957. # [17:24] <onr> doesn't clipboard API work on Firefox?
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  979. # [17:41] <Moo^_^> onr: it has different security assertations than Chrome
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  1008. # [18:12] <onr> Moo^_^: is there a workaround?
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  1015. # [18:29] <onr> it seems this guy solved the issue http://pasteboard.co/
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  1272. # [23:53] <lontrax> please exists, autocomplete="off" for inputs type like: radio and checkbox?
  1273. # [23:54] <Moo^_^> lontrax: which browser? are you sure it's caused on the client side?
  1274. # [23:55] <Moo^_^> sounds strange behavior
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  1276. # [23:56] <lontrax> local test for google chrome..
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  1278. # [23:56] <lontrax> I'm not sure if it is possible...
  1279. # [23:57] <lontrax> autocomplete="off" for inputs lyke: radio and checkbox
  1280. # [23:57] <lontrax> and... if it is necessary...
  1281. # [23:57] <lontrax> :/
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  1284. # Session Close: Fri Nov 09 00:00:00 2012

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